Twitter: Slater: McCarthy hasn’t spoken to Dak yet

mattjames2010

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the problem is that at some point you have to just roll with what you have. You don’t have to have Tom Brady to win a Super Bowl. It certainly helps (and having the greatest football coach in history doesn’t hurt), but there are times when it makes sense to churn churn churn trying to find an elite QB and there are times where that doesn’t make sense

I’m of the opinion that Dak is good enough to win a championship with the right team and coaching around him. His teammates love and follow him and that counts for a lot.

Im also of the opinion that our team is too old and too good to burn it down and start over. If he only had Cooper Rush at QB i might be advocating for a tear down, fire sale scenario but I’m that situation I would have liked to see a Matt Rhule type of selection at HC

we’re not a rebuild. I just don’t like the disruption and random crap shoot of trying to bring in the “next Aikman” on a team that has a shot at truly competing at a high level with the offensive talent already in place.

Oh, and the last time we drafted a QB in the first round ... it was #1 overall. I don’t think that proves your point as much as it proves mine.

one final note about Aikman. Just this morning on the Ticket, you could hear that he was *still* pissed about Jimmy bringing in Steve Walsh to compete for the job. 30 years later and he’s bringing it up.

Having an open competition for QB is not something to be entered into lightly. If you’re spending high draft picks on a QB you are telling the entire team that you might not have faith in your starter. That was ok when the Cowboys were 1-15, coming off 3-13. It’s maybe not such a good idea when you have a team where all the players think they are capable of winning a championship next year

You don't need a Tom Brady, but the chances of winning a Super Bowl without a QB playing at an extremely high level lowers the odds a great deal. Flacco and Nick Foles played like they were HOF QBs in their post-seasons. Outside of Flacco and Foles, here are the Super Bowl winning QBs since 2010

Brady x3
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Flacco
Foles
Rodgers
Wilson

It's much tougher in today's league to get a mediocre QB and build a lasting team around them that carries them to a Super Bowl.
 

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Don't look now, but ESPN lists Dak at the #1 free agent target out there if we let him hit the market.
"If a 27-year-old quarterback coming off a 4,902-yard season ever reached the open market, he would be swarmed."

And if you put the franchise tag on a QB, you are killing your team....he will sign a deal this off-season....bank it.

Lol, swarmed? By who? Maybe as a backup. The only place he’d be swarmed for the price he wants along with being a starter is possibly the Chargers, Bucs, Panthers, Titans (lower end). I can’t think of any other teams unless he’d be a backup.
 

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Lol, swarmed? By who? Maybe as a backup. The only place he’d be swarmed for the price he wants along with being a starter is possibly the Chargers, Bucs, Panthers, Titans (lower end). I can’t think of any other teams unless he’d be a backup.
You need to stop. You sound like an absolute moron now. Backup? Lol. 28 teams would kill for a backup with daks production. It’s funny now that the season is over and you can’t stir up your normal drama you come after Dak for attention.
 

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You need to stop. You sound like an absolute moron now. Backup? Lol. 28 teams would kill for a backup with daks production. It’s funny now that the season is over and you can’t stir up your normal drama you come after Dak for attention.

I know a lot of teams would like Dak as their backup. I’m saying he won’t sign onto a deal like that tho. He wants to be paid 30+ mil. No team is going to pay the backup 30+ mil, plus I’m sure he wants to be a starter. I’m not saying he COULDNT be a backup, just that for the PRICE he demands, he WONT be.
 

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On a value for money/bang for your buck basis probably 7.

Its not all about talent - you have to consider the price. You can upgrade your team in other areas with the money saved.
What money?
All of those QB’s are about to get PAID.

in 2020 when the Mayfield class is in their last guaranteed year you have one year of him left on his rookie deal. What can you do with that 10-12 m? One year for one player ok a prove it deal maybe. That doesn’t move the needle for me. Not when the cost of doing that is a string of high round draft picks fishing for a star and the constant disruption and half starts that result from never being settled at QB.

I think cap space is overrated at times, especially when it comes to the tiny window when you can do something significant with some extra cap resulting from a QB on a rookie deal.

problem is rookie deals for first rounders are four years and that last year is usually going to result in a rework and big money anyway unless you are Dak and your team won’t commit.
 

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I know a lot of teams would like Dak as their backup. I’m saying he won’t sign onto a deal like that tho. He wants to be paid 30+ mil. No team is going to pay the backup 30+ mil, plus I’m sure he wants to be a starter. I’m not saying he COULDNT be a backup, just that for the PRICE he demands, he WONT be.
since we are in fantasy landI’d like Pat Mahomes as my starter and Lamar Jackson as my backup.
You don't need a Tom Brady, but the chances of winning a Super Bowl without a QB playing at an extremely high level lowers the odds a great deal. Flacco and Nick Foles played like they were HOF QBs in their post-seasons. Outside of Flacco and Foles, here are the Super Bowl winning QBs since 2010

Brady x3
Eli Manning
Peyton Manning
Flacco
Foles
Rodgers
Wilson

It's much tougher in today's league to get a mediocre QB and build a lasting team around them that carries them to a Super Bowl.
youre kind of proving my point.

there are seven QB’s in two years who’ve won.

30% of them were average QB.

that leaves five top flight QB’s who have won.

There are 32 teams in the NFL.

25 teams hoping to find a way to win. Sometimes you have to go to war with the soldiers you have.

I’m absolutely on board with the idea that a franchise QB is irreplaceable. I just feel that it’s much, much harder to find them than most fans think and sometimes. ... sometimes you have to roll out a Flacco or a Foles and hope it’s enough
 

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since we are in fantasy landI’d like Pat Mahomes as my starter and Lamar Jackson as my backup.

youre kind of proving my point.

there are seven QB’s in two years who’ve won.

30% of them were average QB.

that leaves five top flight QB’s who have won.

There are 32 teams in the NFL.

25 teams hoping to find a way to win. Sometimes you have to go to war with the soldiers you have.

I’m absolutely on board with the idea that a franchise QB is irreplaceable. I just feel that it’s much, much harder to find them than most fans think and sometimes. ... sometimes you have to roll out a Flacco or a Foles and hope it’s enough

Again, Flacco played near perfectly, as did Foles - Ravens also had the benefit of still having two HOF players on their defense.

We don't have this. Your best shot is getting a franchise QB in the first 2-3 rounds. I'm not about relying on Cinderella stories to get a trophy.
 

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What money?
All of those QB’s are about to get PAID.

in 2020 when the Mayfield class is in their last guaranteed year you have one year of him left on his rookie deal. What can you do with that 10-12 m? One year for one player ok a prove it deal maybe. That doesn’t move the needle for me. Not when the cost of doing that is a string of high round draft picks fishing for a star and the constant disruption and half starts that result from never being settled at QB.

I think cap space is overrated at times, especially when it comes to the tiny window when you can do something significant with some extra cap resulting from a QB on a rookie deal.

problem is rookie deals for first rounders are four years and that last year is usually going to result in a rework and big money anyway unless you are Dak and your team won’t commit.

Simple question. If you were a coach, which of the following three QB rooms would you prefer to have?

1. Dak/Rush/Practise squad JAG.

2. 2020 First round QB/Dalton/Bortles.

3. 2020 First round QB/Mariota/Keenum

And options 2 & 3 are cheaper to option 1.

This is a complete no brainer. No way you go with #1.
 

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Simple question. If you were a coach, which of the following three QB rooms would you prefer to have?

1. Dak/Rush/Practise squad JAG.

2. 2020 First round QB/Dalton/Bortles.

3. 2020 First round QB/Mariota/Keenum

And options 2 & 3 are cheaper to option 1.

This is a complete no brainer. No way you go with #1.
Is the 2020 the Cowboys pick at #17 or the Bengals pick at #1

You also forgot to do this part. ,,, you don’t burn your first rounder on a QB if you keep Dak

1. First round DB/ Dak/Rush/Practise squad JAG.

2. 2020 First round QB/Dalton/Bortles.

3. 2020 First round QB/Mariota/Keenum

if we’re talking the #17 pick, I take Dak + 1st round DB all day long over 2 and 3

this is particularly true if we are talking about the Cowboys who just brought in a new coach with the intent of competition for a super bowl next year

if I’m in The Bengals spot and rebuilding the worst team in the league the answer would change
 
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Lol, swarmed? By who? Maybe as a backup. The only place he’d be swarmed for the price he wants along with being a starter is possibly the Chargers, Bucs, Panthers, Titans (lower end). I can’t think of any other teams unless he’d be a backup.
Don't look now but the titans are going to the AFC championship game. I think the Titans are pretty happy with Ryan tannahill :)
 

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Simple question. If you were a coach, which of the following three QB rooms would you prefer to have?

1. Dak/Rush/Practise squad JAG.

2. 2020 First round QB/Dalton/Bortles.

3. 2020 First round QB/Mariota/Keenum

And options 2 & 3 are cheaper to option 1.

This is a complete no brainer. No way you go with #1.


Well I guess we are going to find out in a few months what real professional football people choose. If I was a betting man, my money is on number one and not some opinion of Joe Beer Belly who works on the docks.
 

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Well I guess we are going to find out in a few months what real professional football people choose. If I was a betting man, my money is on number one and not some opinion of Joe Beer Belly who works on the docks.

:rolleyes: Philly people
 

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Don't look now but the titans are going to the AFC championship game. I think the Titans are pretty happy with Ryan tannahill :)

When your RB is averaging 190 yards and your defense is allowing 12.5 ppg you can win with a lot of QBs. Tannehill hasn't been asked to do much.
 
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