What if Dak was a Free Agent?

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If you look at the contracts for Alex Smith, Foles and Kirk Cousins you can argue that any starting caliber QB is a commodity.
True. Just different levels of commodities.

Alex Smith is the guy most often compared to Dak---right or wrong.
Alr 23.5 mil per year for 4 years.
Obviously, Dallas would love to pay Dak that.
My guess is that Smith's age took a bite out of price.

Nick Foles got 22 mil/year

Most considered Cousins on a different level than those guys--again, right or wrong.
He got 3 years at 26 mil per year, but fully guaranteed

None of these are anywhere near the 35+ range that Dak is asking for.


but really, all it takes is one team to be enamored.

I'm having a hard time figuring what team it would be, but there really could be one out there willing to pay that.
Maybe Tampa Bay?
Hard to say
 

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That's the spirit.. :facepalm: Or maybe ... just maybe we get our near 5,000 yard passer better coaching/scheme and overall better team personnel and... attempt to improve?

4,900 yards passing isn't some feat.

He had 4 years to show improvement, he's as inconsistent as ever.
 

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If Dak were a free agent some other team would sign him, oh I don’t know which team. But that’s the way the NFL works, teams see and value players unlike a fan does, and thank goodness for that.
 

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My frustration has been in the Saints, Patriots, and last Eagles game in which the defense played above their heads but the offense let us down in scoring 10 points are less. Definitely not all Daks fault but he should shoulder some of the blame. 4th season in the league and its time to overcome this by now. and to be fair Zeke has gone AWOL in game but we already paid him.

A potential massive contract should be for a Qb that can overcome these types of games and thats why I want to see if MM can effect this type of change. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Don't let the few here change the foundations of football!
If a team is unable to score points the first fingers and the majority of them point to the QB!
Why do you think is the QB position the most expensive on the field?
 

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well I believe that poster was trying to convey if player like Tannehill can switch teams or even a Teddy Bridgwater who were average at best at their prior stops but look a lot better in different system with better coaching..

so instead of paying dak another average to above average QB 35mil go grab a Mariotta or similar for 19mil and with our offense ie Zeke/pollard, Oline and new staff we might not lose much..add improved STs and defense with the extra cash, well... ?

First off Bridgewater made it to the saints because of a very bad injury he got while with the vikings and the vikings didn't exercise his 5th year option so Bridgewater signed a 1 year deal with the jets but the jets feared he still had some issues with that injury and traded him to the saints who decided to give Bridgewater a chance. If Bridgewater had never had that injury he very well could still be their starting QB and Cousins wouldn't be.

Tannehill is 8 year vet that did nothing for his first seven seasons did little to nothing in Miami and then got hot for the titans this season

In both cases they were both traded for and with all of the help the Cowboys need they can't afford to waste draft picks on a gamble that in a new place an average QB will somehow jump to life and be a good QB, especially when most of the talk here is based on a dislike for Prescott which isn't shared by the Cowboys.
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If Dak was a fa I would love to see him fail on any team he went to... It would be so easy
Man this dood would pancake with no oline
 

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Dak ‘s yards in 2019 , and the cowboys offensive stats overall were largely gained a result of late game comeback attempts or garbage time , plus the massive number of pass attempts . This is why the team lost so many games . Dak’s stats can be deceiving. He is more mediocre than many think . The cowboys should draft a QB ASAP and maybe trade for someone like baker mayfield in a year or so .
 

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If Dak wasn’t a cowboy and was a free agent from another team and we was in the market
Fans would be screaming for jerry to go get him
Dak is getting signed and it won’t be 40 mil

Lol.

During the 2018 season, MANY people on this board were saying that there was NO WAY that Dak would get $25MM/yr, but that they'd be okay with him making $10-15MM.

Of course, we'll know what he signs for when he signs, but all signs point to $30-40MM/yr. The annual value is less important than the length of the contract and the guaranteed money. Reports are that Dak wants a shorter deal so that he can cash in twice, while the team wants a longer deal so that they can avoid escalating salaries over the long term. Whatever deal he signs, he'll probably be out of the top 10 in salary within 3 years.
 

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Lol.

During the 2018 season, MANY people on this board were saying that there was NO WAY that Dak would get $25MM/yr, but that they'd be okay with him making $10-15MM.

Of course, we'll know what he signs for when he signs, but all signs point to $30-40MM/yr. The annual value is less important than the length of the contract and the guaranteed money. Reports are that Dak wants a shorter deal so that he can cash in twice, while the team wants a longer deal so that they can avoid escalating salaries over the long term. Whatever deal he signs, he'll probably be out of the top 10 in salary within 3 years.
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First off Bridgewater made it to the saints because of a very bad injury he got while with the vikings and the vikings didn't exercise his 5th year option so Bridgewater signed a 1 year deal with the jets but the jets feared he still had some issues with that injury and traded him to the saints who decided to give Bridgewater a chance. If Bridgewater had never had that injury he very well could still be their starting QB and Cousins wouldn't be.

Tannehill is 8 year vet that did nothing for his first seven seasons did little to nothing in Miami and then got hot for the titans this season

In both cases they were both traded for and with all of the help the Cowboys need they can't afford to waste draft picks on a gamble that in a new place an average QB will somehow jump to life and be a good QB, especially when most of the talk here is based on a dislike for Prescott which isn't shared by the Cowboys.
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I disagree TB was a JAG when healthy got hurt and had time to develop a bit better with time and better coaching..im just saying there are options other then paying Dak 36mil or more when Dak at best has been above average..stop using those 16 game stats that are padded by bad teams..

I look at the biggest games down the stretch against better defenses when the pressure was on, he looked very average at best if not a total regression to below AVERAGE IN SOME GAMES..

theres always options , its a risk but so is giving your starting QB Elite money for average results..I prefer dak comes to his senses and realizes this is the best place for him take the 32-33 he was offered with ateam friendly years and prove further he can be elite.. the DC can use the money on defense and ST which helps his cause..if not

FT Dak, get a journeymen in case he holds out and yes draft a Jhurts type in the 4th and call his bluff..
 

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I disagree TB was a JAG when healthy got hurt and had time to develop a bit better with time and better coaching..im just saying there are options other then paying Dak 36mil or more when Dak at best has been above average..stop using those 16 game stats that are padded by bad teams..

I look at the biggest games down the stretch against better defenses when the pressure was on, he looked very average at best if not a total regression to below AVERAGE IN SOME GAMES..

theres always options , its a risk but so is giving your starting QB Elite money for average results..I prefer dak comes to his senses and realizes this is the best place for him take the 32-33 he was offered with ateam friendly years and prove further he can be elite.. the DC can use the money on defense and ST which helps his cause..if not

FT Dak, get a journeymen in case he holds out and yes draft a Jhurts type in the 4th and call his bluff..

First off I don't think the Cowboys agree with your assumption that Prescott is average at best. The 40 mil a year figure is pie in the ski numbers and I seriously doubt it ever was/is a serious number. From everything I've read or heard Prescott turned down the 33 mill a year contract because it was 5 years and he wants a 3 year to coincide with the new TV contracts.

Think about what you're saying. You say Prescott is an average QB at best and you want to then sign some journeyman QB that won't be any better and maybe worse and then you say drasft another QB in the 4th round which was the same round as Prescott and you think that QB will be the answer.

My answer to your ideas is that I thank God you have nothing to do with the Cowboys players anything.
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First off I don't think the Cowboys agree with your assumption that Prescott is average at best. The 40 mil a year figure is pie in the ski numbers and I seriously doubt it ever was/is a serious number. From everything I've read or heard Prescott turned down the 33 mill a year contract because it was 5 years and he wants a 3 year to coincide with the new TV contracts.

Think about what you're saying. You say Prescott is an average QB at best and you want to then sign some journeyman QB that won't be any better and maybe worse and then you say drasft another QB in the 4th round which was the same round as Prescott and you think that QB will be the answer.

My answer to your ideas is that I thank God you have nothing to do with the Cowboys players anything.
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man are you thick someone close to Daks production at HALF THE COST is simply an option or a b/up plan if you will.AND YES DAKS SHOWN TO BE AVERAGE AGSINT THE BETTER COMPETITION down the stretch.. it was obvious when under the most pressure I the biggest moments he faltered..im not hating ive been supporting dak from the fence not hater nor a homer, realists eyes wide open.. Ne, Buff, CHI, and the second philly game plus regardless sof injury the Rams game was bailed out by the run game....

Dak and his agents are being ridiculous to turn down the deal at 33 because of years.. he unlike some players at QB has maybe one possibly twio contracts coming after this one.. if he turns into what they are in their own minds before the deal is up Jerry isnt cheap and will redo the deal 3-4 years from now..the 6 years is team friendly helps them allocate monies now to make the players around him beter plus insurance should dak continue to loom as he did the last 6 weeks of the season..

i'm sorry but you HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN.

MY INTERNET GM SKILLS is saying you must not let Dak strongarm you into a deal that he simply doesnt deserve, hes not élite and wants elite money, you FT him with NON Exclusive type let him seek deals and match get picks and let him walk,. we should Have all along had a case keenum or fitz type backup but now more then ever we need one for insurance and as a bridge..

you want an example last year Big ben goes out Conner for most of the year the backup gets hurt and the steelers use a practice squad QB with string defense and goo ST and great coaching job to limp to an 8-8 record..

we go 8- with relatively healthy team around dak and what, he blows it down the stretch, he didnt have one game where he willed us to a win or we win the decision and make the payoffs.. so now we pay this player his demands and possibly cripple our team??

im saying fans need to see this has been an issue Dak may have peaked and hes inconsistent hes had thes stretches' in 2017 , 2018 and now to finish 2019 where he regresses for 3-4 games..all qbs have a bad day or two but I witnessed this and lie I said those other years we were missing players this season he did it with a pretty healthy team..

thers a reason players like Fitzpatirck and Keenum as well as others are backups its because they play great 70% of the time but they are being judged on the other 30% which make them very inconsistent, Daks showing that type of play right now , great in stretches beats the easer teams on the 2019 schedule but when it got tough he wilted..you want to pay a player like that 20% of your cap?

so he turns down a very fair offer tells me his ego and the people in his ear are puffing him up as deserving of Elite money and its not the truth..
 

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man are you thick someone close to Daks production at HALF THE COST is simply an option or a b/up plan if you will.AND YES DAKS SHOWN TO BE AVERAGE AGSINT THE BETTER COMPETITION down the stretch.. it was obvious when under the most pressure I the biggest moments he faltered..im not hating ive been supporting dak from the fence not hater nor a homer, realists eyes wide open.. Ne, Buff, CHI, and the second philly game plus regardless sof injury the Rams game was bailed out by the run game....

Dak and his agents are being ridiculous to turn down the deal at 33 because of years.. he unlike some players at QB has maybe one possibly twio contracts coming after this one.. if he turns into what they are in their own minds before the deal is up Jerry isnt cheap and will redo the deal 3-4 years from now..the 6 years is team friendly helps them allocate monies now to make the players around him beter plus insurance should dak continue to loom as he did the last 6 weeks of the season..

i'm sorry but you HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN.

MY INTERNET GM SKILLS is saying you must not let Dak strongarm you into a deal that he simply doesnt deserve, hes not élite and wants elite money, you FT him with NON Exclusive type let him seek deals and match get picks and let him walk,. we should Have all along had a case keenum or fitz type backup but now more then ever we need one for insurance and as a bridge..

you want an example last year Big ben goes out Conner for most of the year the backup gets hurt and the steelers use a practice squad QB with string defense and goo ST and great coaching job to limp to an 8-8 record..

we go 8- with relatively healthy team around dak and what, he blows it down the stretch, he didnt have one game where he willed us to a win or we win the decision and make the payoffs.. so now we pay this player his demands and possibly cripple our team??

im saying fans need to see this has been an issue Dak may have peaked and hes inconsistent hes had thes stretches' in 2017 , 2018 and now to finish 2019 where he regresses for 3-4 games..all qbs have a bad day or two but I witnessed this and lie I said those other years we were missing players this season he did it with a pretty healthy team..

thers a reason players like Fitzpatirck and Keenum as well as others are backups its because they play great 70% of the time but they are being judged on the other 30% which make them very inconsistent, Daks showing that type of play right now , great in stretches beats the easer teams on the 2019 schedule but when it got tough he wilted..you want to pay a player like that 20% of your cap?

so he turns down a very fair offer tells me his ego and the people in his ear are puffing him up as deserving of Elite money and its not the truth..

You are right that the Cowboys have to have a plan. They just don't HAVE TO use YOUR plan and ASSESSMENTS. Your plan is to just tag the Cowboys starting QB and because you are certain that he won't sign that tag because you think it's about the money and to sign a journeyman QB who on his very best days may be average at best and then draft another QB. All of this setting things back 2 -5 years. Gee now will I believe the assessments made by professionals or the rantings of a "fan" who from his couch plays wannabe GM. Lets see I think I'll go with professionals. It's funny, not ha ha funny, that actual former GM's that now are on TV have said how much improvement Prescott has made and I haven't heard or read that any of them say the Cowboys should do your plan. They all seem to think like the Cowboys have said publicly that signing Prescott to a long term contract is their top priority.

Also instead of playing wannabe GM you should pay a little more attention to what has actually happened. Prescott turned down the Cowboys last offer for 34 mil a year not because of the money but because it was for 5 years and Prescott only wants a 3 year deal to coincide with the new TV deals. Maybe you should find a new hobby.
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You are right that the Cowboys have to have a plan. They just don't HAVE TO use YOUR plan and ASSESSMENTS. Your plan is to just tag the Cowboys starting QB and because you are certain that he won't sign that tag because you think it's about the money and to sign a journeyman QB who on his very best days may be average at best and then draft another QB. All of this setting things back 2 -5 years. Gee now will I believe the assessments made by professionals or the rantings of a "fan" who from his couch plays wannabe GM. Lets see I think I'll go with professionals. It's funny, not ha ha funny, that actual former GM's that now are on TV have said how much improvement Prescott has made and I haven't heard or read that any of them say the Cowboys should do your plan. They all seem to think like the Cowboys have said publicly that signing Prescott to a long term contract is their top priority.

Also instead of playing wannabe GM you should pay a little more attention to what has actually happened. Prescott turned down the Cowboys last offer for 34 mil a year not because of the money but because it was for 5 years and Prescott only wants a 3 year deal to coincide with the new TV deals. Maybe you should find a new hobby.
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the eagles wouldn't have a SB if they follow your plan, they Paid foles BIG to stay and it paid off..then paid wentz and it hasn't.. maybe it will but you best have plan just in case..
 

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the eagles wouldn't have a SB if they follow your plan, they Paid foles BIG to stay and it paid off..then paid wentz and it hasn't.. maybe it will but you best have plan just in case..

If Foles is your big example then you sure blew it. Foles drafted by the eagles in 2012 in the 3rd round traded was traded to the rams after the 3rd season of a 4 season rookie contract because the eagles didn't see him as the future QB. After just a single losing season the rams drafted Goff and before training camp Foles was released. Second team in 2 that Foles lost starting job. Next up he signed with the chiefs as their backup on a 2 year contract but the 2nd year was voidable by the chiefs. He got into a couple of games because of a concussion to Alex Smith but when Smith was able to return went back to the bench and after the season the chiefs did void the 2nd year and he was cut again. So then Foles went back to the eagles as their backup QB on a 2 year deal. He had a really good span of 5 games that included the Super Bowl they won because Wentz was injured. After the 2018 season Foles exercised an option to get release because he wanted another crack art being a starter. He signed with the jaguars but thus became the 3rd team he lost his starting job. So Fioles entire career he either lost starting jobs or was signed as a backup QB and you like some other people hang your hats on a little 5 game stretch where he got to the Super Bowl and overlook the fact that he has failed every place he's been. Wow, and that was your example. BTW what and how Foles got to his 2nd stint with the eagles has less than ZERO to do with your plan and Prescott. Wentz hadn't just played out the last year of his contract and about to get tagged. The eagles signed Foles because they NEEDED a backup QB. Just give it up that your plan sucks and many thank God the Cowboys won't use it.
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None of these are anywhere near the 35+ range that Dak is asking for.

Sure, but the difference is that Dak is QB that a team would never let walk in the first place. Those three guys were all OK but not worth big money to their original teams.
 

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The eagles signed Foles because they NEEDED a backup QB.

Exactly, Foles made 4 Million that year. They were paying the going rate for an experienced backup but nothing close to a starter's salary.
 

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Sure, but the difference is that Dak is QB that a team would never let walk in the first place. Those three guys were all OK but not worth big money to their original teams.
Highly debatable between Dak and Cousins, league-wide.
I won't debate it, but just saying. And many think Cousins was even overpaid.

But in the end, as I've been saying all along, Dak is going to get paid big-time.
 
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