Video: FOX: Marcellus Wiley explains why Dak Prescott is a genius for turning down $33m extension

Diehardblues · Jan 16, 2020

zekecowboy said:
You mean Stephen Jones saying we are going to sign Dak because he was a great quarterback this year. You say that after he signs, not before.

As fans we reserve the right to say it at any time. Lol

ClintDagger · Jan 16, 2020

Hennessy_King said:
defensive effieciency was 22nd. yards and points is archaic. in depth analytics provide a more accurate picture

PFF had them ranked 6th for the season. I’m sure the next gen stuff is penalizing them for having a low number of turnovers which is rare in a good defense. But any stat that had this defense in the bottom 10 has huge holes in it.

Hennessy_King · Jan 16, 2020

ClintDagger said:
PFF had them ranked 6th for the season. I’m sure the next gen stuff is penalizing them for having a low number of turnovers which is rare in a good defense. But any stat that had this defense in the bottom 10 has huge holes in it.

Efficiency in terms of getting off the field on 3rd downs. sacking the qb. making negative plays. creating turnovers. they were bad in all of those categories.

blumayne38 · Jan 16, 2020

Can Marcellus Wiley explain his stint in Dallas?

Frozen700 · Jan 16, 2020

Dak_Attack_09 said:
What about the other years, Dak getting paid one away or another. You should find a new team instead.

Awww look, I hurt your feelings.

It's clear you are a Dak fan and a troll. You don't care about the cowboys, just Dak and his pockets

The fact you are rooting for a bum to lead us, speaks volumes. You want us to fail. All good if not this year, next year after he falls flat on his face he will be fighting for his job and possibly be a backup.

So laugh now while Dak destroys our team. Just start getting your affairs in order, and find another team to troll once he's regulated to back up or traded.

Don't try and change your username either. I'll be keeping track and screenshotting.

#DontpayDak.

OldJarhead · Jan 16, 2020

JBond said:
Yep. Dak was all world in 2017 and 2018. Should have been selected All-Pro those years. Not sure how the rest of the NFL didn't recognize his incredible play.

Please tell me this was sarcasm.

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 16, 2020

ColoradoCowboy said:
Really? I'll admit that Ohrnberger isn't exactly a household name, but ALL of the others are. If you do not know who there are, then you are most likely:
a. Very young
b. new to football
c. not really a fan of the game.

Flamma · Jan 16, 2020

stasheroo said:
I honestly feel like it's coming down to a showdown and the tag. Unlike other agents and players, Dak and his are willing to roll the dice and take the risk to get some of the really big player money that will be coming down the pike when that new CBA deal gets done. They're willing to wait for that.

This is what puzzles me. If it's true that he turned down 33 a year, what if he got a career ending injury? He took that risk for a few mil more a year? Does that sound like a genius to anyone here? But Jerry is something else. If he was sold on Dak then crap or get off the bowl. He's just sitting there. The guy should have been extended a year ago. What are you waiting for?

I was against giving in to Zeke and Tank. Jerry caved in on both and what did we get as a result? Dallas could have missed the playoffs without those two.

If Jerry is sold on Dak but the contract amount is the issue, Transition tag him. Then just match highest offer. It's not going to be much more than he is asking if he turned down 33 Mil. That's if he's really intent on keeping him.

atlantacowboy · Jan 16, 2020

HanD said:
That link doesn't say it isn't an extension or that it would have changed his base salary last year.

Yes he'd have gotten money this past year in signing bonuses. But the total he's getting after 5 years doesn't change. It would not have made a difference to him. Now he gets the same bonus 8 months later. He lost security of injury but wants more money.

If he got 400k last year, then signs next month say for 33m for next 5 years, with 50m bonus. It's the same as an extension last off season.

Besides cap, if he signed it last year he's get the same money if he signs it now. Just the same signing bonus 8 months earlier and spread cap wise over 6 instead of 5 years. His salary would have still been 400k. He got some security in guaranteed money but what goes to his bank over the 6 years doesn't change. He didn't lose money. He delayed the same amount. It's not like leveon who gave up 14m on the tag for a year.

If I give you 100m now or in 8 months you still get 100m. We aren't talking about present and future worth of money. Now the bonuses will be less spread out over a contract one year shorter.

Wha? How is getting his money one year later the same? It is not b/c his career is finite. What he sacrificed is one less year of earning potential. He didn't earn a substantial raise nor did he increase his value by leading the team to an 8-8 record. He's probably going to get tagged and earn 30 million next year OR settle for something around 33 million which he could have got last year. If he was really betting on himself, he should have signed the big contract he was offered last year so he can get to his next contract sooner. Any way you look at it, he wasted a year earning a fraction of what he's worth.

CowboyRoy · Jan 16, 2020

Reality said:
Marcellus Wiley explains why Dak Prescott is a 'genius' for turning down $33 million extension (VIDEO)

Marcellus Wiley joins Rich Ohrnberger, TJ Houshmandzadeh and Jason Whitlock to discuss reports that Dak Prescott turned down a contract extension from that Dallas Cowboys that would've paid him $33 million a year.

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Reports are that it wasn't as much the salary as the number of years. Cowboys wanted 7 years and Dak wants 4 years.

atlantacowboy · Jan 16, 2020

stasheroo said:
I honestly feel like it's coming down to a showdown and the tag. Unlike other agents and players, Dak and his are willing to roll the dice and take the risk to get some of the really big player money that will be coming down the pike when that new CBA deal gets done. They're willing to wait for that.

The fly in the honey is that Dak was terrible against the good teams and failed to lead a comeback win this year. He was in a better position last year coming off a playoff win. He's gonna get tagged b/c we still have no idea who he is as a QB.

IMO, Dak got some bad advice last year. He got sold this idea that he could "bet on himself" by playing for 400k one more year. All that did was put him at risk and he lost the bet.

ColoradoCowboy · Jan 16, 2020

CouchCoach said:
No to all 3, I am one of the oldest members here. I am a fan of the game of football, not all of the talk they make about it to justify jobs for after they retire. Their opinions carry very little weight unless it is a former coach speaking from that perspective.

The problem isn't that there are too many talking heads; the problem is too many people actually listening to them.

Well, it seems that text really isn't a good medium for sarcasm. Who knew? LOL

Whether their opinions MEAN anything or not is a very different from "never heard of these guys." Honestly, the only one of them that I find myself agreeing with more than about a third of the time is Whitlock. He is generally rational and/or reasonable.

Toruk_Makto · Jan 16, 2020

charron said:
He knows the Jones family will cave. That's why he turned it down. Stephen should have already slapped the tag on him and stopped the pretend negotiations.

Why would he have slapped the tag when Dak was under contract?

Toruk_Makto · Jan 16, 2020

Tangle_Foot said:
It seems as if today's media devotes more time to an athlete's pay rather than their play. So now Dak is considered to be a genius by putting more stress on the salary-cap than he does on opposing defenses.
Yay.

It is because the business of football interests fans. Free agency interest fans. So knowing who gets paid what and what it will take to pay x person y interests fans.

You new here?

charron · Jan 16, 2020

Toruk_Makto said:
Why would he have slapped the tag when Dak was under contract?

Tag wouldn't go into effect till the start of Free agency but stephen offered a contract already and should have at-least given the impresssion that if Daks agent doesn't like it we'll use the transition tag on him. Right now all he did was try to low ball him a little and still said they will get a deal done, effectively neutering any hope of a team friendly deal. Stephen will grossly over pay for an average QB and we'll regret not being able to put enough talent around him to make a post season run.

Redball Express · Jan 16, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Our front office are great negotiators. Lol

Love how they handled Zekes holdout and Daks tag. Lol

And how they played with the Tank contract for months..

Only ending up signing him to their original numbers.

Causing Tank to delay his surgery and it affected his season in 2019.

Yeah..some clear thinking there.

Right.

:lmao2:

buybuydandavis · Jan 16, 2020

stasheroo said:
While Jerry checks out every option he has available to replace either or both. Two sides to that coin.

Fact is that there will be more name quarterbacks hitting free agency that EVER BEFORE. If they so chose, they could try to sign Brady, Brees, or Rivers for a year or two, knowing full well that they'd be drafting their eventual replacements. And that would leave Dak trying to find someone else to pay him that huge money and going somewhere without a top offensive line and running back.

+1
And then Dak can also start thinking about how much having that star on his helmet is so much better than most any other logo, financially and socially. I think that's one of the disconnects. Dak wants a market rate on his contract, while Jerry *rightfully* wants Dak to calculate his compensation including the value the Jerry delivers to Dak's compensation that other owners don't.

It would be funny if instead of getting Payton as HC, we got Brees as QB.

Unfortunately, Jerry has shown no sign of considering a replacement to Dak beyond Mike White. Could have drafted another QB last year. Instead. Not.

In the Zeke negotiations, Jerry did nothing to give himself options. Pollard is better than expected, but it would have been crazy for Jerry to bank on that, and he's not really enough besides. We should have picked up a legitimate share the load interior back. Morris was just not it.

Could have also let Zeke look into trades with other teams. Let him really think about the costs of leaving, instead of just using his holdout as a cudgel over Jerry.

Jerry could have looked into what he could get in trade for Zeke too. Any legit gm not letting his personal relationships get into the calculations would have. Same for Dlaw.

I heard no such story for either. And so they were both overpaid here. Probably what happens with Dak. And Cooper.

Could be that instead of the old, proven guys, McCarthy sees young and cheap QBs that he thinks he can get more value out of. Maybe with letting Garrett go, Jerry will turn over a new leaf and stop being married to the guys we already have here. But I doubt it.

buybuydandavis · Jan 16, 2020

stasheroo said:
I honestly feel like it's coming down to a showdown and the tag. Unlike other agents and players, Dak and his are willing to roll the dice and take the risk to get some of the really big player money that will be coming down the pike when that new CBA deal gets done. They're willing to wait for that.

Dak played last year for peanuts. Could have skipped half the season and still got his accrued season. Given that, I see them perfectly content to play on 33mil guaranteed this year and wait out another year unless they get the ridiculous contract they want. They're obviously in no rush, and perfectly comfortable not locking in that 100mil guaranteed.

I wonder. Why don't players show up for camp, play their games to accrue a season, *and then* hold out? Even tell the team upfront that's their plan. Zeke could have done that. Makes extra sense for RBs, who have limited tread relative to other positions.

Then all the pressure is on the team.

Redball Express · Jan 16, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
+1
And then Dak can also start thinking about how much having that star on his helmet is so much better than most any other logo, financially and socially. I think that's one of the disconnects. Dak wants a market rate on his contract, while Jerry *rightfully* wants Dak to calculate his compensation including the value the Jerry delivers to Dak's compensation that other owners don't.

It would be funny if instead of getting Payton as HC, we got Brees as QB.

Unfortunately, Jerry has shown no sign of considering a replacement to Dak beyond Mike White. Could have drafted another QB last year. Instead. Not.

In the Zeke negotiations, Jerry did nothing to give himself options. Pollard is better than expected, but it would have been crazy for Jerry to bank on that, and he's not really enough besides. We should have picked up a legitimate share the load interior back. Morris was just not it.

Could have also let Zeke look into trades with other teams. Let him really think about the costs of leaving, instead of just using his holdout as a cudgel over Jerry.

Jerry could have looked into what he could get in trade for Zeke too. Any legit gm not letting his personal relationships get into the calculations would have. Same for Dlaw.

I heard no such story for either. And so they were both overpaid here. Probably what happens with Dak. And Cooper.

Could be that instead of the old, prove guys, McCarthy sees young and cheap QBs that he thinks he can get more value out of. Maybe with letting Garrett go, Jerry will turn over a new leaf and stop being married to the guys we already have here. But I doubt it.

Ok..

Like your post. But me thinks you are stuck in 1989. Hershel Walker is traded and long gone.

You envisioning guys like Zeke and Tank and others that have been resigned to their new deals have any sort of trade value now.

No teams would touch something like that now. Maybe you were just playing with the thought for comment.

So I looking forward..I think we would both agree the draft over the next 2-3 years is our best hope along with the salary cap increasing to give us more room to sign players and replace the departing FAs we will be having.

Yes?

Ranched · Jan 16, 2020

Marcellus Wiley isn't too much of a genius thinking Dak is and not his agent, France.

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