Marvin Lewis recaps Cowboys interview

AbeBeta · Jan 12, 2020

Runwildboys said:
You can't create a standard, and that's the point. Each team and owner is different, with different needs that determine which candidate would be the best fit.

And that's exactly why you need to push interviewing someone you didn't initially consider. Otherwise you continue to hire the same sort of people over and over

garyo1954 · Jan 12, 2020

Staggerlee said:
So we should just accept it as fact of life rather than try to change it for the better? That's a weak attitude to have.

Am I in business to win football game, or am in business to create opportunities for minorities?

Reality bites you in the butt.

DallasEast · Jan 12, 2020

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Captain43Crash · Jan 12, 2020

Don Corleone said:
I’m a minority myself. How about hiring coaches based solely on their merits?

I agree! Kinda like the players!

stilltheguru · Jan 12, 2020

Don Corleone said:
I’m a minority myself. How about hiring coaches based solely on their merits?

does that happen? (looks at Jason Garrett) hmmmmmmmm you tell me

Captain43Crash · Jan 12, 2020

stilltheguru said:
does that happen? (looks at Jason Garrett) hmmmmmmmm you tell me

Yeah, Jerry wasted 10 years because he wanted to give his son-in-law an opportunity!

I think Jerry finally learned his lesson. Hence we now have McCarthy.

xwalker · Jan 12, 2020

AbeBeta said:
Simply have to make teams respect the spirit of the rule. You at least got to interview someone who hasn't been a NFL head coach. That's really the intent of the rule.

This is the 2nd time I recall us halfheartedly satisfying the rule. We phone interviewed Denny Green before we hired Parcells.

When we hired Garrett we respected the spirit of the rule by interviewing Todd Bowles. I recall us talking to both Rivera and Singletary before hiring Wade. Get new faces in the mix for jobs and they are going to gain a better understanding after each interview of how to better position themselves for a HC position. All these guys went on to get those jobs down the line.

GMO415 said:
Rooney Rule needs to be re examined. There should be some type of incentive for a team to hire a minority HC

Don Corleone said:
I’m a minority myself. How about hiring coaches based solely on their merits?

The benefit of the rule is to up and coming coaches to get recognition. Any assistant that interviews for the Head Coaching position with an NFL team gets a boost in recognition

As Abe said, it does not really help a guy like Marvin Lewis that has already been an HC. A team is not going to hire him because of the rule if they were not going to hire him without the rule.

Last year when Kris Richard interviewed for the Miami HC job, it could gave helped him in the future IF the Cowboys defense had been really good in 2019. The problem is that the Cowboys defense regressed in 2019 AND the fact that he was not officially the D-Coordinator made it unlikely he would get and HC job anyway.

It still could have helped Richard get a D-Coordinator job if the Cowboys D had a good season.

The only change to the rule should be that the coach has not been an NFL HC already.

xwalker · Jan 12, 2020

Runwildboys said:
I'd never really considered the point he made about potential coaches being someone the owners know, to a degree, and how important it is that they're in a position to get to know the owners, GMs, etc., in order to better their chances of being considered for a coaching position.

The Cowboys saw first hand when McCarthy repeatedly beat them that he out-coached Garrett.

xwalker · Jan 12, 2020

efh313 said:
Wonder if they asked him if he would be interested in being defensive coordinator, since he was already here?

That would be a bad fit..a coach that interviewed for the job working under the coach that got the job.

foofighters · Jan 12, 2020

GMO415 said:
Rooney Rule needs to be re examined. There should be some type of incentive for a team to hire a minority HC

I am a minority and just no. Nope. This rule insults me. "Gee, thanks for the token interview where I had no shot at all." No thanks, I want an interview where I have a chance and not because they have to. Then to make an incentive for hiring me? No, again. The incentive should be that by hiring me, they are getting the best candidate (which I believe I would be).

Runwildboys · Jan 12, 2020

xwalker said:
The Cowboys saw first hand when McCarthy repeatedly beat them that he out-coached Garrett.

Of course, but I was referring to Lewis's statement about people of color not being in position to network and get to be known by the powers that be within NFL organizations. (I'm wildly paraphrasing, but that's basically what he was saying.)

stilltheguru · Jan 12, 2020

Captain43Crash said:
Yeah, Jerry wasted 10 years because he wanted to give his son-in-law an opportunity!

I think Jerry finally learned his lesson. Hence we now have McCarthy.

Jason didnt get the job because he was qualified. Anybody stating otherwise is delusional and a liar.

SoupcanSam · Jan 12, 2020

lostar2009 said:
Actually his body of work show he did a good job down there.

He was another Garrett.

But I expect cowboy fans to be immune to mediocrity.

What else is new

lostar2009 · Jan 12, 2020

SoupcanSam said:
He was another Garrett.

But I expect cowboy fans to be immune to mediocrity.

What else is new

Bengals is a cheap franchise that was always in the playoffs mix. Like Garrett he never got to the championship game. They had to draft knuckle heads and sign last chance players to stay competitive. And sometimes it just blew up in their face.

CanadianCowboysFan · Jan 12, 2020

GMO415 said:
Rooney Rule needs to be re examined. There should be some type of incentive for a team to hire a minority HC

We are the only team whose adherence to that rule is scrutinized

big dog cowboy · Jan 12, 2020

ultron said:
I think his playoff record really hurts him when interviewing for new HC jobs, but if he had Aaron Rodgers as his QB we'd be having a different conversation about Marvin.

No we wouldn't!

Never watched the Bengals during his tenure did you?

He might be worse than Garrett.

xwalker · Jan 12, 2020

AbeBeta said:
I actually think the we won't see real change until we have it in the college ranks and at the coordinator level. Oregon uses the Rooney Rule for coaching hires at their state universities and it has produced better representation.

The NFL needs to look at coordinator hiring a bit more closely as well. The league does a good job with their minority coaching fellowships (over 100 interns take part in training camp and preseason - Phiilip Tanner, Leon Lett, and Gary Brown got their starts as interns). This program often results in guys hired for low level positions but there remains a lack of opportunity to advance.

Coordinator hires on our team demonstrate some real issues. We hired Keith O'Quinn to coordinate ST. His assistant, Carlos Polk has been an assistant ST coach for 11 years now. O'Quinn had far less experience yet he got the ST coordinator job.

People tended to get hired by the Cowboys because of the Cowboys familiarity with that person. O'Quinn had worked for the Cowboys for 12 years before taking the ST coaching job.

Assistant coaches (for most teams) are hired by the Head Coach. NFL Head Coaches want to win. They're going to hire the people they think will help them achieve that goal.

The NFL does not need Rooney type rules with regards to assistant coaches.

Owners often have a big input on hiring Head Coaches. Winning might not always be the top goal for owners (Getting credit was Jerry's top goal the past 25 years). It is possible that marketing, fan perception, and good ole boy issues affect owners decisions on hiring Head Coaches beyond the coaches qualifications to coach; therefore the Rooney Rule is much different with regards to Head Coaches.

Regardless, owners are not going to hire somebody they would not have hired without the rule but it does give the coaches interviewed visibility that they might not otherwise have received.

Maybe the tech industry needs a rule...

Flamma · Jan 12, 2020

GMO415 said:
Insulting but I'm sure they thought of it

More insulting than being interviewed as a formality?

lockster · Jan 12, 2020

GMO415 said:
Rooney Rule needs to be re examined. There should be some type of incentive for a team to hire a minority HC

Totally disagree with U. This is unconstitutional to begin with, and given special rights to one sector is to mistreat another sector. On-top of this, this is totally private enterprise, they can hire who they want. I can't really say what I'd like here, but this policy is a policy behind the regimes of tyranny. Russia, Germany, China. Get rid of this rule period. It doesn't belong in free societies.

Jeffkills · Jan 12, 2020

GMO415 said:
Rooney Rule needs to be re examined. There should be some type of incentive for a team to hire a minority HC

Why?

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