Audio: JJT whispers from the Star 1/17

conner01

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Second round picks aren't what they used to be.

In a cap world you like to get value before that 2nd contract looms.

That's why i felt that the Jaylon Smith selection was so poor. By the time he got up to speed his 2nd contract decision had arrived and they really didn't get an opportunity to do a proper evaluation.

Not to mention the Cowboys could have used a serviceable or better player during that 13-3 run in 2016.

Drafting projects in the 2nd round are huge gambles that really shouldn't be taken if teams are thinking of competing immediately.

Looking at you Hill.

Meh, on to bigger and better things.
Had they held him to his contract the first year wouldn’t have counted
Heck Gregory is still a rookie lol
 

conner01

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Why do people always say this when one of these pie in the sky 2nd round picks that Dallas takes just bombs?

The second round should not be a round where you throw the dice on some underachieving slob. Teams that take the proven productive talent left after the first will benefit more often than not.

The 2020 All-Rookie 1st team had eight second rounders out of the twenty-eight (Jawaan Taylor, Sean Bunting, Erik McCoy, Dalton Risner, Miles Sanders, A.J. Brown, Elgton Jenkins, Juan Thornhill). That's more than 25% of the group. And that does not even include other impactful players taken in the round, including D.K. Metcalf, Taylor Rapp, Deebo Samuel and Nasir Adderley. Three of these players plus Thornhill were taken after Hill's pick.
In the cap era a second needs to be a day one starter
The draft is so much more important with the cap
You can’t pay everyone or buy a guy to fix every need
 

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I have no idea how intelligent he is, but there were definite warning signs he was soft. And if you look at him play, he is definitely soft. Both in flab and mind. Not an ounce of dog in him.

I think he gets one chance. If he can’t show up ready to go cut the chord. Enough with these types.
 

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I understand McClay does an overall good job but picks like Hill and Taco can't happen and someone needs held accountable.
Anyone will miss on players but really you should not be missing on 1st Rounders and high 2nd Rounders. These have to start
somewhere for you PERIOD
You don't understand.

All the good picks are because of McClay. All the bad picks are because of Rod and Jerry.

All the good play calls last year were because of Kellen Moore. All the bad calls were because JG got in his ear.

All the good throws last year were because of Dak. All the bad throws were because the line can't protect and the WRs suck at catching balls.

Welcome to Cowboys fandom. Pumping sunshine up your *** for the last 25 years.
 

JGRXXN

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Would somebody please tell Columbo to shut the hell up with this team loyalty crap.

Getting your job because of loyalty or who you are friends with went out the door with Clappy. Every coach failed in 2019, this was a 12-4 team that went 8-8 and was eliminated after losing to a rival’s practice squad.

Nobody deserves to stay after that, so Columbo can go cry me a river, the Country Club is officially closed.

exactly
 

Alexander

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Colombo being mad about loyalty is exactly why the last staff had to change.

If you don't perform at your job, then you should be let go--loyalty is not enough to keep you employed.
True, but did Colombo fail? That is debatable.

I guess he has yet to figure out that the loyalty phase is about your coaching network, not the owner trying to make your career.
 

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Colombo being mad about loyalty is exactly why the last staff had to change.

If you don't perform at your job, then you should be let go--loyalty is not enough to keep you employed.

I understand where you’re coming from, but I kinda understand where he’s coming from. This whole staff firing is all because Jerry couldn’t let go of his puppet Jason along with the fact that Jason essentially caused collateral damage to many coaches on that staff. Minus Lal, Richard, Rod, and Ben Bloom, I haven’t heard anyone else from the coaching staff that had issues with the players or other coaches (that includes Kitna, Gary Brown, Colombo, etc). So it’s kinda sad to see these people go because of the other inept coaches around him. It’s a business though, so they know what they signed up for. Hate the player not the game.
 

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I understand where you’re coming from, but I kinda understand where he’s coming from. This whole staff firing is all because Jerry couldn’t let go of his puppet Jason along with the fact that Jason essentially caused collateral damage to many coaches on that staff. Minus Lal, Richard, Rod, and Ben Bloom, I haven’t heard anyone else from the coaching staff that had issues with the players or other coaches (that includes Kitna, Gary Brown, Colombo, etc). So it’s kinda sad to see these people go because of the other inept coaches around him. It’s a business though, so they know what they signed up for. Hate the player not the game.

Exactly...……….it doesn't take Einstein to figure out that if the head coach gets the boot, the new guy is going to want to pick his own staff.

Every assistant coach on this team should have known they were most likely fired walking off the field in Philly.
 

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interesting in this week 01/17/20 Friday's version of Whispers from the Star per Jean Jacque Taylor- Jam Session:

- Kellen may have had too many "voices' in his ear during his 1st year as OC when things wasn't going as planned. Speculation that Garrett (passive-aggressive) may have been one of them.
while McCarthy likes K-Moore as an OC, he could keep Kellen on a short leach.

- There was never any considerations regarding Witten immediately being the new full time TE coach, maybe he needs to 'earn his stripe' first s as he moves up the ladder as an asst. coach
elsewhere. (quality control?) should coaching for McCarthy be anything serious. and it was peculiar seeing Witten do a lap run around Cowboys Stadium.
Was it a farewell lap ? and BTW last year was his lowest number of recs-yrds since rookie yr.

- Brad Nusseinmeher the new QB coach has a lot of coaching experience, he knew McCarthy, they thought he was a flat better pure coach than Kitna, he's been around as an offensive asst.as an OC
involved and worked with QBs, and had familiarity with Dak, Kellen, and the success of the offense may have played a part in Brad getting promoted to QB coach, which forced Kitna out the door.

- Trysten Hill - coming from two sources when asked if Hill showed anything at the end: one source says he did not do a G-Damn thang.- Knock on hill coming out was immature, don't always play hard,
and this source says Hill was same guy at the end as he was at the beginning .... while another source says he actually showed maturity and he kept coming back, he showed some swag,

- of all assist coaches let go, Columbo seem to be most upset. Kitna waited to hear what will happen, while Columbo asked McCarthy to meet with him. He was very disappointed that he was not
retained per outstanding OL performance in '19. and McCarthy could not even look him in the eyes during their meeting; questioned team loyalty. .

Who the hell is "Brad" Nussmeier?

You mean Doug?
 

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True, but did Colombo fail? That is debatable.

I guess he has yet to figure out that the loyalty phase is about your coaching network, not the owner trying to make your career.

I think run blocking left a lot to be desired
 

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I'm glad that Marinelli and Garrett ultimately paid the price for these mistakes with their jobs. But having said that, we are now totally without or 2017 1st round pick and thus far our 2019 2nd round pick. We can't get the 2017 pick back and it's lost for good and the jury is out on that 2019 pick but early returns aren't good and year 1 was a wasted one. Now the team and the new staff is left to pick up the pieces and try to recover from those huge misses. They have to "make up" for those losses, either through the upcoming draft or free agency. When you miss that badly, it really hurts and you need to put in considerable resources to make up for that.

You are so right. Way too bad we don't have a real GM football man running this organization. Talk about a novice trying to impersonate a GM.
 

dreghorn2

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Why do people always say this when one of these pie in the sky 2nd round picks that Dallas takes just bombs?

The second round should not be a round where you throw the dice on some underachieving slob. Teams that take the proven productive talent left after the first will benefit more often than not.

The 2020 All-Rookie 1st team had eight second rounders out of the twenty-eight (Jawaan Taylor, Sean Bunting, Erik McCoy, Dalton Risner, Miles Sanders, A.J. Brown, Elgton Jenkins, Juan Thornhill). That's more than 25% of the group. And that does not even include other impactful players taken in the round, including D.K. Metcalf, Taylor Rapp, Deebo Samuel and Nasir Adderley. Three of these players plus Thornhill were taken after Hill's pick.

I'm confused, did you read my post?
 

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I'm glad that Marinelli and Garrett ultimately paid the price for these mistakes with their jobs. But having said that, we are now totally without or 2017 1st round pick and thus far our 2019 2nd round pick. We can't get the 2017 pick back and it's lost for good and the jury is out on that 2019 pick but early returns aren't good and year 1 was a wasted one. Now the team and the new staff is left to pick up the pieces and try to recover from those huge misses. They have to "make up" for those losses, either through the upcoming draft or free agency. When you miss that badly, it really hurts and you need to put in considerable resources to make up for that.
They had good enough drafts to where the Hill and Taco picks didn’t hurt them.
 

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I'm glad that Marinelli and Garrett ultimately paid the price for these mistakes with their jobs. But having said that, we are now totally without or 2017 1st round pick and thus far our 2019 2nd round pick. We can't get the 2017 pick back and it's lost for good and the jury is out on that 2019 pick but early returns aren't good and year 1 was a wasted one. Now the team and the new staff is left to pick up the pieces and try to recover from those huge misses. They have to "make up" for those losses, either through the upcoming draft or free agency. When you miss that badly, it really hurts and you need to put in considerable resources to make up for that.
Too bad the fans had to pay the price for choices :(
 
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