In the interest of balance, how low is rock-bottom or worst-case for McCarthy era?

_sturt_ said:

(I don't agree, but I'm willing to hear you out.)

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plasticman said:

McCarthy and the Cowboys start out 0-3 and 2-6 through the halfway point when Jerry fires him.

Or:

McCarthy resigns halfway through training camp citing "conflicts relating to my role and authority within the organization"

Worst case, right?

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_sturt_ said:

And/but I don't see anyone being fired after just two 8-8 seasons. If it's three in a row, much more plausible.

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_sturt_ said:

And what's your reasoning for thinking that?

(All things being equal, and so, assuming no disasterous phenomenons like Dak or Zeke being seriously injured or anything like that.)

a) Worse than Lovie Smith-like results

b) Lovie Smith-like results (rarely in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

c) Ron Rivera-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

d) Jason Garrett-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, occasionally considered a legit threat for SB)

e) Mike Tomlin-like results (routinely in the playoffs, occasionally considered a legit threat for SB)

f) Pete Carroll-like results (routinely in the playoffs, routinely considered a legit threat for SB)

g) Bill Belichick-like results (a constant legit threat for SB)

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_sturt_ said:

And what's your reasoning for thinking that?

(All things being equal, and so, assuming no disasterous phenomenons like Dak or Zeke being seriously injured or anything like that.)

a) Worse than Lovie Smith-like results

b) Lovie Smith-like results (rarely in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

c) Ron Rivera-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

d) Jason Garrett-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, occasionally considered a legit threat for SB)

e) Mike Tomlin-like results (routinely in the playoffs, occasionally considered a legit threat for SB)

f) Pete Carroll-like results (routinely in the playoffs, routinely considered a legit threat for SB)

g) Bill Belichick-like results (a constant legit threat for SB)

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_sturt_ said:

Think you're seriously underestimating just how south it can go for a McCarthy coached team.

His defenses routinely had been pedestrian over the course of his GB years. He's depended on offense.

And/but I don't see anyone being fired after just two 8-8 seasons. If it's three in a row, much more plausible.

Pick any of these 5 year sequences. Any one of them could be, worst-case, what we see from a McCarthy coached team over these next 5 years, imo...

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_sturt_ said:

And what's your reasoning for thinking that?

(All things being equal, and so, assuming no disasterous phenomenons like Dak or Zeke being seriously injured or anything like that.)

a) Worse than Lovie Smith-like results

b) Lovie Smith-like results (rarely in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

c) Ron Rivera-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

d) Jason Garrett-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, occasionally considered a legit threat for SB)

e) Mike Tomlin-like results (routinely in the playoffs, occasionally considered a legit threat for SB)

f) Pete Carroll-like results (routinely in the playoffs, routinely considered a legit threat for SB)

g) Bill Belichick-like results (a constant legit threat for SB)[/QUOTE

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Zman5 said:

Lovie Smith took his team to the SB. He won more playoff games than JG also. To imply he did worse than JG is incorrect.

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_sturt_ said:

I deliberately selected head coaches other than JG who did, indeed, make it to at least one SB.

Your point is beside the point of the OP... fine by me if you want to choose another head coach who RARELY made the playoffs and RARELY had teams that were considered legitimate threats to make the SB. But if you want to argue Lovie vs. Red, that's a different thread that you'll need to start.

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b) Lovie Smith-like results (rarely in the playoffs, rarely considered a legit threat for SB)

d) Jason Garrett-like results (occasionally in the playoffs, occasionally considered a legit threat for SB)

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Zman5 said:

I'm just pointing out your choice descriptions for Lovie's results and JG's results aren't correct.

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