Tyron's health and plan B at LT

fivetwos · Jan 11, 2020

Not sure how much longer Tyrons back holds up.

Fleming is probably the back up option for the coming season in the event of injury, but I wouldn't think he would be a plan for a starting LT if Smith decides to retire before this season or next.....

Is Collins a LT in this league, or would we look for a replacement?

I've heard many of you say Williams is not a G. Is he a T? Did he play LT at Texas?

McGovern projects as a starting LG, and we are set at RG and C.

Would Collins at LT and Williams at RT work....capability wise that is? Obviously Tyron is the best solution but his body may have other ideas.

MysteryIceGuro · Jan 11, 2020

We might need to do some moving around. Fleming is NOT the future if Tyron continues to break down. We should keep Looney. Put McGovern at LG. If Tyron goes down, try Looney there or even Williams. I know they’d be playing at out position, but they have enough skills and strength to outplay Fleming IMO.

Or, we could draft someone, but personally, we need to spend the next draft all on defense (besides TE) because we have work to do. Also maybe a QB, but maybe we’ll hold off on getting a QB til 2021 if Dak rocks the kasbah again.

AbeBeta · Jan 11, 2020

AmariChill said:
We might need to do some moving around. Fleming is NOT the future if Tyron continues to break down. We should keep Looney. Put McGovern at LG. If Tyron goes down, try Looney there or even Williams. I know they’d be playing at out position, but they have enough skills and strength to outplay Fleming IMO.

Or, we could draft someone, but personally, we need to spend the next draft all on defense (besides TE) because we have work to do. Also maybe a QB, but maybe we’ll hold off on getting a QB til 2021 if Dak rocks the kasbah again.

Looney at LT?

Good lord.

MysteryIceGuro · Jan 11, 2020

AbeBeta said:
Looney at LT?

Good lord.

Better than Cam “I get destroyed every time I’m on field” Fleming. I’m not a Dak fan, but Dak was getting killed on almost every play during the Jets game when Tyron was out. Dak literally almost got a concussion on the 1st or 2nd drive of the game because of him.

starfan1 · Jan 11, 2020

fivetwos said:
Not sure how much longer Tyrons back holds up.

Fleming is probably the back up option for the coming season in the event of injury, but I wouldn't think he would be a plan for a starting LT if Smith decides to retire before this season or next.....

Is Collins a LT in this league, or would we look for a replacement?

I've heard many of you say Williams is not a G. Is he a T? Did he play LT at Texas?

McGovern projects as a starting LG, and we are set at RG and C.

Would Collins at LT and Williams at RT work....capability wise that is? Obviously Tyron is the best solution but his body may have other ideas.

Stats say Tyron is still top 5 but stats can be misleading
His body is a concern but no one can deny he’s a freak of nature and will try and power through regardless of his body condition

the cowboys would be smart to prepare for a future LT and if he gets healthy it’s a bonus but he has shown that his injuries are making him less than what he was even though him in injured state is still better than most

I’m not down with moving Collins I’d like to see what McGovern brings to the table

fivetwos · Jan 11, 2020

Wondering really if anyone thinks Collins or Williams is a left tackle.

We really cant afford to be using a high pick on one, and you dont want a low rounder protecting the franchises blind side.

And they are cost prohibitive in UFA, if available at all.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 11, 2020

AmariChill said:
Better than Cam “I get destroyed every time I’m on field” Fleming. I’m not a Dak fan, but Dak was getting killed on almost every play during the Jets game when Tyron was out. Dak literally almost got a concussion on the 1st or 2nd drive of the game because of him.

Naw man....Fleming is a solid swing tackle. Looney spells danger there. He’s not a tackle.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 11, 2020

fivetwos said:
Wondering really if anyone thinks Collins or Williams is a left tackle.

We really cant afford to be using a high pick on one, and you dont want a low rounder protecting the franchises blind side.

And they are cost prohibitive in UFA, if available at all.

They way they locked up Collins leads me to believe he may be a viable option there in their eyes. I can’t see them locking him up like that just for the right tackle spot but you never know.

blueblood70 · Jan 11, 2020

AbeBeta said:
Looney at LT?

Good lord.

right that was my first thought..no way :facepalm:

yes Cwill could be an experiment there and maybe in camp we try and make Looney, Xavier or McGovern th stsrter at LG and depth..so that leaves Tackle for Cwill.. its nice we have new staff with new set of eyes and they might find Cwill is better at tackle.. maybe Cwill RT and move LC to left..

however on the OP way premature he missed 3 games this year and for the most part played very well..so hes not going anywhere yet.. :popcorn:

USArmyVet · Jan 11, 2020

Tyron is 29 years old but has taken a beating over the years considering he has been the Dallas LT for 9 years now. He missed only 1 game due to injury from 2011-2015, playing in 79 of 80 games. However, from 2016-2019 he has missed 12 games due to injury, playing in 52 of 64 games. He has missed 3 games each of the last 4 seasons and clearly is starting to trend downward in spite of his perceived rankings while he plays.

While Smith's sacks allowed has gone down from 28 in years 2011-2015 to just 6 from 2016-2019, his penalties have gone up from 37 in years 2011-2015 to 31 in years 2016-2019.

Looking at his contract status, here is what is left:

2020 Cap Hit $13.545M Dead Money $5.29M

2021 Cap Hit $12.245M Dead Money $1.745M

2022 Cap Hit $13.5M Dead Money $0

2023 Cap Hit $13.6M Dead Money $0

While Dallas lacks a current 'Plan B' to replace Smith at LT heading into the 2020 season, they need to figure something out soon as he will continue to break down while not having a lot of dead cap penalty in trading/releasing him.

John813 · Jan 11, 2020

*Not proclaiming Hyatt is the long term answer, but was curious to see them "protect" him late in the season.

Maybe he can compete with Knight for future swing tackle for a short term fill in for Smith if he's injured for a bit.

Assume the staff thinks about this as well, but as long as Smith plays at a high level and only misses a few games a year I doubt they put LT in the top 3 for must haves from the draft/FA

fivetwos · Jan 11, 2020

John813 said:
*Not proclaiming Hyatt is the long term answer, but was curious to see them "protect" him late in the season.

Maybe he can compete with Knight for future swing tackle for a short term fill in for Smith if he's injured for a bit.

Assume the staff thinks about this as well, but as long as Smith plays at a high level and only misses a few games a year I doubt they put LT in the top 3 for must haves from the draft/FA

Right, and they probably can't afford to invest heavily (premium pick, UFA) in his replacement, so I was wondering if his replacement may be on the roster.

I agree and hope Tyron continues for several more years, but a nagging back issue can be tough when you're financially set.

I'd say one or two more seasons for him unfortunately.

Whyjerry · Jan 11, 2020

If the guy can’t play move on. I am tired about hearing how bad Smith’s back is. If he can’t play 16 move on. For too long the team has been held hostage by these types. Shift Collins over and try to salvage Willians. He can’t play guard anyway.

jay94 · Jan 11, 2020

starfan1 said:
Stats say Tyron is still top 5 but stats can be misleading
His body is a concern but no one can deny he’s a freak of nature and will try and power through regardless of his body condition

the cowboys would be smart to prepare for a future LT and if he gets healthy it’s a bonus but he has shown that his injuries are making him less than what he was even though him in injured state is still better than most

I’m not down with moving Collins I’d like to see what McGovern brings to the table

We also have very good/elite players retiring early due to the amount of injuries, I have to imagine if this keeps up he will too. I can't blame him too, he still has 30-50 years post football, and I think being able to move on your own becomes the priority.

Kareemovweet · Jan 11, 2020

I say let him go or move him to RT and get Trent WIlliams from the Skins to play left...

MWH1967 · Jan 11, 2020

Kareemovweet said:
I say let him go or move him to RT and get Trent WIlliams from the Skins to play left...

O-tay

Soth · Jan 11, 2020

USArmyVet said:
He has missed 3 games each of the last 4 seasons and clearly is starting to trend downward in spite of his perceived rankings while he plays.

While Smith's sacks allowed has gone down from 28 in years 2011-2015 to just 6 from 2016-2019, his penalties have gone up from 37 in years 2011-2015 to 31 in years 2016-2019.

Replacing Tyron will be expensive and we have a ton of other holes on defense. I can live with him missing 3 games a year, we just need to make sure we have a solid backup. When he is on the field he is pretty solid. I don't see him getting beat that often. I think we just need to live with his injuries for now while we improve other areas.

Also, we complain a lot about other divas on the team and lazy players. Tyron has excellent work ethic and never complains. He tries to be the best at his position and does not give the team any headaches. That is the type of player we should be trying to retain. He got paid and he is still giving us 100% effort. If he starts to miss more than 3 games a year then maybe we need to start to think about drafting an LT, but as I said above, good LT's are expensive (high draft pick or expensive FA).

Mr_437 · Jan 11, 2020

With McCarthy coming in this is the perfect time to switch LC to LT and Tyron to RT. Collins is reaching his prime, so he can handle those edge Rushers. Tyron can still dominate the guys at RDE when healthy.

Connor Williams should be moved also as the heir to Tyron at RT. Also, they have to see if Brandon Knight could turn into a decent backup...that would allow them to cut Fleming and save a little coin.

Re-sign Looney, XSF to compete with McGovern at LG.

conner01 · Jan 11, 2020

May be a bit early to write Tyron off
He may miss a couple games but he’s still one of the best
Knight looked like he might be an option at RT in the future
When smith is done you slide LC over and if knight does develope problem solved

phildadon86 · Jan 11, 2020

fivetwos said:
Not sure how much longer Tyrons back holds up.

Fleming is probably the back up option for the coming season in the event of injury, but I wouldn't think he would be a plan for a starting LT if Smith decides to retire before this season or next.....

Is Collins a LT in this league, or would we look for a replacement?

I've heard many of you say Williams is not a G. Is he a T? Did he play LT at Texas?

McGovern projects as a starting LG, and we are set at RG and C.

Would Collins at LT and Williams at RT work....capability wise that is? Obviously Tyron is the best solution but his body may have other ideas.

Maybe he has the same surgery dlaw had on his back. Seems it hasn’t been a problem since

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