Pearson vs. Swann vs. Carmichael: Objective look

tyke1doe

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That makes sense but makes much less sense then with regards to the guy who made the most memorable catch of all time, and member of America's Team not getting in even with far better stats.

Swann went into broadcasting/media and unquestionably made friends with the very people who decided on entry.
That is why he was in, But yea Super Bowl X didn't hurt lol.

The irony is Swann said Calvin Johnson didn't deserve to be in. ROFLMAO.
Megatron was the best WR in football for a few season's something Swann never accomplished.
And in 9 years put up astronomical catch and TD totals.
Again, something Swann never did.

Megatron simply didn't have that Steelers team around him for the free ride to Canton.

I'm not arguing against Drew Pearson. Personally, I think he should be in. But I don't think wide receivers were as valued as running backs were in Swann's and Pearson's day.
Be that as it may, Swann got in because he made big plays in the biggest game, and his team won. If the Cowboys had won even one of those Super Bowls against the Steelers, Pearson would have been inducted long time ago. Still, I think he gets in. Hopefully, it won't be posthumously.
 

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I'm not arguing against Drew Pearson. Personally, I think he should be in. But I don't think wide receivers were as valued as running backs were in Swann's and Pearson's day.
Be that as it may, Swann got in because he made big plays in the biggest game, and his team won. If the Cowboys had won even one of those Super Bowls against the Steelers, Pearson would have been inducted long time ago. Still, I think he gets in. Hopefully, it won't be posthumously.
Every single player on both the 1st- and 2nd-team All-Decade 70s offense is now a Hall of Famer. All 22 players -- except Drew Pearson.

And Pearson is on the 1st team!
 

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Frankly they are all borderline candidates which is why it’s taken/took them decades to get in. Even Swann waited 20 years. If it takes 20 years to get you in, you were borderline. Drew is right on the edge... it’s tough.
 

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Unless you can show those stats per game in context of the game score and situation they are not an apples to apples comparison.
 

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Like many of us on these boards, I am incensed that Drew is not in the HoF. I decided to take a look at each receiver and figure out why Drew is not in while the others are.

First, the raw stats.

Drew Pearson (11 years)
489 receptions
7,822 yards
48 TD
Yards per game: 50.1
1,000 yards seasons: 2
4x Pro Bowler
3x 1st Team All Pro
1x 2nd Team All Pro
Made the Hail Mary Catch
1970's All Decade Team

Lynn Swann (9 years)
336 receptions
5,462 yards
51 TD
Yards per game: 47.1
1,000 yard seasons: 0
3x Pro Bowler
1x 1st Team All Pro
2x 2nd Team All Pro
Super Bowl MVP
1970's All Decade Team

Harold Carmichael (13 years, his 14th year in Dallas he barely saw the field, so 13 years)
590 receptions (played TE his first year at a time they were barely thrown to)
8,985 yards
79 TD
Yards per game: 49.4
1,000 seasons: 3
4x Pro Bowl

Playoffs:
Drew Pearson:
22 games, 68 receptions, 8 TD's, 1,,131 yards, 51.4 yards per game
Lynn Swann: 16 games, 48 receptions, 9 TD's, 907 yards, 56.7 yards per game
Harold Carmichael: 7 games, 29 receptions, 6 TD's, 465 yards, 66.4 yards per game

What do these raw stats tell us? Two things jump out:
  • Lynn Swann is the least impactful of the three, though he has been in the HoF for years.
  • Harold Carmichael is by far the most impactful in the playoffs.
  • Carmichael's teams, judging by playoff appearances, have been awful compared to Swann's or Pearson's

Let's go further. Who were the QB's and how stable was each franchise?

Swann: One HC (Chuck Noll), One QB (Bradshaw)
Pearson: One HC (Tom Landry), Two QB's (Staubach and White)
Carmichael: Six HC's, of which only one was any good (Dick Vermeil), Seven QB's (3 years of Roman Gabriel, of which he was healthy for one, Jaworski, Pisarcik, Boyela, Arrington, Reeves, and three games with the corpse of Dan Pastorini).

Swann and Pearson played for great coaches and good to great QB's. Carmichael played under mostly garbage coaching and garbage at the QB position. Vermeil was an excellent coach--the other five were horrible-- one year of a very good healthy Roman Gabriel (2 bad injured years), and the good but overrated Jaws with Vermeil. The other QB's were hot garbage.

After looking at this, and remembering all these receivers play, I would take Carmichael over either Swann or Pearson. And how Swann got in the HoF and Pearson didn't is a mystery. I can't imagine what Staubach could have done with Carmichael, or how good Carmichael would be considered if he had a team with solid ownership, QB play, and coaching.

My opinion will not be popular. I don't give a ****.

Name one Harold Carmichael signature play? Drew had at least three.
 

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Unless you can show those stats per game in context of the game score and situation they are not an apples to apples comparison.

That and just overall win records need to be considered better for the QBs and WRs that will start popping in now every year with crazy yardage. It's a pass happy league, but don't reward the guy who threw for 5,000 yards because he's trying to come back from the 3 interceptions he threw in the first half. Don't let the wideout who runs sloppy routes but can play sandlot all second half to catch up from the lack of discipline in the first beat the guy who has the low numbers but executed to the gameplan exactly like the coach wanted, made the key catches early in the game, and let the clock burn out with the running game afterwards.
 

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That and just overall win records need to be considered better for the QBs and WRs that will start popping in now every year with crazy yardage. It's a pass happy league, but don't reward the guy who threw for 5,000 yards because he's trying to come back from the 3 interceptions he threw in the first half. Don't let the wideout who runs sloppy routes but can play sandlot all second half to catch up from the lack of discipline in the first beat the guy who has the low numbers but executed to the gameplan exactly like the coach wanted, made the key catches early in the game, and let the clock burn out with the running game afterwards.


Yup. Thats the problem with the people who think the game is played in a spreadsheet.
 

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In their effort to be "fair" by spreading the love around to as many teams as possible, they're actually rewriting history. The fact is, there were a few dominant teams that simply had more great players. This was never supposed to come out even.
Howley played for more than the cowboys.
Bears?
 

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Simple, Swann in = Pearson Definitely in. Hopefully next year. No reason he should not be in.
 

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Bingo! Plus, the Steelers were 2-0 head-to-head versus the Cowboys in the Super Bowl. The HoF voters favor players on winning, successful teams over those on also-ran teams. Reverse the Cowboys-Steelers Super Bowl results and Drew most likely is in and Swann isn’t.
The Cowboys were 2-0 against Buffalo in the Super Bowl but the Bills' deserving players got in right away. They didn't wait 40 years like Drew and they were 4-time Super Bowl losers. And remember we don't know if Drew will ever get in or live to see it. It's wrong.
 
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