Would you be happy if Mike McCarthy turned out like Andy Reid?

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Since both of them are offensive gurus and had 13 year stays in their first stops, would you be happy if Mike McCarthy turned out like Andy Reid: Many more years in second job, in the playoffs every year with a chance to win it, relevant for his entire tenure but never winning a Super Bowl until, maybe, later in his tenure?
 

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Since both of them are offensive gurus and had 13 year stays in their first stops, would you be happy if Mike McCarthy turned out like Andy Reid: Many more years in second job, in the playoffs every year with a chance to win it, relevant for his entire tenure but never winning a Super Bowl until, maybe, later in his tenure?
Any progress instead of this stale mediocracy will be a lot better to watch
 

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Well, to be honest we can’t really tell is McCarthy is an offensive guru or not, because his offense got stale and he never exploited match-ups per guys like Greg Jennings. Jennings played in GB until 2012 and he said this issue was around then. The issues didn’t just surface per Jennings in Rodgers later years.

He also said McVarthy would most likely improve the Cowboys though and he was optimistic about the video of how he was trying to hone his skills.

Reid has and is innovative offensively. And Jennings himself used Reid as the example saying Reid was special.

 

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Win the big one or bust as far as i know they don't give trophies for second place.
I don't like the concept of almost there and never arrive
 

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Offensive guru? :lmao2:

Aaron Rogers is an offensive guru, not BigMac.
 

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Since both of them are offensive gurus and had 13 year stays in their first stops, would you be happy if Mike McCarthy turned out like Andy Reid: Many more years in second job, in the playoffs every year with a chance to win it, relevant for his entire tenure but never winning a Super Bowl until, maybe, later in his tenure?
I'd be ecstatic if MM can turn Dak into Patrick Mahomes-like.
 

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Andy Reid is a great offensive coach. He made McNabb think he should be a hall of famer. Reid might have actually won a Super Bowl if he didn't have McNabb dragging him down. I also think personal issues brought Reid's time in Philly to an end. That being said, it takes a good defense to win a championship, too, and that is something Andy Reid never really cultivated.
 

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Everyone wants to win the Super Bowl, and that’s the goal for every employee and fan every year, but EXPECTING to win one is silly. It’s very difficult and requires a certain amount of luck, along with talent and coaching, etc. There are still teams that have never won a SB and a minority of coaches in the NFL that have won one.
 

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i'm hoping McCarthy becomes even better than Andy Reid is using the run game to his advantage far more successfully.
it's often seems like an abandonment with Reid as it seems like its all placed on Pat Mahomes, ..and he's throwing 50 times, and taking a lot of pops and licks in the process,
and that's gonna be too much a toll on him come Baltimore-playoff time.
it does seem Reid is finally getting a much more competitive enough defense to better his Chiefs chances.

another thing to note is the Andy Reid coaching tree that will see assistants turn HC's - Matt Nagy, maybe eventually Eric Bienemy, etc.
Dunno if McCarthy has such a coaching tree.
 

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Well, to be honest we can’t really tell is McCarthy is an offensive guru or not, because his offense got stale and he never exploited match-ups per guys like Greg Jennings. Jennings played in GB until 2012 and he said this issue was around then. The issues didn’t just surface per Jennings in Rodgers later years.

He also said McVarthy would most likely improve the Cowboys though and he was optimistic about the video of how he was trying to hone his skills.

Reid has and is innovative offensively. And Jennings himself used Reid as the example saying Reid was special.



Except you forgot to also cherry pick the Eagles fans saying Reid was stale before he was fired and they moved on to Chip Kelly.
 

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Since both of them are offensive gurus and had 13 year stays in their first stops, would you be happy if Mike McCarthy turned out like Andy Reid: Many more years in second job, in the playoffs every year with a chance to win it, relevant for his entire tenure but never winning a Super Bowl until, maybe, later in his tenure?
Obviously it would eventually be frustrating if we never won the Super Bowl, but otherwise I would be thrilled if he coached well enough where we were real contenders almost every year.
 

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A big part of what Andy does is because of his QB
The kid is a magician
I expect more pre snap motion, some rpo to still be there. I expect more RB involved in passing game and more crossing routes as opposed to just deep sideline routes
I don’t think this will be the offense he ran in GB but a more modern version
He’s not Andy Reid in the wild play designs but he’s got one thing Andy has yet to get, a ring
 

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Found this.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...rthy-is-what-a-lot-of-nfl-teams-want-and-need

Great news, fans of beleaguered and befuddled NFL franchises! There's a hot new coaching candidate on the scene with a resume to drool over: a Super Bowl ring, a 125-77-2 career record, nine playoff appearances, a 15-1 season and experience developing a future Hall of Fame quarterback.

You probably guessed the bad news: His name is Mike McCarthy, and most football fans currently hate him.

The Packers didn't merely fire McCarthy on Sunday. They unceremoniously dumped him after the game like a security guard caught sleeping at his post.

Players have tuned McCarthy out all season (see: former Packers rogue kick returner turned Ravens option tailback Ty Montgomery). Aaron Rodgers spoke of McCarthy's game plans like they were used to line the rim of a toilet seat, and he has played like he was shrugging them off and doing his own thing for years.

McCarthy's Packers are 11-18-1 over the last two seasons and haven't beaten a truly good team since Rodgers engineered a 20-point comeback on a bad leg against the Bears in the season opener.

So, who is desperate enough to want to hire McCarthy as a head coach?

Just about every team in the league that needs one, of course.

McCarthy's job history is sparkling, so long as you concentrate on the big picture and ignore the fact that the Packers have been running the same five plays over and over since 2015. A portfolio like McCarthy's would get an interview in any industry, let alone the tightly knit football coaching circle.

NFL decision-makers are the types of men who sit down in trendy Italian bistros with Michelin-rated chefs and order veal parmesan over linguine. They love big steaming heaps of comforting familiarity, and words like "proven" and "experience" make their eyes roll back into their heads with satisfaction. Naturally, they'll gravitate toward a known commodity like McCarthy.


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Some fans in Green Bay made their feelings clear about the job they thought Mike McCarthy was doing with the Packers this season.Jeffrey Phelps/Associated Press


Also, there's precedent. A few years ago, another coach was fired after a similar run: lots of playoff success, the rise and decline of a fine quarterback, and some seasons near the end when his whole team ran out of ideas and energy. That coach was Andy Reid. He was unemployed for about 20 minutes after the Eagles canned him in 2012, and he's currently making offensive history with a Super Bowl contender and an MVP-candidate quarterback.

McCarthy could be a Reid. Or a Mike Holmgren, who left the Packers for a successful tenure in Seattle. Changing venues and starting over often jolts a long-tenured coach out of his complacency, forcing him to supplement what worked eight years ago with fresher ideas and tailor his message and methods to a new crop of players.

OK, fans of down-and-out teams, we hear you. You don't want McCarthy. You want the next Sean McVay, or the latest model to roll off Reid's genius-assistant assembly line.

Unfortunately, there aren't any Next McVays. NFL teams are terrible at identifying Next McVays for the reasons mentioned above: They are too enamored with reheating leftovers like Brian Daboll. And there are so many Reid assistants working as head coaches right now that the law of diminishing returns is due to kick in.

There's a shortage of great offensive minds in the NFL. That means that McCarthy will not only get lots of interviews once the coaching carousel officially begins spinning, but he's a good fit for several teams in need of a head coach...............................
 

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Found this.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...rthy-is-what-a-lot-of-nfl-teams-want-and-need

Great news, fans of beleaguered and befuddled NFL franchises! There's a hot new coaching candidate on the scene with a resume to drool over: a Super Bowl ring, a 125-77-2 career record, nine playoff appearances, a 15-1 season and experience developing a future Hall of Fame quarterback.

You probably guessed the bad news: His name is Mike McCarthy, and most football fans currently hate him.

The Packers didn't merely fire McCarthy on Sunday. They unceremoniously dumped him after the game like a security guard caught sleeping at his post.

Players have tuned McCarthy out all season (see: former Packers rogue kick returner turned Ravens option tailback Ty Montgomery). Aaron Rodgers spoke of McCarthy's game plans like they were used to line the rim of a toilet seat, and he has played like he was shrugging them off and doing his own thing for years.

McCarthy's Packers are 11-18-1 over the last two seasons and haven't beaten a truly good team since Rodgers engineered a 20-point comeback on a bad leg against the Bears in the season opener.

So, who is desperate enough to want to hire McCarthy as a head coach?

Just about every team in the league that needs one, of course.

McCarthy's job history is sparkling, so long as you concentrate on the big picture and ignore the fact that the Packers have been running the same five plays over and over since 2015. A portfolio like McCarthy's would get an interview in any industry, let alone the tightly knit football coaching circle.

NFL decision-makers are the types of men who sit down in trendy Italian bistros with Michelin-rated chefs and order veal parmesan over linguine. They love big steaming heaps of comforting familiarity, and words like "proven" and "experience" make their eyes roll back into their heads with satisfaction. Naturally, they'll gravitate toward a known commodity like McCarthy.


5be76fc6acbb8ed6f4408fae656c135e_crop_exact.jpg

Some fans in Green Bay made their feelings clear about the job they thought Mike McCarthy was doing with the Packers this season.Jeffrey Phelps/Associated Press


Also, there's precedent. A few years ago, another coach was fired after a similar run: lots of playoff success, the rise and decline of a fine quarterback, and some seasons near the end when his whole team ran out of ideas and energy. That coach was Andy Reid. He was unemployed for about 20 minutes after the Eagles canned him in 2012, and he's currently making offensive history with a Super Bowl contender and an MVP-candidate quarterback.

McCarthy could be a Reid. Or a Mike Holmgren, who left the Packers for a successful tenure in Seattle. Changing venues and starting over often jolts a long-tenured coach out of his complacency, forcing him to supplement what worked eight years ago with fresher ideas and tailor his message and methods to a new crop of players.

OK, fans of down-and-out teams, we hear you. You don't want McCarthy. You want the next Sean McVay, or the latest model to roll off Reid's genius-assistant assembly line.

Unfortunately, there aren't any Next McVays. NFL teams are terrible at identifying Next McVays for the reasons mentioned above: They are too enamored with reheating leftovers like Brian Daboll. And there are so many Reid assistants working as head coaches right now that the law of diminishing returns is due to kick in.

There's a shortage of great offensive minds in the NFL. That means that McCarthy will not only get lots of interviews once the coaching carousel officially begins spinning, but he's a good fit for several teams in need of a head coach...............................


Thats scary. I suspect that is why he wants to keep Moore as offensive coordinator.
 
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