Can we rightfully demand anymore from Dak?

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I apologize upfront for the length of this post. If it looks too long, go to your other threads and come back here and post when you have the time.

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So now..Garrett is gone, new coaches have been installed and different, better results will be expected.

Do these changes maintain the Dak Era or does it kill it?

How has Dak handled things so far? What should we expect going forward?

What have we seen from Dak so far?

The WCO is an adaptable offense..
McCarthy knows how to run it as well as anybody in the NFL.

Dak has shown his adaptability all 4 years with us.

Even under Linehan in 2016...

he run an offense with lots of WCO attributes.

Quick read short to medium passes, lots of controlled running, etc. TEs were extremely important with controlled passing..this produced a 13-3 record and top seed in the playoffs..

Dez was the biggest loser and Garrett and ownership made a big mistake in cutting him without asking for a contract adjustment and stopped progress as a result going to passing by committee with a raw QB.

This eventually cost us a #1 pick to trade with Oakland for Amari..so the jury I still out on this for now..

But short of that..everything seemed on a huge uptick. Dak had a #1 WR.

Witten saw an increased role becuz of it..the RBs saw more passes out of the backfield..

and sacks were not much of a factor as the ball was already outta there.

Dak had to change

Then in 2017, Garrett buckled to criticism that Dak could not throw deep and the offense changed to making Dak read the defenses and timing throws were required.

These were skill sets Dak did not come with from college.

In watching his college highlights..what I noticed was him often waiting for the receiver to get open then completing the pass.

It was not an offense designed to attack. It was designed to react.

Dak finally got it going in 2018

but he took like 60 sacks that year..it was difficult to watch. He was holding the ball, reading coverages..not running away but taking the sack. The team regularly played close games and helped by the Eagles failures..

we won but were not very impressive doing it.

More tweaking was needed.

Our recent history with Dak that lead to major changes for the team

2019 was supposed to be the break thru year for Dak where his ability to read defenses improved, he got rid of the ball if WRs were not open. Dak improved but the defense cost us game after game with poor play.

Record career stats piled for up for Dak and despite much of it happening in losing causes..Dak still increased production.

Unfortunately the defense cracked around him and we failed as a team to make the playoffs.

Where are we now?

So while many want to point at Dak as not being a Mahomes clone or a Rodgers wanna-be..

Dak has seriously met expectations up until now given a bunch of changes in the position from the team. And he has done all of this on his rookie deal..a huge underpayment considering the amount of performance of the player.

Now Garrett is gone and MM has arrived with his regime.

Another offense change, new coaches..yada yada.

Oh yeah..and Dak needs his contract BTW.

Now what?

So now MORE pressure mounts on Dak to get things right, earn his big contract, for the team under his guidance to succeed.

Yikes.

Can we demand anymore from Dak?

Enough. Pay him..commit to him..develop a team to support his style of play. We have loaded our roster and cap and fashioned our draft to build with him.

We have major contracts on the offense in the OL and soon WR and needed defensive improvements to further help Dak.

It's time to accept our new reality and stop the waffling which gets us nowhere.

We can either have fun with this or just go crazy with it all.

What makes sense to you?

I enjoy my lineage as a long standing fan.

It's being tested, Jerrah.

Comments?

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I am just extremely glad for the change. Not really demanding (well almost not demanding, have a few) anything from any player or the team other than dedication to be better. And will see how things fall out from the improvements already from the new coaching staff.

My demands:
The hot Boyz name goes away.
DLaw stops yapping and plays like he talks.
Oh, and I demand Rowdy be gone.
 

jay94

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How about we demand more from everyone, but our QB. So many drops, elite zeke is far from, but because he gets the most carries behind one of the best lines homers see him as that. Never MVP votes or a rating of elite status on pff.
 

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Yes. We can expect much, much more.


-Throw in stride
-Play great FROM THE BEGINNING
-Come/Play from behind (and no, I don’t mean like a 24-21 deficit, like where most of you get this comeback stat from, in talking about a score like what the Chiefs did against the Texans last week type comeback).
-Lead receivers
-Do NOT rely on the running game
-Do NOT fall apart as soon as 1 receiver or Offensive linemen goes down.
-Stop regressing back to college Dak when the pressure increases such a tiny bit
-Stop wearing that cursed pocket jersey. Even the Ravens wore pocket jerseys against the Titans and they lost. They are obviously not meant to be worn.
 

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As much as i love Dak i can demand much and i mean much more

until he wins a SB i can demand the moon and stars

Yeah. Playoff success is needed for sure. Really it is not just Dak, this whole roster needs to try and become a winner. Without that he will have his doubters.

Even with a SB win there will be a cadre of simpletons that just hate the guy.
 

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Yeah. Playoff success is needed for sure. Really it is not just Dak, this whole roster needs to try and become a winner. Without that he will have his doubters.

Even with a SB win there will be a cadre of simpletons that just hate the guy.

with a SB win I wouldn’t demand anything for 3 years

its been too long
 

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The answer to that question is yes we can demand more from Dak. We can demand that he goes past the divisional round and win the SB. Every year we can demand that he leads us to a SB victory and be the last one standing at the end of every season. He should demand that from himself as well as his teammates and coaches. If that is not the expectations every year than he needs to find another career.
 
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either everyone is going to be accountable or Dak will survive all the cuts while he remains a part of the reason why he's had complete roster and coaching changes several times over. Which one will Jerry follow, stay tuned.
 

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I apologize upfront for the length of this post. If it looks too long, go to your other threads and come back here and post when you have the time.

---------------------------------------------------

So now..Garrett is gone, new coaches have been installed and different, better results will be expected.

Do these changes maintain the Dak Era or does it kill it?

How has Dak handled things so far? What should we expect going forward?

What have we seen from Dak so far?

The WCO is an adaptable offense..
McCarthy knows how to run it as well as anybody in the NFL.

Dak has shown his adaptability all 4 years with us.

Even under Linehan in 2016...

he run an offense with lots of WCO attributes.

Quick read short to medium passes, lots of controlled running, etc. TEs were extremely important with controlled passing..this produced a 13-3 record and top seed in the playoffs..

Dez was the biggest loser and Garrett and ownership made a big mistake in cutting him without asking for a contract adjustment and stopped progress as a result going to passing by committee with a raw QB.

This eventually cost us a #1 pick to trade with Oakland for Amari..so the jury I still out on this for now..

But short of that..everything seemed on a huge uptick. Dak had a #1 WR.

Witten saw an increased role becuz of it..the RBs saw more passes out of the backfield..

and sacks were not much of a factor as the ball was already outta there.

Dak had to change

Then in 2017, Garrett buckled to criticism that Dak could not throw deep and the offense changed to making Dak read the defenses and timing throws were required.

These were skill sets Dak did not come with from college.

In watching his college highlights..what I noticed was him often waiting for the receiver to get open then completing the pass.

It was not an offense designed to attack. It was designed to react.

Dak finally got it going in 2018

but he took like 60 sacks that year..it was difficult to watch. He was holding the ball, reading coverages..not running away but taking the sack. The team regularly played close games and helped by the Eagles failures..

we won but were not very impressive doing it.

More tweaking was needed.

Our recent history with Dak that lead to major changes for the team

2019 was supposed to be the break thru year for Dak where his ability to read defenses improved, he got rid of the ball if WRs were not open. Dak improved but the defense cost us game after game with poor play.

Record career stats piled for up for Dak and despite much of it happening in losing causes..Dak still increased production.

Unfortunately the defense cracked around him and we failed as a team to make the playoffs.

Where are we now?

So while many want to point at Dak as not being a Mahomes clone or a Rodgers wanna-be..

Dak has seriously met expectations up until now given a bunch of changes in the position from the team. And he has done all of this on his rookie deal..a huge underpayment considering the amount of performance of the player.

Now Garrett is gone and MM has arrived with his regime.

Another offense change, new coaches..yada yada.

Oh yeah..and Dak needs his contract BTW.

Now what?

So now MORE pressure mounts on Dak to get things right, earn his big contract, for the team under his guidance to succeed.

Yikes.

Can we demand anymore from Dak?

Enough. Pay him..commit to him..develop a team to support his style of play. We have loaded our roster and cap and fashioned our draft to build with him.

We have major contracts on the offense in the OL and soon WR and needed defensive improvements to further help Dak.

It's time to accept our new reality and stop the waffling which gets us nowhere.

We can either have fun with this or just go crazy with it all.

What makes sense to you?

I enjoy my lineage as a long standing fan.

It's being tested, Jerrah.

Comments?

:starspin:


I just can’t ignore how QBs are doing once they get paid in this league.

The goal should be to win a championship. Not paying Dak.

Dak getting a huge contract makes it harder to win a title.
 

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Yes. We can expect much, much more.


-Throw in stride
-Play great FROM THE BEGINNING
-Come/Play from behind (and no, I don’t mean like a 24-21 deficit, like where most of you get this comeback stat from, in talking about a score like what the Chiefs did against the Texans last week type comeback).
-Lead receivers
-Do NOT rely on the running game
-Do NOT fall apart as soon as 1 receiver or Offensive linemen goes down.
-Stop regressing back to college Dak when the pressure increases such a tiny bit
-Stop wearing that cursed pocket jersey. Even the Ravens wore pocket jerseys against the Titans and they lost. They are obviously not meant to be worn.
To expect a comeback win like KC did with Houston is unrealistic expectations. Can it happen, sure but it's just not something that happens often especially in a playoff game. That comeback was unreal and if any had doubt about who the best QB in the league was should have been answered.
 

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I think you can ask Dak to be a little better pre-snap. He improved a lot this season in that regard but I feel like teams figured him out around the Saints game, and would bait him into a bad play.
 

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This team just went 8-8. It's easy to just poi t at defense and ST and say the offense did it's part, but that's lazy analysis. The overall stats are great but I look at the saints game, the jets game, the Patriot game, the Bill's game, the second eagle game. You telling me Dak couldnt have played better? I'm not sure there is a single position group on this team you cant ask for more out of in 2020.
 

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You can demand his footwork be better than a nervous middle schooler. I don't know what happened in the New England game, but from that game on it was horrendous. And that was even when he wasn't pressured.
 
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