Jimmy Earned It

atlantacowboy said:

So, your team was being blown up and you didn't care? lol

I'm too lazy to check the timeline but the "500 coaches comment" was the last straw and Johnson was gone the next week. Interestingly, Jerry has done a few mea culpas recently. He regrets not being more tolerant in regard to jimmy and had this to say at his HOF induction:

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"There was no real easy way to do it. I wanted someone I knew, I wanted someone I knew well. I wanted someone that could get it done to be our coach. I wanted Jimmy Johnson. I said he'd be worth five first-round draft choices or five Heisman Trophy winners. Of course, I sure did get laughed out of town when I said it. It was my first experience as an owner and general manager making a difficult and very unpopular decision. Jimmy, it was a great decision.


"You were a great teammate, you were a great partner. To the contrary of popular belief, we worked so well together for five years and restored the Cowboys' credibility with our fans. We were back to back, we were driven, we had thick skin, we took all the criticism they could dish out. I thank you."

In my opinion, Jimmy is going to get his ROH induction b/c Jerry doesn't like the bad press his omission is creating.

I would love to see Jerry induct him b/c that would be full circle. Aikman would be divisive b/c he's recently become Jerry's most famous public critic. I think if Jimmy lets Jerry do it, he gets his ROH next year. If Aikman does it, then it might be awhile longer.

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Runwildboys said:

I don't believe he meant that as a shot at Jimmy, but rather as a statement of how good the players were... What's more, at that point, it wasn't a ridiculous statement. Switzer took over and barely coached the team, yet they made it to another SB, thanks to Aikman, Irvin, and other leaders on the team.

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CouchCoach said:

When I think of Jimmy Johnson the HC, I don't think he was in it long enough to garner HOF; however, when I add to it that he was actually doing the talent part of the GM job as well, that makes all the difference. He built the team that turned it around before teams were able to do that with FA.

I am sure there are voters that credit that 3rd ring to his team as well and think they might have gone 4 in a row with him at the helm because there was no relaxing with him.

Yes, the Walker trade was the catalyst as was the fact he didn't have the traditional owner or GM that was more talent focused, he had one trying to get out of the red so he wouldn't have to sell the team. However, he turned that Walker trade into gold and built the youngest team to ever win a SB and had the #1 D without one pber on it. A team mentioned with only a few others as a candidate for best ever, that's HOF stuff. Had he stayed two more years, that team was more than a candidate.

I don't think there's any question he does get a job in the NFL but I don't think he has as much authority as Booger gave him. And that Walker trade was just magical. Jimmy happened to land on the one team that had the one player the GM in MIN wanted so badly, his missing piece.

And while I think Booger is a total awesome person there is one more part to this. He bought a team losing 1M a month and allowed his HC to pull that deal together knowing he was losing his only draw and would be lucky to win one game. Say what you will, takes big brass ones and a hell of a strong belief in a person to attach your dream to them. If that had backfired, no jacket for either of them and most likely, no team for Booger.

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Runwildboys said:

It's not that I didn't care. I just didn't have the internet, and following the whole thing from New England wasn't worth the time, with everything else going on in my life. I just don't get so engrossed with things I have no control over.

Even this discussion has gone on too long for my taste.

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tunahelper said:

If you led an organization to the pinnacle of your field and your boss stated 500 other people could have done what you did. I am sure it would not go over well with you or anyone. Jerry disrespected Jimmy and Jimmy put Jerry into his place. Jerry has been chasing that ghost ever since. It is what drives Jerry in my opinion.

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atlantacowboy said:

More to the Walker trade. First, it had to be conceived. 100% Jimmy's idea. Then he had to sell it to Jerry. Then he had to find an interested trade partner. Then he had to work out the details of the trade. 100% all Jimmy up until that point. At that time, no team in NFL history had conceived of the idea of trading its best player to rebuild a team. It was so revolutionary that MN had no conception that Jimmy wouldn't take the players but rather the draft picks attached to them. MN actually thought they were putting one over on the new college coach. They thought they were getting Herschel Walker for a first round pick a few years down the road. It was brilliant. Best decision Booger ever made was hiring Jimmy Johnson and its true to this day.

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atlantacowboy said:

So, you would have been fine with Jerry chopping off coach Johnsons balls.........undermining the coaches authority as he's been doing to coaches for the past 25 years.............and Jimmy should have been okay with it? The whole mess BEGAN b/c Jerry thought playing football GM would be fun. Can you imagine how insulting that was for a self-made football coach like Jimmy Johnson who came up through the football trenches and was brought to Dallas to bail Jerry out of the football mess that was the Dallas Cowboys in 1989? ...... Jimmy did his job. The job he was hired to do. .......built a back-to-back super bowl champ........and here comes the owner waiving a contract extension that takes away his authority to make roster decisions? Jimmy had every right to be insulted and walk away. Jerry has never been "the bigger man". He's been holding all the cards since day 1.

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Jumbo075 said:

Jimmy Johnson earned his way into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Jimmy Johnson ALSO earned his exclusion from the Cowboys Ring of Honor.

It is possible for BOTH of the above statements to be true.

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DallasEast said:

museum
noun
: an institution devoted to the procurement, care, study, and display of objects of lasting interest or value

The Dallas Cowboys Ring Of Honor is just that. A museum. A place where individuals of historical significance are preserved for visitors to see and reflect upon.

Regardless of any one person's emotion, Jimmy Johnson impacted the history of the Dallas Cowboys in a way that cannot, has not, shall not and should not be forgotten for generations of the franchise and NFL fans alike. And Johnson is not the only one.

The denial of history within its proper place is a travesty. Shame on Jerry Jones. Heck. Shame on the Board of Selectors too concerning other Dallas Cowboys from history but I will stay on topic.

Jones is not a perfect person. No one is. Jones is a curator of Dallas Cowboys history however. During his time with his franchise, his supposed friend accomplished what only the late great Tom Landry did--coached two Super Bowl winning teams.

Landry is in the Ring of Honor. His counterpart is not. Shameful.

As I said earlier, the Ring Of Honor is a museum. Jones is its current curator. Jones is acting like a disgruntled Frenchman, born and raised in Paris, who eventually was given the privilege of becoming curator of The Lourve...

...and decided on his own that Leonardo da Vinci's Mona Lisa had no place in HIS museum because he did not like how she smiled at him.

smh

/rant

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PA Cowboy Fan said:

I think Jimmy could have got more than 1 championship out of those remaining years though. That 1995 team barely made it. As the media told us after the game, Pittsburgh lost that game more than Dallas won it.

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dallasdave said:

Hey if Jimmy would have stayed I think Dallas gets at least 3 more Super Bowl Championships.

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Runwildboys said:

Possibly, but the salary cap and free agency would've hampered his ability.

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dallasdave said:

No, Jimmy would have found a way to win.

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Runwildboys said:

Possibly. Didn't happen in Miami.

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Runwildboys said:

I honestly didn't care enough at the time to commit it all to memory, so this happened after the dinner party episode?

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Runwildboys said:

I don't think Jerry said or meant that 500 other people could have done what Jimmy did, just that they could coach the team from that point on. Other than that, I agree with your assessment...but that doesn't mean Jimmy was in the right with anything he did.

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dallasdave said:

Look at that team in Miami

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Runwildboys said:

Possibly. Didn't happen in Miami.

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