More or less haters. Dak vs Romo

DeathMonkey said:

A stout defense helps too.

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That too.

And you know at one point Garrett for all his flaws had a perfect recipe for winning. Keep the defense off the field. I don't know what happened to that philosophy but it went out the window and never came back.

romothesavior said:

The hate for Romo was 10x worse than the "hate" for Dak.

And it was fueled by a BS media narrative that far too many of our own fans bought into.

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The BS Media narrative is actually the reason for our fan base to buy into the DaDark lovefest

Whirlwin said:

Please don’t start with the no defense for Romo

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Why not? Because it is a fact you don't want to hear? I do not hate either Dak or Romo. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Both (to date) have had to deal with Garrett and his deficiencies. I am happy as a Cowboy fan to have both of them play for this team.

That said, it is a fact that in Romo's 9 years as a starter he only twice had a defense that finished better than 15th in points allowed, and in yards allowed they only finished in the top 10 three times (his first three years). These are facts. The years we struggled at 8-8 our defense was ranked 16th, 24th, and 26th. We complain about last year's defense yet they gave up less points than any year Romo was a starter.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/index.htm

I did not bring that up to bash Dak, or "hate" on Dak. The issues with this team last year were not him (though I believe he is not without some blame). I bring them up because it happened, nothing more. Not wanting to hear about it doesn't change it.

While we are on the topic. You mention hating Romo because of all the years he lost to Philly in the last game (it was only once by the way), so how do you feel about Dak's last performance against Philly with the playoffs on the line? 25-44 for 265 yards and a 74.5 rate? Or how about his 21-34 for 181 yards two interceptions (51.2 rate) in a must win game against Seattle to make the playoff's two years earlier? If you hate Romo for his bad games why does Dak get a pass? Both of them had bad games, should we not hold both to the same standard?

Both QB's basically have identical numbers through their first 4 seasons as a starter. Romo made the playoffs 3 times (1-3) , Dak twice (1-2). Regular season (first 64 games): Dak 40-24, Romo 41-23. Both made the pro-bowl twice. Right now there really isn't much to "hate" one over the other if you look at it from the same point in both their careers. Romo improved, (sure he couldn't get to the Superbowl - which to me has more to do with things other than Romo) and, I believe, Dak will too.

Hopefully replacing Garrett (6 years too late) will finally allow this team (and QB) to get somewhere we haven't seen in a long, long time.

irishline said:

Why not? Because it is a fact you don't want to hear? I do not hate either Dak or Romo. Both have their strengths and weaknesses. Both (to date) have had to deal with Garrett and his deficiencies. I am happy as a Cowboy fan to have both of them play for this team.

That said, it is a fact that in Romo's 9 years as a starter he only twice had a defense that finished better than 15th in points allowed, and in yards allowed they only finished in the top 10 three times (his first three years). These are facts. The years we struggled at 8-8 our defense was ranked 16th, 24th, and 26th. We complain about last year's defense yet they gave up less points than any year Romo was a starter.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/index.htm

I did not bring that up to bash Dak, or "hate" on Dak. The issues with this team last year were not him (though I believe he is not without some blame). I bring them up because it happened, nothing more. Not wanting to hear about it doesn't change it.

While we are on the topic. You mention hating Romo because of all the years he lost to Philly in the last game (it was only once by the way), so how do you feel about Dak's last performance against Philly with the playoffs on the line? 25-44 for 265 yards and a 74.5 rate? Or how about his 21-34 for 181 yards two interceptions (51.2 rate) in a must win game against Seattle to make the playoff's two years earlier? If you hate Romo for his bad games why does Dak get a pass? Both of them had bad games, should we not hold both to the same standard?

Both QB's basically have identical numbers through their first 4 seasons as a starter. Romo made the playoffs 3 times (1-3) , Dak twice (1-2). Regular season (first 64 games): Dak 40-24, Romo 41-23. Both made the pro-bowl twice. Right now there really isn't much to "hate" one over the other if you look at it from the same point in both their careers. Romo improved, (sure he couldn't get to the Superbowl - which to me has more to do with things other than Romo) and, I believe, Dak will too.

Hopefully replacing Garrett (6 years too late) will finally allow this team (and QB) to get somewhere we haven't seen in a long, long time.

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Because defense is not the reason he didn’t win a championship. Make no mistake about that

Whirlwin said:

The love. The hate . You just can’t compare it. There’s different reasons why some hate Prescott. How dare he take over for the great Tony Romo. If you didn’t like Tony. It was because you didn’t like his performance. People didn’t like Prescott from the beginning.

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You are so correct on this point, but you have to admit that those same reasons that a large number of his fans have rallied to his cause also. Yes, there are a great number of people (me included) that were very disappointed in the way the Cowboys failed to give #9 a chance with the team that was build for him, a team that many of of thought should have been in the Superbowl. Those folks who didn't and don't like/hate (or love) #4 for reasons outside football are simply ignorant and will never change, no matter what.
Don't generalize all the dislike/hate/disbelief in #4 for some "unstated" reason.
As for the all the hate for #9 being due to performance, that too is a falsehood. There were a large number of this fanbase who hated him as much if not more simply because he wasn't a big name before becoming the starter for "their" team. How could an UFA be the leader of America's Team. He wasn't even a Heisman candidate or a Div I football player, he had no business being the QB of the Dallas (feakin') Cowboys!!

Red Dragon said:

The hate that Dak's gotten thus far hasn't even reached 1/3 the level that Romo has and is still enduring.

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Fixed since the guy is still getting nonsense that has nothing to do with Dallas Cowboys football.

Romo has way more. Dak haters are few and easy to spot because of the tin foil hats.

glimmerman said:

I remember going through this when Romo was QB. A lot liked him and was happy to have him as our franchise QB and a lot hated him because he had “those games”.

When Romo got paid so many acted like it was the end of the world because he got blockbuster deals and was locked in as our QB.

Now we are going through this with Dak and some acting like he is going to get over paid and is average, no matter what the stats say.

Do you think there is more or less or about the same amount of haters and lovers for Dak that there was for Romo. And why do you think this is a different situation.

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The further away Tony gets from his career the more he is beloved not just by Cowboy fans but NFL fans because he is a phenomena in the booth. I hear people talk about him all he time in glowing terms Also I think most fans realize when he want hurt his last three years the game had slowed down for him and he was a solid franchise quarterback.

Should’ve been the leagues MVP in 2014.

Sadly Jerry never gave him the defenses or offensive lines he needed at the same time and he just couldn't carry a team by himself like Mahomes or Russell Wilson or Rodgers. He just wasn’t that guy.

Dak is now under the gun and therefore is more criticized. it’s just the nature of the most scrutinized position in sports. Dak’s added pressure however is having a pretty talented team on both sides of the ball. The pressure will ramp up even more now that Garrett is gone.

Dak will have to win people over with at least a Championship game and the longer he goes without one the worse it’s gonna get for him and the harder it’s going to be.

Whirlwin said:

The love. The hate . You just can’t compare it. There’s different reasons why some hate Prescott. How dare he take over for the great Tony Romo. If you didn’t like Tony. It was because you didn’t like his performance. People didn’t like Prescott from the beginning.

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People didn’t like Prescott from the beginning? Did you sleep through 2016?
The season both he an Elliott had as rookies is what I feel leads to the most negative feelings today.
In many fans eyes, despite the numbers etc...
Prescott has regressed since his rookie season.

Now for my 2 cents worth on the matter of Romo vs Dak...
How many of you think that Romo would not have been able to get at least one win against the Jets, Pats, Bills, Bears or banged up Eagles?

This board will inevitably hate Dak more once he is paid. It follows the same pattern, Zeke, Dlaw, Jsmith, and soon Dak. I give Romo the edge because he was paid and every incompletion was proof he was “undeserving”

Romo had more haters. He was vilified and a lot of personal abuse was dished out his way which was out of line.

I genuinely do not see or hear much hate towards Prescott at all. People merely highlight aspects of his game that they question. An individual having an opinion is not being a hater. I haven't read personal abuse aimed at him so I don't understand why people think there's more hate aimed at Prescott when Romo had an entire separate forum where the abuse was stored!

I think most of the anger/supposed hatred towards Romo stems from people concentrating on his early days and demeanour/outlook. That's fair enough as everyone is entitled to their opinion. I actually think of Romo far more from 2011 onwards when he had three excellent seasons (borderline league MVP in 2014) and one season sandwiched in between where he was asked to do far too much. The guy literally broke his back for the franchise. If Prescott stays on then perhaps he can change the narrative that people like I have of him - durable, solid bus driver but not worth the figures being touted around.

Up to people if they dislike someone, we can all develop our own opinion(s) for various reasons but the personal abuse should stay out of the equation.

Blue64 said:

People didn’t like Prescott from the beginning? Did you sleep through 2016?
The season both he an Elliott had as rookies is what I feel leads to the most negative feelings today.
In many fans eyes, despite the numbers etc...
Prescott has regressed since his rookie season.

Now for my 2 cents worth on the matter of Romo vs Dak...
How many of you think that Romo would not have been able to get at least one win against the Jets, Pats, Bills, Bears or banged up Eagles?

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Your Babel is ridiculous

Cowboysheelsreds053 said:

Was at that game myself, we had way more boys fans at the stadium that day and both times when the tuna came there 2 years in a row.

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Aside from RFK stadium (where I'm located) that was my first away game. Going through the parking lot I was shocked at all the Cowboy jerseys. The 2 other guys and I rolled up on a Cowboy tailgate party and were invited to a Sambuca shot (also a first for me!). Great times!

Idgit said:

Romo has way more. Dak haters are few and easy to spot because of the tin foil hats.

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20% had this as their sigs....they called themselves, "Realists"

glimmerman said:

Not sure bro. I see a lot of hate. Lol.

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Remember the old DC forums? They literally had to build a Romo Room because every thread was a war between people that thought Romo sucked and those that understood football.

nate dizzle said:

Remember the old DC forums? They literally had to build a Romo Room because every thread was a war between people that thought Romo sucked and those that understood football.

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Lol. I remember. I think it was a whole sub-forum..

glimmerman said:

Lol. I remember. I think it was a whole sub-forum..

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It was. This place is heading in that direction. Can't talk about any other player or part of the team without it devolving into a Dak thread.

PAPPYDOG said:

No hate so get off that band-wagon!
Just accountability of our reality and as a fan of our team for many years what I'm seeing on the field is 1 player holding us back from any possible glory.
That player's name is Dak Prescott and carrying him is destroying any chance of glory and wasting our talented players present and future!
Enough already as no 1 player is worth the tarnishment of the STAR!!!!

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I've been a Cowboys fan since their first day of existence and I remember people saying the very same thing about Romo. What you're calling accountability is just another word for hating. Here's what happened to Romo. People cheered when Romo went in to start the 2nd half of that giants game and then the haters started right after his first pass was a pick and kept going though out the rest of his career. Immediately after that game there were people that started with there was a reason he went undrafted and we just saw why. Through out Romo's career after becoming the starter people would say when the Cowboys needed a win Romo failed them but during Romo's years as a starter Romo pulled off more 4th quarter wins than any other QB during that same time period. As good as that sounds the defense during that same time period gave up more leads in the 4th quarter than any other team. So the haters then blamed Romo for everything and never once considered what the defense did or actually didn't do, only that everything bad that happened was Romo's fault.

Now today we have Prescott and when both Romo and Moore got injured in preseason in Prescott's rookie season he was named the starter for week 1. Some of the Prescott haters started before week 1 saying a rookie drafted in the 4th round will cause the Cowboys to go 1-15 or 2-14, but they went 13-3. The haters kept saying because Prescott didn't throw deep very often that it will blow any chance of making the playoffs. Never mind that the Cowboys had the best run game in the league and they kept winning and went to the playoffs. Then in his second season filled with injuries on both sides of the ball and Elliott was suspended for 6 games and the Cowboys ended up with a 9-7 missing the playoffs and the haters put the blame solely on Prescott and never gave any thought about all the injuries or that Elliott was suspended for 6 games. The Prescott's third year the Cowboys go to the playoffs even though the haters said as long as Prescott is the QB they'll never see the playoffs again. The Cowboys beat the sea hawks in the wildcard game and then in the divisional round the Cowboys got beat bad by the rams and the haters place all the blame on Prescott completely overlooking the fact that the defense allowed two ram RB's to rush for over a 100 yards each and the rams putting up 30 points and allowing the rams to chew up huge clock time with their running game. That defense only force a single punt the entire game yet the haters put all the blame on Prescott.

Now after been around long enough to see the hating on both QB's I'd have to say that it's about even as to which QB received more hating.
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glimmerman said:

Lol. I remember. I think it was a whole sub-forum..

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And that sub-forum had 3 primary haters which sparked 90%+ of the conversation. They were Cowboybragger, Casper, and America’s Cowboy. Cowboybragger and Casper were both Giants fans. After Casper got busted for being a Giants fan he tried to claim the Giants were just his 2nd favorite team, yet he hated everything Romo did and loved everything Eli did. He ultimately got cancer and quit coming around. Not sure if he made it or not but didn’t hear much from CB or Casper since the 2014 season.

nate dizzle said:

It was. This place is heading in that direction. Can't talk about any other player or part of the team without it devolving into a Dak thread.

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The 'sub forum' is already established:

https://cowboyszone.com/forums/overtime-zone.57/

Its purpose is meant for more than just any one particular devolving discussion topic though.