What if Dak was a Free Agent?

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It's reported that Patrick Mahomes might get around 44 million, along with Watson's camp saying they want more than that. Dak won't be signing until those two camps get their contracts, and I won't doubt that Dak's contract now skyrockets.

I'd get out of this as soon as possible.

My problem is I don't think Dak is in their category. So IMO I don't care what Mahomes and Watson get, I don't think Dak is at their level. I wouldn't pay him anywhere near their contracts.
 

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Actually I did read it.
He said we wouldn't be having a discussion of if he gets to free agency if he was a top tier guy.

And reality is we all know he isn't hitting free agency so he is in fact wrong.

Maybe you should re-read.
I can highlight it in yellow for you if it seems challenging to grasp.

Dak is a top tier guy and he will be either franchised and/or sign the biggest deal in NFL history.
There is no debate.
One or both will happen.

This is exactly what the poster said:

It would be a perfect storm for Dak to be a free agent and he'd make big money. The fact we're talking about Dak being a free agent shows he isn't in the tier of the truly top QBs.

Nobody wondered what Russell or Brees or Mahomes would get on the free market. Why? Because their teams would never make them play on a lame duck deal and if they were in the last year of their contract they'd have been taken care of being the season began.


This poster is 100% correct. If Dak were one of the top 3 or 4 guys, we wouldn't be having this conversation about FA right now. Poster is 100% right. The fact that we are, does show that he is not viewed as one of the top 3 or 4 QBs. If he were, he would have been signed immediately, before even Wentz or anybody else. That's just the truth.

He goes on to point out that Russell or Brees or Mahomes never had this problem or won't have this problem, which I also agree with. Mahomes is absolutely going to get top Dollar IMO, when his deal is up.

Nothing this poster says is inaccurate or half witted or wrong. All of it is true. Why are you having such a big problem with this? This poster is telling the truth. Come on JT.
 
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Question is: If Dak is the franchise QB of the Dallas Cowboys, is $40-mil/year a bargain in the long run?

I think it is if he Dallas truly wants him.
It is a bargain, if he becomes what his most ardent fans believe he already is. If he falls short of that, it may not be a bargain, but it could still be worth it, as long as the team is good enough to allow him to simply not be bad.
 

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Actually I did read it.

or sign the biggest deal in NFL history.
There is no debate.
One or both will happen.

:lmao2::lmao::laugh::popcorn:

there is a huge debate he will never get the top pay a mahomes or true élite qb have gotten or will get..The fact is he would have already received it..Te DC didnt sign him in 2019 because he was asking to be the top 5 and the year the way he ended it and the team at 8-8 is why,

he will get paid in the wentz or Goff area ..thats who he is even on the open market fully free hes not getting more then Wilson ie 35..
 

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...so it's bias. So someone labeling Dak middling is accurate, all the other vitriolic defenses is based in irrational thought. He's on the level of Carr and Cousins. That's Dak on his best days.
It can be bias at times .Dak has good days and not so good days but more good than bad I’m not in agreement that he’s middling but your free to believe what you wish Dak will be fine when the cowboys fix the defense getting rid of Garrett improved the team

and there’s plenty of irrational thought on both sides of the argument to go around . You’re opinion on Dak is well known at least you’re consistent and that’s good

it’s a shame you’re going to be disappointed soon he will he playing behind Fredrick next year
 

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It's an odd thing on here. The ability to overrate some players off the spectrum and at the same time underrate players a few notches.

Sure, he's not gifted like Mahomes, but some got a handful of bad games stuck in their head from 2017 and can't let go.

Almost like the posters who hate on Heath from a play 7 years ago. "Remember Megatron and AP. herr derr"


Rivers at #2 is whack though for FA rankings though


Why are you buying into this LOVE or HATE thing. Why does critiquing Dak's faults make one a hating beech?

Are you SERIOUSLY telling me you never yelled at Dak the whole season? For what should be fundamentals? AND he turned down GREAT money for TOP dollar?

Stuck on a "handful of bad games from 2017"? Are you drunk? Not ONE bad game in 2019?

Come on...cut the bull sheet. You don't HAVE to want him totally gone...a few gripes have been earned.
 

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Yup its like his dramatic improvement this past year never happened in their eyes.

I used to be very critical of Dak because of his lack of consistency in accuracy and mechanics. And I don't any more. Why? Because he improved.

Heath struggles in pace with both coverage and pursuit. Great backup. Below average starter.
He did have a dramatic improvement, I agree...but then he regressed under pressure. If more time and training can get rid of his tendencies toward bad footwork and throwing behind receivers, and if he's more willing to run when it's the best option, he could be a very good QB.
 

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40 million?
That'll be a big fat no, for me.

Just like in the movies where a prince gives up his line to the throne because he fell in love. That will be J.Jones giving it all up for Dak. The Jones's will end up shelling out a billion dollars ( to players) in the next 8 yrs and still have no Superbowl rings to show for it.

SMH:facepalm:
You need to lay off the Lifetime movies, my friend. :laugh:
 

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The most telling thing is the tone between the two pieces.
One in August of last year(bottom) that notes Dak had two spotty season and the one last month (top) that denotes he will likely be the highest paid player in football and that not signing him would be wreckinjg the team.
Thus the difference 4900 yards passing with improved footwork and pocket presence can make.

Other notable thing he would be the top FA even without the improvement and must sign even then.
But the improvment likely means he signs the biggest deal in NFL history.

Maybe Jerry shoulda caved before letting Kellen call plays.....
All the fans that wanted him to prove it... cool now we can pay about 5m a year more.
Good job, good effort.
Maybe his effort to prove it is what caused the improvement. (That near rhyme was purely coincidental.)
 

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He did have a dramatic improvement, I agree...but then he regressed under pressure. If more time and training can get rid of his tendencies toward bad footwork and throwing behind receivers, and if he's more willing to run when it's the best option, he could be a very good QB.
:hammer:
 

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My problem is I don't think Dak is in their category. So IMO I don't care what Mahomes and Watson get, I don't think Dak is at their level. I wouldn't pay him anywhere near their contracts.
You are...OBVIOUSLY...a Dak hater and an ignorant fool about NFL football.
 

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He did have a dramatic improvement, I agree...but then he regressed under pressure. If more time and training can get rid of his tendencies toward bad footwork and throwing behind receivers, and if he's more willing to run when it's the best option, he could be a very good QB.


I also agree he COULD be a very good NFL QB. Not a flashy one.....like Mahomes or Jackson.

I do have to issue a warning to people infatuated with stats......Some QBs with way worse "stats" than Dak are still playing. Yep! Good question! Is it the QB or the teams fault? Tough questions. You have to try to unbias yourself....very difficult! It's a complicated equation. I say trust your eyes and heart, not your analytical brain. Stats are deceiving..here's proof:

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/passing.htm
 

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This seems like a contrary point of view to your previous post. I agree with him about Mahomes, though not so sure about Watson. To call someone a Dak hater because he doesn't consider him one of the top 5 QBs is just wrong.


I struggled with using an emoji or not. I wanted to see if your sarcasm meter twitched. I do not blame or judge you...but the was indeed sarcasm of a high order. :)
 

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Thought that was a possibility, hence the word "seems". :thumbup:


Indeed! I was attempting to make a point..to the "love or hate" crowd. You made a great point about the money. some of these same guys beech about paying Zeke...and yet....QB's with "worse" stats than Dak...are still playing football. Football and...LIFE....cannot be stuffed inside the box of statistics. Cognitive bias is the problem. I even quoted a romo hatin' Dak "lover" (a guy that doesn't want to hear ANY criticism AT ALL)...which could easily be applied to Dak as much as Romo.

And he doesn't even know it.

None of us are immune to it. But if you have enough data you can piece together some tendencies. Dak doesn;t have the MAIN stat to pay top dollar. What is....the "main stat"?
 

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Indeed! I was attempting to make a point..to the "love or hate" crowd. You made a great point about the money. some of these same guys beech about paying Zeke...and yet....QB's with "worse" stats than Dak...are still playing football. Football and...LIFE....cannot be stuffed inside the box of statistics. Cognitive bias is the problem. I even quoted a romo hatin' Dak "lover" (a guy that doesn't want to hear ANY criticism AT ALL)...which could easily be applied to Dak as much as Romo.

And he doesn't even know it.

None of us are immune to it. But if you have enough data you can piece together some tendencies. Dak doesn;t have the MAIN stat to pay top dollar. What is....the "main stat"?
Wins are the main stat. More specifically, playoff wins.
 

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If the Cowboys did not tag Dak and he became an Unrestricted Free Agent, many people believe he would be the #1 free agent on the market.

Here are a couple of articles about the concept, but there are others and there are media (not Cowboys media or fans) that believe Dak would get 40M per on the open market.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2019/12/05/first-glance-at-the-top-2020-free-agents/25/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...nts-in-2020-two-quarterbacks-lead-way-for-now

What if Dak were a Free Agent?

That's an interesting question. A good question for Jerry and the coaches to think about. Is Dak really a better value to other QBs available right now? Is he really the guy you'd be targeting?

Why not a Brees or Brady? Or a young, cheaper guy?
 

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If the Cowboys did not tag Dak and he became an Unrestricted Free Agent, many people believe he would be the #1 free agent on the market.

Here are a couple of articles about the concept, but there are others and there are media (not Cowboys media or fans) that believe Dak would get 40M per on the open market.

https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2019/12/05/first-glance-at-the-top-2020-free-agents/25/

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...nts-in-2020-two-quarterbacks-lead-way-for-now

In my opinion these are the most QB needy teams -
Cincy
Tampa
San Diego
Miami
Lions
Pats
Saints
Steelers
Titans
Raiders

My thoughts are - Cincy, Miami and the Lions are out of the FA QB market and look to improve in the draft especially since they all draft in the top 5.
Pats, Saints, Steelers, Chargers - depends on if their current starters retire or get released for younger blood.
Titans likely resign Tannehill.
Raiders probably keep Carr.

I think the only real market for Dak is Tampa and Dallas and I doubt Tampa will break the market for Dak.
 
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