If Dak gets tagged will there be any team that offers up two 1st round picks?

ABQCOWBOY

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Ya but that was when were 3-0 wasnt it lol? He has the luxury of not having to worry about that. There is only 3 QB's id even consider that for maybe 2.

There is no QB in the league today that I would consider trading two number 1s and paying out at the highest salary in the league for. I just don't believe that this is the way to win championships. I think you have to build the team across the board and find a QB that can fit within the salary cap. That's just my opinion.
 

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There is no QB in the league today that I would consider trading two number 1s and paying out at the highest salary in the league for. I just don't believe that this is the way to win championships. I think you have to build the team across the board and find a QB that can fit within the salary cap. That's just my opinion.

wont disagree with you here but with this team if you make 1 tweak or 2 on defense Mahomes certainly would make me think about and possibly jackson
 

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Pay Dak or Tag and Keep or Tag and Reel in two first round picks? I see a max of 12 teams that would be potential candidates for making a move. Just throwing out "what ifs" here. The day we're allowed to tag Dak:

-How soon will a team make an offer? Immediately, within the first week, during the draft, etc.

-If a team makes an offer would you match or decline? If the Panthers, Bengals, Bears, Bucs, or whoever offer up their first round picks do you brush it off or jump on it? If you decline, why?

Be honest and disregard whatever the Cowboys might do to keep you from answering.
Better chance of black widow beating Thanos with the infinity gauntlet or
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If a team is going to give up 2 1st round picks for a QB that some see as very good potential others see as a bus driver. I don't think any team thinks he sucks, though some on here do, but they hate everything. LOL.

But a team will give up those picks to draft a QB, low cap hit for 5 years. Rather than getting a QB that wants $35 to $40 million a year.

What’s puzzling to me about this scenario is, whenever somebody brings up the idea of letting Prescott walk and trying to draft somebody else the common rebuttal to that argument is that your odds of getting an established quarterback in the draft are very low

so then I am left to wonder if this is the way the cowboys are supposed to think regarding Dak, then why wouldn’t other NFL teams think the same way? Why wouldn’t they pony up $35-$40 million per year for Dak Rather than risk trying to draft a good quarterback? I mean if it’s such a great idea for us to pursue this line of thought then why doesn’t the same logic apply to other teams?

Is this a subtle admission that the rest of the league does not view him quite as highly as we are told they do?
 

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I'd ask this:

When was the last time a team gave up two first round picks for a franchise tagged quarterback?
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I read an article during last off-season and it stated that the franchise tag has only been used 5 times since 2010 on a QB.
Michael Vick and Brees were tagged, but in both those cases, the tag was used only to give the additional time to hammer out the details of the deals that were in the works. The tags were rescinded before the season after the deals were finished. IIRC, both were signed to record deals at the time(s).
Peyton Manning was tagged during his year out with the neck injury.
Cousins was really the only QB in the last decade where the tag was truly used and he got tagged twice.

NFL teams just do not throw around the franchise tag for QBs.
 

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I think there are so few that even hit that point that it's not worth researching it.
I think a lot of fans are under the impression it is used much more than it really is. It's really not used that often, and players play under it even less because even when it is uaed the idea often is just to preserve rights to a player while they work out the details of a longer term contract
 

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I'd go to the bengals, lions, and dolphins and tell them:
My 1st round pick + Dak + any player on my roster they want for their 1st round pick

Let's do it

To me, Burrow or Herbert is HUGE win if we get one of them. Rookie contract, and less of Dak contract headache, not gonna pay him 35+ mil, and no gonna let him hold me and my team hostage to his over the board demands

:cool:
 

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:laugh: no one is giving up 2 1st rounders for Dak. It's a joke to even pretend such.
This is a good point if you ignore the last 18 months or so.

It's unlikely, but not unrealistic. Teams give up more than that to draft quarterbacks. Of course they'd pay that price for a guy who is proven in the league, it's just a question of whether or not they'd want to spend the picks AND the contract.
 

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wont disagree with you here but with this team if you make 1 tweak or 2 on defense Mahomes certainly would make me think about and possibly jackson

Both of those guys might actually end up being better, I don't know. A lot of it has to do with the Offense they play in.

100% honest, I am not sure if Dak is going to fit the WCO. He may end up doing well but then again, he may end up not doing very well in it either. I liked him in the Vertical Offense we had before. I felt like the problem with that was not the Offense, necessarily, but the play calling and the execution. I felt like his skills matched up much better with it. If I had to pick a QB to work in the Offense we have now, it might be Sam Darnold. I don't believe he is the best QB in the NFL but he does fit the WC really well IMO. But that's here nor there.
 

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This year has the smallest chance ever of it happening. What team is going to give up two 1st round picks in a year where there will be more quarterbacks hitting the market than ever before?

Think of the scheduled free agents and players rumored to be on the block:
  1. Tom Brady
  2. Drew Brees
  3. Philip Rivers
  4. Jameis Winston
  5. Ryan Tannehill
  6. Cam Newton
  7. Marcus Mariota
And that's just a few off the top of my head. Why would anyone give up two future 1st round picks to then have to pay Prescott over $35 million a year? The answer? Nobody would.

How much would Philip Rivers cost us for a 2 year deal?
 

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This is a good point if you ignore the last 18 months or so.

It's unlikely, but not unrealistic. Teams give up more than that to draft quarterbacks. Of course they'd pay that price for a guy who is proven in the league, it's just a question of whether or not they'd want to spend the picks AND the contract.

Teams do spend a lot for QBs at the top of the draft, that's true. But, I think a lot of that is also because there is tangible value in a Rookie deal that you can have in place for 5 years. 5 years is a long time to have to build the rest of your team and lets face it, most teams who are picking high are bad so there are typically a lot of areas you can look to to try and improve on. It takes time to develop a QB so you almost never ever know what you have in a QB until you have him for a couple of seasons. If you miss with a Rookie QB, chances are that you are going to be in a position to pick at the top of the draft again in the near future. Another chance to get your QB if you miss the first time but more importantly, if you do it right and you build the rest of your team, then you can trade that pick and acquire another QB down the road or you can sign a QB who might not be the top 5 guy in the draft but might be good enough to win with once you've built your roster out. There are a lot of ways you can win. Hell, Tannihill is playing for a shot at the Super Bowl this weekend. Really, Tannihill?
 

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I don’t believe Jerry will let Dak go but, hypothetically speaking, if he Tagged him I believe there is at least one team that would give up two firsts. There’s always that one team out there.

At that point I believe Jerry would just match their offer or maybe he can’t. I’m no franchise/Cap nerd expert, so I’m not sure what happens at that point since I don’t recall a QB ever being tagged before. This is early offseason madness.

I personally would be very tempted to take the two hypothetical first round picks though. Depends where they are and who might be available. Lots of stuff to factor. I believe Dak can still be developed even more than he has with better coaching and a better scheme. He’s already improved dramatically since last season despite the injury set backs.

My concern is that now he will have his fourth or fifth QB coach, too many cooks in the pot...
 

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What’s puzzling to me about this scenario is, whenever somebody brings up the idea of letting Prescott walk and trying to draft somebody else the common rebuttal to that argument is that your odds of getting an established quarterback in the draft are very low

so then I am left to wonder if this is the way the cowboys are supposed to think regarding Dak, then why wouldn’t other NFL teams think the same way? Why wouldn’t they pony up $35-$40 million per year for Dak Rather than risk trying to draft a good quarterback? I mean if it’s such a great idea for us to pursue this line of thought then why doesn’t the same logic apply to other teams?

Is this a subtle admission that the rest of the league does not view him quite as highly as we are told they do?

+1

If its a bad idea for Dallas to let him go for two firsts, that means its a good idea for the rest of the league to trade two firsts for him. You really can't have it both ways.

At a minimum, I would give Dak the non exclusive tag and tell him to negotiate with other teams. It would help leverage. If someone offers something you don't want to match, take the two firsts. If he only gets small offers, that tells him his market value isn't as high as he thinks.
 

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Rivers doesn't fit the Offense very well so I don't know that I would go that route but you who might, Tom Brady.
How much would Tom Brady cost for a 2 year deal?

You know. We could do that if it was like, 20m or less per year. And draft Jake Fromm.

I'm sure we are going to sign Dak. But it's fun to kick this kind of thing around.
 
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