DT Player Measurables

JeffInDC · Jan 8, 2020

Folks, I know we're knee deep into the new Coaching Staff hires and whether we like them or not, but I decided to take a slight detour for a second. The discussion about the "Big DT's" got me wondering what is everyone's desired size/weight/arm length/etc. for a Big DT. For me, as much as I love the Ted Washington's of the past (the GIANT 6'5", 350+ guy), I prefer the shorter, squatty Casey Hampton/Gilbert Brown-type (6'1"-6'2", 325+ PREFERABLY with at least 32" arm length). Why? I was always told that when it comes to line play, low man usually wins. Just seems like the shorter guys never have as many leverage issues as the taller guys. Just my 2 cents. Skewer away...…………………….

Rajveer · Jan 8, 2020

Raekwon Davis Alabama 6 7", 312 lbs, should be available to us when we pick during the draft. Also if not him, I would go safety with Xavier Mckinney 6'1" 200lbs.

USArmyVet · Jan 8, 2020

Dallas Cowboys DT's:

Maliek Collins 6' 2" 308 pounds
Antwaun Woods 6' 1" 318 pounds
Trysten Hill 6' 3" 308 pounds
Daniel Ross 6' 3" 305 pounds
Tyrone Crawford 6' 4" 290 pounds

Height and weight according to Dallas Cowboys site. Simply put, Dallas lacks any true behemoth DT on the DL. In my $.02 opinion what they need are 2 DT's that stand anywhere from 6' 1" to 6' 4" and weight anywhere from 320 pounds to 340 pounds. Get some immovable wall types in the middle to force the opposing C and G's to occupy the middle allowing the LDE and RDE to go one on one with opposing T's.

Carson · Jan 8, 2020

Danny Shelton would be awesome here. I know he’s more a 3-4 NT, but he would be awesome to pair next to Quinn or Woods

LatinMind · Jan 8, 2020

quinn isnt going to be in Dallas.

USArmyVet · Jan 8, 2020

SeanLee50 said:
Danny Shelton would be awesome here. I know he’s more a 3-4 NT, but he would be awesome to pair next to Quinn or Woods

Danny Shelton 6' 2" 344 pounds

2019 NE 61 tackles 3 sacks 1 FF
2018 NE 21 tackles

He is an UFA in 2020 so unless NE applies some sort of compensation tag, Dallas should look at bringing him in as he is a 26 year old space eater that could help the Dallas DL. While he played the NT in NE's 3-4 defense, he could play the RDT position on the Dallas DL while Maliek Collins continues to play the LDT role (provided he is resigned).

Also, if he declares for the draft, Florida DT Tedarrell Slaton stands 6' 4" 343 pounds and projects as a 2nd to 3rd round prospect.

JeffInDC · Jan 8, 2020

I guess my hope is that Nolan wants to create a DL more in tune with the Ravens model from their MONSTER D from the 2000 squad - 2 road blocks that make it almost impossible to run inside, thus funneling everything out to the edges to hopefully speedy edge players THAT CAN TACKLE!!!!!!!!!

Future · Jan 8, 2020

SeanLee50 said:
Danny Shelton would be awesome here. I know he’s more a 3-4 NT, but he would be awesome to pair next to Quinn or Woods

This logic is so funny to me.

Not from you, necessarily, but how many folks on this board have complained about the run D because of the Rams playoff game? Tennesee just killed the Patriots on the ground, with no passing game, and guess who was sitting there in the middle all day. Danny Shelton.

Pure run-stopping DTs don't matter in the NFL. They just don't.

Carson · Jan 8, 2020

Future said:
This logic is so funny to me.

Not from you, necessarily, but how many folks on this board have complained about the run D because of the Rams playoff game? Tennesee just killed the Patriots on the ground, with no passing game, and guess who was sitting there in the middle all day. Danny Shelton.

Pure run-stopping DTs don't matter in the NFL. They just don't.

We haven’t had a fat slob in the middle in years. Why are you out here crushing hopes and dreams lol!

USArmyVet · Jan 8, 2020

Future said:
This logic is so funny to me.

Not from you, necessarily, but how many folks on this board have complained about the run D because of the Rams playoff game? Tennesee just killed the Patriots on the ground, with no passing game, and guess who was sitting there in the middle all day. Danny Shelton.

Pure run-stopping DTs don't matter in the NFL. They just don't.

NE runs a 3-4 defense and many of their defensive players are getting older. You can't put it all on Shelton.

Future · Jan 8, 2020

USArmyVet said:
NE runs a 3-4 defense and many of their defensive players are getting older. You can't put it all on Shelton.

I'm not putting it all on him. But we also can't act like the Cowboys' run game struggles (exaggerated as they are) can be put all on the DTs either.

LatinMind · Jan 8, 2020

Future said:
I'm not putting it all on him. But we also can't act like the Cowboys' run game struggles (exaggerated as they are) can be put all on the DTs either.

The run game problems had to do with scheme. A patient RB would simply run behind the over-aggressive DTs running wide. Leaving LBers open for interior OL blocks. Anybody doubts this go back and view every game where Dallas gave up big yrds on the ground and you will see this through the whole game.

Future · Jan 8, 2020

LatinMind said:
The run game problems had to do with scheme. A patient RB would simply run behind the over-aggressive DTs running wide. Leaving LBers open for interior OL blocks. Anybody doubts this go back and view every game where Dallas gave up big yrds on the ground and you will see this through the whole game.

Scheme was part of it, sure. Thought I think the fact that none of the LBs can stack and shed is a bigger problem.

But regardless, the point is that how heavy our DTs are isn't the problem.

Kaiser · Jan 8, 2020

USArmyVet said:
Maliek Collins 6' 2" 308 pounds
Antwaun Woods 6' 1" 318 pounds
Trysten Hill 6' 3" 308 pounds
Daniel Ross 6' 3" 305 pounds
Tyrone Crawford 6' 4" 290 pounds

Yes and No, those are the training camp listed weights that aren't accurate. Woods is 330 already, when he signed from the Titans the team made him lose 20 pounds before they would let him on the field. Collins and Hill are probably closer to 320 than 300.

Ross was on IR all year and Crawford was a swing player who played as much DE as DT.

LatinMind · Jan 8, 2020

Future said:
Scheme was part of it, sure. Thought I think the fact that none of the LBs can stack and shed is a bigger problem.

But regardless, the point is that how heavy our DTs are isn't the problem.

When you have a Scheme where more often then not you had the DTs being washed by being over-aggressive with the middle of the field open and 1 defender the MIKE there to stop and you have 2 and 3 free OL thats a losing situation. Dont take my word for it just go watch and you see this consistently in these games where Dallas gave up alot of yrds. It just takes a RB thats patient and has the vision. Not too many RBs can do this in todays game.

Dallas is a really good run stopping defense. Theres just some teams usually the teams with Athletic OL and a Quick RB that take advantage of this flaw. So when it did happen it looked really bad

Ekspozed · Jan 8, 2020

Future said:
Scheme was part of it, sure. Thought I think the fact that none of the LBs can stack and shed is a bigger problem.

But regardless, the point is that how heavy our DTs are isn't the problem.

Hall of famer Ray Lewis preferred and played better throughout his career with a bigger DT in the middle to occupy blocks.

It's not easy to win every matchup when you're 80 lbs lighter than the guards running at you with a full head of steam with the rb right behind them because our dt took themselves out of the play.

USArmyVet · Jan 8, 2020

Future said:
I'm not putting it all on him. But we also can't act like the Cowboys' run game struggles (exaggerated as they are) can be put all on the DTs either.

Exaggerated run game struggles????

The Dallas defense gave up over 100 yards rushing in 11 of 16 games; they gave up 1,656 yards rushing in 16 games for a per game average of 103.5 yards; they gave up an average of 4.1 yards per carry.

Those are not imagined stats but factual ones which point to one conclusion: the Dallas rushing defense was a major problem last season and changes need to happen.

conner01 · Jan 8, 2020

LatinMind said:
quinn isnt going to be in Dallas.

Hope you are wrong
We have needs at DT and DB
I’m hoping we have the edge covered

Future · Jan 8, 2020

USArmyVet said:
Exaggerated run game struggles????

The Dallas defense gave up over 100 yards rushing in 11 of 16 games; they gave up 1,656 yards rushing in 16 games for a per game average of 103.5 yards; they gave up an average of 4.1 yards per carry.

Those are not imagined stats but factual ones which point to one conclusion: the Dallas rushing defense was a major problem last season and changes need to happen.

4.1 was 8th in the league.

Yes, they are exaggerated.

That 100 yard number is beyond meaningless.

Future · Jan 8, 2020

Ekspozed said:
Hall of famer Ray Lewis preferred and played better throughout his career with a bigger DT in the middle to occupy blocks.

It's not easy to win every matchup when you're 80 lbs lighter than the guards running at you with a full head of steam with the rb right behind them because our dt took themselves out of the play.

Every LBer does. Doesn't mean it's the best way to build a defense.

And Ray Lewis didn't play in this league. Pass rush is 4000x more important than stopping the run.

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