If Dak gets tagged will there be any team that offers up two 1st round picks?

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ABQCOWBOY said:
Both of those guys might actually end up being better, I don't know. A lot of it has to do with the Offense they play in.

100% honest, I am not sure if Dak is going to fit the WCO. He may end up doing well but then again, he may end up not doing very well in it either. I liked him in the Vertical Offense we had before. I felt like the problem with that was not the Offense, necessarily, but the play calling and the execution. I felt like his skills matched up much better with it. If I had to pick a QB to work in the Offense we have now, it might be Sam Darnold. I don't believe he is the best QB in the NFL but he does fit the WC really well IMO. But that's here nor there.
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interesting take I hope that Dak does well. I know ill be cheering hard and cussing at my Tv
 
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Teams do spend a lot for QBs at the top of the draft, that's true. But, I think a lot of that is also because there is tangible value in a Rookie deal that you can have in place for 5 years. 5 years is a long time to have to build the rest of your team and lets face it, most teams who are picking high are bad so there are typically a lot of areas you can look to to try and improve on. It takes time to develop a QB so you almost never ever know what you have in a QB until you have him for a couple of seasons. If you miss with a Rookie QB, chances are that you are going to be in a position to pick at the top of the draft again in the near future. Another chance to get your QB if you miss the first time but more importantly, if you do it right and you build the rest of your team, then you can trade that pick and acquire another QB down the road or you can sign a QB who might not be the top 5 guy in the draft but might be good enough to win with once you've built your roster out. There are a lot of ways you can win. Hell, Tannihill is playing for a shot at the Super Bowl this weekend. Really, Tannihill?
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I mean I agree with most of this...but that's why I said it would have to be a win-now team who isn't picking high pulling the trigger, and doing it after the draft this year. You can't afford to waste a talented roster on poor QB play. Two picks in the 20s isn't that costly for a franchise QB.
 
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I think you guys are wrong. The Patriots would give up two very late first round picks for their QB of the future and turn him into the next big deal and you guys will say how did we let Dak get away. The two late picks mean nothing to the Patriots and Dak is a proven commodity with upside.

Keep in mind that a team is probably going to give up a first round pick for any QB they draft and maybe more to move up.

Is Dak as good as Wentz and what did the Eagles give you move up just a few spots. What do you think the Patriots would have to give up to the top 5 spots to draft a QB?

The Patriots, Indy, Pittsburg, and a few others would gladly give up two first round picks. The saints are another one of those teams that might sneak into the running.
 
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There is no QB in the league today that I would consider trading two number 1s and paying out at the highest salary in the league for. I just don't believe that this is the way to win championships. I think you have to build the team across the board and find a QB that can fit within the salary cap. That's just my opinion.
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There is not a player in the league worth two 1's except to bunch of geriatric old geezers who have nothing better to do with their money than try to buy a shiny trophy!
 
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starfan1 said:
interesting take I hope that Dak does well. I know ill be cheering hard and cussing at my Tv
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I hope so too because my feeling is that we are going to see a Franchise Tag for Dak and he will eventually get signed to a deal. Now, that deal IMO, despite what I would like to see the team do, is going to be overpriced and very expensive. It's going to be a hard 4 or 5 years if Dak doesn't work out well. It will basically mean that the window is effectively shut on another really talented team. We will, by then, be in rebuild again and will have to start all over. That will mean another 3 to 5 years to retool and then another window to try and win a title. It's already been like 25 years for us, start doing the math on how long it might be if Dak doesn't work out.
 
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Pay Dak or Tag and Keep or Tag and Reel in two first round picks? I see a max of 12 teams that would be potential candidates for making a move. Just throwing out "what ifs" here. The day we're allowed to tag Dak:

-How soon will a team make an offer? Immediately, within the first week, during the draft, etc.

-If a team makes an offer would you match or decline? If the Panthers, Bengals, Bears, Bucs, or whoever offer up their first round picks do you brush it off or jump on it? If you decline, why?

Be honest and disregard whatever the Cowboys might do to keep you from answering.
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i sincerely doubt it but if they did I say Good Bye dak, we could package those picks move up and grab a Herbert or Tua and let MM magic use Pollard and zeke to help groom a new QB along, pick up a Case Keenum type to bridge that gap..

is it the smartest move letting your starting qb go, no BUT 2 1sts and not having to pay dak more then hes worth with what we saw down these stretch..

I cut ties and have a new window open for trying to use the money to build a team with say Amari and a FA stud defender, TE, great draft to get to a sb before hes due for a big new deal..
 
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How many franchised players have been signed by other teams?
 
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I mean I agree with most of this...but that's why I said it would have to be a win-now team who isn't picking high pulling the trigger, and doing it after the draft this year. You can't afford to waste a talented roster on poor QB play. Two picks in the 20s isn't that costly for a franchise QB.
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Oh, I agree but a lot of that depends on how other teams evaluate Dak. IE, is he the guy who they believe is a long term QB worth 40 annually and who can also QB you to a championship with a loaded team? This is what we don't know. What do teams really think about Dak?
 
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garyo1954 said:
There is not a player in the league worth two 1's except to bunch of geriatric old geezers who have nothing better to do with their money than try to buy a shiny trophy!
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im pretty sure players like Mack and Ramsey got that or close to it..it was steep..Jets were asking that for Adams etc..its not unheard of..

btw id give 2 firsts and Dak for Mahomes right now..not even blink..
 
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garyo1954 said:
There is not a player in the league worth two 1's except to bunch of geriatric old geezers who have nothing better to do with their money than try to buy a shiny trophy!
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I don't know if I agree with this. I might spend that kind of money on a player like Aaron Donald. He would be expensive and we all know that but he would still be manageable, cap wise, because we are not talking QB money. Plus, he is a guy who might put you over the top defensively, if you had all the other pieces.
 
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ABQCOWBOY said:
I hope so too because my feeling is that we are going to see a Franchise Tag for Dak and he will eventually get signed to a deal. Now, that deal IMO, despite what I would like to see the team do, is going to be overpriced and very expensive. It's going to be a hard 4 or 5 years if Dak doesn't work out well. It will basically mean that the window is effectively shut on another really talented team. We will, by then, be in rebuild again and will have to start all over. That will mean another 3 to 5 years to retool and then another window to try and win a title. It's already been like 25 years for us, start doing the math on how long it might be if Dak doesn't work out.
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cant disagree too much. But if you listen to others on this site all you got to do is plug and play. Plug in another QB and everything is fixed. I could see this team getting to the super bowl next year unfortunately I can also see them missing the playoffs again. That's the enigma of being a cowboy fan in this era
 
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Didn't say they don't for it. I said there is no one worth that much. Factor in you have to sign the guy a year or two later to a higher contract. You lose both ways.
 
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This year has the smallest chance ever of it happening. What team is going to give up two 1st round picks in a year where there will be more quarterbacks hitting the market than ever before?

Think of the scheduled free agents and players rumored to be on the block:
  1. Tom Brady
  2. Drew Brees
  3. Philip Rivers
  4. Jameis Winston
  5. Ryan Tannehill
  6. Cam Newton
  7. Marcus Mariota
And that's just a few off the top of my head. Why would anyone give up two future 1st round picks to then have to pay Prescott over $35 million a year? The answer? Nobody would.
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If Brady and Brees are not playing for the Patriots or Saints respectively the odds of them playing for another team are somewhat remote.

Rivers is done. I’m not sure anyone will want him next year. He’s not good enough to win you anything. He is just good enough to ruin your draft pick.

Tannehill isn’t going anywhere. The Titans are not going to let him walk.

I think Newton is about like Rivers only a slightly better player but a lot bigger headache.

Mariotta is intriguing, I’ll give you that one. But once he was replaced his heir did far better than he did. He may not be viewed well by NFL execs. Dak is a winner, in spite of Garrett. Execs would probably take note of that.

Im just sayin’...
 
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cant disagree too much. But if you listen to others on this site all you got to do is plug and play. Plug in another QB and everything is fixed. I could see this team getting to the super bowl next year unfortunately I can also see them missing the playoffs again. That's the enigma of being a cowboy fan in this era
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I don't think any QB can do that. I think there are QBs out there who you can win with but again, so much of that is all about the Offense you play in, the Coaching and the talent around you. The Cowboys have the talent. We will see about the Coaching. I am not at all convinced about the Offense Dak will play in now but there are guys out there who we could probably sign for cheaper money that fit better.

This is all about how Dak fits into the WCO IMO. Seriously, that's the biggest factor now. Bigger then contract, you name it.
 
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ABQCOWBOY said:
Oh, I agree but a lot of that depends on how other teams evaluate Dak. IE, is he the guy who they believe is a long term QB worth 40 annually and who can also QB you to a championship with a loaded team? This is what we don't know. What do teams really think about Dak?
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Sure, that's why I said those teams would all consider it lol.

Look at Pitt, for instance. Their biggest issue was that they had incompetent QBs. If Roeth retires, the swap in salary to Dak is minimal (relative to some other teams) and you're immediately one of the 3-4 best teams in that conference.
 

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joshjwp said:
I would love 2 firsts for him. Tank 1 year and then draft Trevor Lawrence.
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yes, I would trade my firsts this year for future picks. and I would wait until next year and trade every pick (that would be at least 4 first round picks) for top pick and for trevor Lawrence.
 
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