What does a hybrid offense look like from last year to West Coast

Whirlwin · Jan 18, 2020

You just can’t have. West Coast offense without great tight ends

MysteryIceGuro · Jan 18, 2020

Whyjerry said:
Run based?

They shouldn’t have hired McCarthy then. Why does Dak have to be Mahomes? Nobody is Mahomes. In fact, talent wise, few in the history of the league have had Mahomes’ ability.

Look at Dak’s stats this year. Best season he has had. Now he will have a real coaching staff. He will be more than fine.

He doesn’t have to be Mahomes, but he at least has to be somewhat like Mahomes. Good accuracy, good arm, can lead teams from deficits. We don’t have that. It’s not going to work the way we imagine it will. He hasn’t had a comeback since 2018.

Dak’s stats were inflated this year. Romo had similar stats way back when and went 8-8 that year as well. I hope he will be more than fine, but we will have to fine tune some things when we can’t get things going with Dak. We need to run our team like the Vikings use Cousins or the 49ers use Garappolo. Play action is the only thing Dak is truly successful in. Without play action, he falters. Asking him to do plays somewhat like the Chiefs may be a bit too much for him. However, we will see when the season starts.

The Fonz · Jan 18, 2020

JW82 said:
It’ll be fun to find out. My first inclination is it will be tough to defend, if only for the reason that no one’s seen it.

We have been saying that every year at this time and look at the result.
you need players dedication and execution .

DogFace · Jan 18, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Its designed to stretch the field horizontally. It uses a lot short quick passes in place of a running game. Meaning we should see more rub routes, more WR screens, and passes to the RB on the flat. There should be more drags and slants as well. The WCO puts more emphases on run after the catch and route combinations. There will be a lot of one read pass plays were the other recievers aren't running routes ( they'll never present themselves to the QB as a target ). They'll run clear outs or run to their individual blocking assignments.

Garrett ran a timing and option system. Timing is where the QB isn't throwing to the reciever, he was throwing it to a spot on the field. The WR/ QB options were rwad play. If the defensive player is playing you inside run a quick out. If he's playing you deep run a hook route. In the huddle the QB would say Y-check. That just means lets line-up then the QB will signal to the Y receiver what route he should run, based off his pre-snap read.

But in todays pass happy NFL all offenses incorporate a little of all the other offenses plays and schemes into their mix. So the lines between this offense and that offense don't really exist anymore. Its more about play calling. The Cowboys had all of the WestCoast style plays in their playbook. But they didn't call those plays probably because they didn't even practice them. Because as we all know you call what you practice.

Thanks. That’s what I’ve been asking for.

percyhoward · Jan 18, 2020

AmariChill said:
Play action is the only thing Dak is truly successful in. Without play action, he falters.

He was top 5.

2019 passer rating
without play action
(min 300 att)
1 Brees 110.5
2 Mahomes 105.4
3 Wilson 109.7
4 Garoppolo 98.5
5 Prescott 98.4
6 Carr 97.9
7 Watson 97.5
8 Cousins 97.2
9 Rodgers 96.9
10 Ryan 91.2

Techsass · Jan 18, 2020

I think MM spent a lot of his down time revamping his plays & I can't see him just dropping them.

I don't really know much about MM, but he's supposed to be excellent at developing QBs which should also help.

MysteryIceGuro · Jan 18, 2020

percyhoward said:
He was top 5.

2019 passer rating
without play action
(min 300 att)
1 Brees 110.5
2 Mahomes 105.4
3 Wilson 109.7
4 Garoppolo 98.5
5 Prescott 98.4
6 Carr 97.9
7 Watson 97.5
8 Cousins 97.2
9 Rodgers 96.9
10 Ryan 91.2

again, this is built off of garbage time stats and getting bailed out by his receivers. He will falter as I said before. It is only a matter of time before everyone realizes.

Whyjerry · Jan 18, 2020

AmariChill said:
He doesn’t have to be Mahomes, but he at least has to be somewhat like Mahomes. Good accuracy, good arm, can lead teams from deficits. We don’t have that. It’s not going to work the way we imagine it will. He hasn’t had a comeback since 2018.

Dak’s stats were inflated this year. Romo had similar stats way back when and went 8-8 that year as well. I hope he will be more than fine, but we will have to fine tune some things when we can’t get things going with Dak. We need to run our team like the Vikings use Cousins or the 49ers use Garappolo. Play action is the only thing Dak is truly successful in. Without play action, he falters. Asking him to do plays somewhat like the Chiefs may be a bit too much for him. However, we will see when the season starts.

I think you are one my favorite posters here. I agree with you 95 pct of the time. Your dislike for Dak is just wrong. He is much, much better than you think.

Whyjerry · Jan 18, 2020

percyhoward said:
He was top 5.

2019 passer rating
without play action
(min 300 att)
1 Brees 110.5
2 Mahomes 105.4
3 Wilson 109.7
4 Garoppolo 98.5
5 Prescott 98.4
6 Carr 97.9
7 Watson 97.5
8 Cousins 97.2
9 Rodgers 96.9
10 Ryan 91.2

Prescott is very good. I can’t understand the hate for the guy.

percyhoward · Jan 18, 2020

AmariChill said:
again, this is built off of garbage time stats and getting bailed out by his receivers. He will falter as I said before. It is only a matter of time before everyone realizes.

Except that his receivers led the league in drops, so they were letting him down at least as often as they were bailing him out.

The other thing is, that's based on 300+ attempts, so it would be hard to argue that garbage time was much of a factor.

If you've got any proof that backs up what you're saying, why wouldn't you post it?

phildadon86 · Jan 18, 2020

AmariChill said:
.... that’s not gonna fit here. Dak isn’t capable of putting up points like Mahomes. We need a run based offense. Like the Titans. That’s who we need to follow IMO. That’s how this team is going to be built.

Dak was just behind mahomes in most stats this season. So what on earth are you talking about? I’m not saying Dak is mahomes by any stretch. No one is. But to say he’s not capable of putting up points is a joke in itself when he proved this season he can. Mahomes also didn’t have to play on the disaster of a hierarchy Dak did this season. Coaches fighting no contract extension etc.

phildadon86 · Jan 18, 2020

AmariChill said:
again, this is built off of garbage time stats and getting bailed out by his receivers. He will falter as I said before. It is only a matter of time before everyone realizes.

Lol and mahomes also padded his overall stats in blowouts. Lol you’re clueless my friend

MysteryIceGuro · Jan 18, 2020

phildadon86 said:
Lol and mahomes also padded his overall stats in blowouts. Lol you’re clueless my friend

Difference. Mahomes was winning the games. Dak can pad his stats whenever, as long as the game is in the bag. However, he only did that in the first 3 games of the season. Afterwards, no such thing occurred. I’m not clueless, I’m just not falling for the Dak train like the rest of you. I fail to see how that makes me clueless. Just because I don’t like a QB that can’t get it done when he had one of the best WR cores, one of the best o-lines, and one of best RB’s in the league...?

phildadon86 · Jan 18, 2020

AmariChill said:
Difference. Mahomes was winning the games. Dak can pad his stats whenever, as long as the game is in the bag. However, he only did that in the first 3 games of the season. Afterwards, no such thing occurred. I’m not clueless, I’m just not falling for the Dak train like the rest of you. I fail to see how that makes me clueless. Just because I don’t like a QB that can’t get it done when he had one of the best WR cores, one of the best o-lines, and one of best RB’s in the league...?

Minnesota game he was padding stats? How about the rams game? And those losses were all on him? Or did the defense and special teams didn’t? Give me a break. Bailed out by his receivers? Do you watch football ? How many touchdowns does mahomes get because of Hill being faster than everyone else? Every quarterback gets bailed out by their receivers . Mahomes also has a good oline top wideouts and pretty good running backs. Difference is he also has a hell of a coach. Which Dak did not. So why not save your opinions until after next year.

MysteryIceGuro · Jan 18, 2020

phildadon86 said:
Minnesota game he was padding stats? How about the rams game? And those losses were all on him? Or did the defense and special teams didn’t? Give me a break

Rams game had more to do with the run than anything. We destroyed them with the run. Dak didn’t really do much besides that long TD by Austin. I’ll give you the Minny game, he was on fire in that game and against the Lions. Besides that, no. The defense and special teams were garbage, but so was the offense 3/4 of the game.

phildadon86 · Jan 18, 2020

AmariChill said:
Rams game had more to do with the run than anything. We destroyed them with the run. Dak didn’t really do much besides that long TD by Austin. I’ll give you the Minny game, he was on fire in that game and against the Lions. Besides that, no. The defense and special teams were garbage, but so was the offense 3/4 of the game.

Lol so besides that long TD to Austin he doesn’t count. Ok buddy. And what about the first 3 games? He went to crap after the pats game when Jerry called our everyone. Dak was the only one showing heart all year. Playing hurt. Playing without a contract. And you’re going to bash him?

JayFord · Jan 18, 2020

This offense will look like the early 2000 eagles

pollard will be used like brian westbrook and Elliott will be used like Correll Buckhalter and there will be a crap ton of screens then 2 or three long passes once the D commits to stopping the run and yac

blueblood70 · Jan 18, 2020

Parcells4Life said:
A hybrid defense is obviously easy to figure out because it’s more personnel based but what does a hybrid of Moore/Garrett vertical attack look like with West Coast?

More drag routes/slants with verticals in behind?

How’s the run game a hybrid with MM confirming there will be a zone blocking scheme?

look at the Chiefs Reid has morphed it to fit new looks to fit his talent, why not MM?

BTW you realize NO ONE will know this until game 1-5 as they unveil it..you think all this public talk is the truth as if they will let the upcoming opponent's or the fans what exactly they are doing?

reality check they will NOT..they will keep everyone guessing..it the way id want it

blueblood70 · Jan 18, 2020

GMO415 said:
NE has been running it the past few seasons. EzE will be the new James White.

no pollard is white and they wish they had a EE vs Michel the RBBC didnt work for NE this season and it left the offense looking stale and bad..

MysteryIceGuro · Jan 18, 2020

phildadon86 said:
Lol so besides that long TD to Austin he doesn’t count. Ok buddy. And what about the first 3 games? He went to crap after the pats game when Jerry called our everyone. Dak was the only one showing heart all year. Playing hurt. Playing without a contract. And you’re going to bash him?

If you look in my OG post, I gave him credit for the first 3 games. I even said besides the first 3 games, he didn’t really “pad” his stats in blowouts. Go back and read it.

Also, no one told him to play injured. He knew how bad it effected him and he still hindered the team. I get Rush sucks, but is a 100% Rush really worse than a 25% Dak? Did you see that Eagles game? He missed wide open receivers. Even if it didn’t mess with him physically, he was clearly bothered mentally.

Yeah, he went to crap after the Pats game. You said it yourself. And that’s a good thing to you? He wasn’t injured in the Pats game. Wasn’t injured in the Bills game. Wasn’t injured in the Bears game. He was just bad. What’s his excuse? So what if Jerry talked trash? Maybe had they not played so many bad games before the Pats game that wouldn’t of happen. If he played with so much “heart” we wouldn’t of lost so badly to the Bills or Bears.

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