Henry vs Zeke

JJHLH1 · Jan 12, 2020

Henry is better since he’s putting up huge numbers in the playoffs.

mattjames2010 · Jan 12, 2020

rocyaice said:
Not arguing for or against PFF. Just bringing up that when its used in arguments for Dak its considered a joke. Or when its used for players people dislike its considered a joke.

AHahhhhahh this is laughable.

So this is about being proven "right"? So you armchair GM's can feel good about yourself?

Its taken 4 years from you guys to be "proven right" lol.

Even though Zeke is the one who's on his way to being a 1st ballot Hall of Famer. Nobody would ever say that about Henry or Stanley at this point.

Stanley and Henry did what Zeke did his first year in the league.

Was the answer to draft a running back at #4 overall?No it wasn't. You could've used your resources far better. Hell I wouldn't have even used a 2nd rounder on a running back. I feel like you can get better value later on in the draft at that position.

You'd have to be a moron to use the #4 overall pick on a tackle when you already had a left tackle and you can also get a right tackle later on in the draft. Once again....this is about getting the most value.

So in regards who was proven "right"? No one.

They drafted Zeke to stretch out Romo's career. Romo got hurt before the season even started and career was over.
It took 4 years for Stanley to become the All Pro he's become. I need a better return with my #4 overall pick especially when I want to have as much value as I possibly can while I have you on a cheap deal.
It also took Henry 4 years to look like the All Pro that Zeke has been. Solid value for a 2nd round pick.
Took 4 years for Jalen Ramsey to be the ******* we all knew him to be to get traded.

So who truly was "proven right"? Seems like all of y'all were proven wrong.

Most drafts take a few years to prove GMs right. That's how it has always worked. I have already explained how locking up the LT and RT for years to come is far more valuable than taking a skill position. You're wanting to go in circles. Enough is enough now.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 12, 2020

mattjames2010 said:
Most drafts take a few years to prove GMs right. That's how it has always worked. I have already explained how locking up the LT and RT for years to come is far more valuable than taking a skill position. You're wanting to go in circles. Enough is enough now.

That's fine for you to say when it comes to Derrick Henry. I can wait a few years on a 2nd round running back. With my #4 overall pick I need immediate returns. Zeke gave that. Romo didn't have 3 or 4 years to wait for guys. Ramsey to his credit also came in and immediately had a All Pro like impact.

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Jan 12, 2020

rocyaice said:
Yeah we could’ve drafted that headache Jaylon Ramsey...wonder how that would’ve went lol.

This

kskboys · Jan 12, 2020

rocyaice said:
He wasn't the best back in the league this year but if its based on 2016? A lot of guys have come on gone. When he entered the league people said Johnson and Leveon were the best backs in the league. Then some felt Saquon, Kareem Hunt and Cook would be that....now its McCafferry and Henry...a lot of guys have entered and left this discussion but Zeke is still standing in that mix. No one can say that.

Awesome stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was going to say something like this. There have been a host of RB's people claimed were better than Zeke, and most have gone by the wayside.

mldardy · Jan 12, 2020

JJHLH1 said:
Henry is better since he’s putting up huge numbers in the playoffs.

No. Stupid logic.

quickccc · Jan 12, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
And to think we could have used the 4th pick in the draft on a more important position and taken Henry in the 2nd round?

Will Henry hold out for 16 million a year?

LOL ... ever the zeke player hater! ..... where were you when zeke was winning his own NFL titles ?

were you saying this when zeke was winning his own NFL titles ?

CalPolyTechnique · Jan 12, 2020

Cowboysheelsreds053 said:
This

Yes, Zeke’s been a model player.

Can we get a recount on how many off the field indiscretions and suspensions Zeke’s had in comparison to Ramsey?

Thanks for playing.

Tenkamenin · Jan 12, 2020

rocyaice said:
Yeah we could’ve drafted that headache Jaylon Ramsey...wonder how that would’ve went lol.

Ramsey and Henry would perform at a fraction of their ability under Garrett and Co's system. Spend time under Garrett's leadership, and he'll find a way to suck out your talent. Zeke was great his first year, but after a year under Garrett's direction, his play regressed, although still good. Give Randall Cobbs another year under Garrett, and watch his YPC decline 2 yards. Garrett sucked that much.....

Finally, we have a coach in McCarthy that will bring out the best out of our players.

Sydla · Jan 12, 2020

rocyaice said:
So you believe the best offensive line in the league at the time should've invested the 4th overall pick in a left tackle.......when they had a left tackle...so they could either move one of the best left tackles in the league who was 25 at the time to right tackle so Stanley can be their left tackle?

I'm just curious the logic behind investing a #4 overall pick into the best offensive line in the league when you had so many holes?

At that spot given the board? Yes. Or take Ramsey. Or shoot, take Buckner. Or trade the pick. All better options.

Taking a RB 4th was a waste of resources. I said it now, I still say it today.

Brooksey · Jan 12, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
And to think we could have used the 4th pick in the draft on a more important position and taken Henry in the 2nd round?

Will Henry hold out for 16 million a year?

He should, he's worth it. Nobody wants to tackle this guy lol

Sydla · Jan 12, 2020

rocyaice said:
That's moronic. Sorry. Yes, there's a argument to be made that drafting a running back with the #4 overall pick is moronic too.....definitely a argument for that but it is simply STUPID to invest a #4 overall pick into a right tackle until he can play left tackle once Tyron I guess is finished.

This team RARELY picks that high and the one time they get that high its not for a quarterback or defensive linemen....its for a left tackle who'd play right tackle for us until his rookie deal is up? Yeah that's stupid. Sorry.

If you want to say this team is stupid for passing up on Ramsey that's one thing. But adding Stanley to the argument is just reaching.

LOL. So adding an all pro OT is stupid?

You should quit before you saying something really silly.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 12, 2020

Sydla said:
At that spot given the board? Yes. Or take Ramsey. Or shoot, take Buckner. Or trade the pick. All better options.

Taking a RB 4th was a waste of resources. I said it now, I still say it today.

Well I don't disagree its a waste of resources. Buckner, Ramsey....all make more sense than a right tackle or running back. I'm not trading down though. No need to get cute if you have a #4 overall pick.

MarionBarberThe4th · Jan 12, 2020

What was Derrick Henry’s yards before contact? He had a Full head of steam on every play it seemed.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 12, 2020

Tenkamenin said:
Ramsey and Henry would perform at a fraction of their ability under Garrett and Co's system. Spend time under Garrett's leadership, and he'll find a way to suck out your talent. Zeke was great his first year, but after a year under Garrett's direction, his play regressed, although still good. Give Randall Cobbs another year under Garrett, and watch his YPC decline 2 yards. Garrett sucked that much.....

Finally, we have a coach in McCarthy that will bring out the best out of our players.

Trying to tell people man.......people can argue if Henry or Ramsey was the right pick but either way.....we know I wouldn't have mattered with the coaches here.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 12, 2020

Sydla said:
LOL. So adding an all pro OT is stupid?

You should quit before you saying something really silly.

Yeah its stupid. Like for instance if I had Russell Wilson and I decided to draft Pat Mahomes.....yeah I'm adding a All Pro QB but its STUPID. A STUPID luxury when I have holes all over my team. I don't need to use #4 overall to get a right tackle. I can get one in the 2nd or 3rd round.

kskboys said:
Awesome stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was going to say something like this. There have been a host of RB's people claimed were better than Zeke, and most have gone by the wayside.

Yep. And I forgot to add Todd Gurley. He was another. I never thought the day would come where I'd say Zeke is underrated but he definitely is.

hornitosmonster · Jan 12, 2020

Henry is the type of runner that goes boom then bust really quick. He is going to eat up some Tennessee cap space as well.

TheCoolFan · Jan 12, 2020

I wouldn't want either of them. Zeke got paid and Henry will be paid too (maybe not as much as Zeke but still a ton). I'm not into paying that much money for a RB. What Henry is doing in the playoffs is impressive but look at the other teams in the playoffs right now. They don't have an All-Pro, big contract RB and they're doing fine.

If you're building a team the right way, you spend money and high draft picks at other positions.

CalPolyTechnique · Jan 12, 2020

MarionBarberThe4th said:
What was Derrick Henry’s yards before contact? He had a Full head of steam on every play it seemed.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/rushing_advanced.htm

Henry 1.9 YBC
Zeke 2.3 YBC

Next theory please.

*Love the morons that “liked” the post before knowing the facts, smh

kskboys · Jan 12, 2020

MarionBarberThe4th said:
What was Derrick Henry’s yards before contact? He had a Full head of steam on every play it seemed.

Yeah, Henry has been an absolute beast this year and I see no reason to rain on his parade, but he's slow to the hole. His takeoff is slow. So, his runs must be schemed just right.

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