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What kind of fans are these people?
He’s from NY. I truly believe he is just a Giants fan trolling our QB. On the old board we had two Giants fans that were there to troll Romo. They were Cowboybragger and Casper. For some reason, Giants fans have a tendency of acting like Cowboys fans on our forums.
 

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I can’t be mad at your opinions. But I really root for Dak because he’s the starting quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. And I have personally rooted for each and every one of our players and coaches to be successful and win. That’s what I do. I root for The Team!
You not wanting to answer my question shows me that you know what I’m talking about. You see and read what I see and read. Whether you wanna admit it or not.
No me not wanting to answer your questions means exactly what I said it meant which was it doesn’t apply to me so I’m not speaking on it. You might pull that bs where you live at irl but that logic don’t fly where I’m at. I want Dak to win because I’m a fan and him being good helps that but that doesn’t make him good just because. I’m not a child and that’s how kids look at things and using your logic why y’all wanted Garrett up out of here if you just rooting for the Boys to be successful? We shouldn’t have fired Garrett just keep trotting him out there hoping he gets better just because. Your logic is fugazy on this one my man. I root for the team too and I know average Dak isn’t best for the team. Vanilla Ice had his career year football eons ago and hasn’t come close to it again. Y’all just gotta realize that was a fluke and duke is not who y’all think he is. Like I said can’t wait till he gets paid and you remember I told you he plays like this how long will it be before even his most loyal fans turning on him. Trust me big money makes folks very impatient with you.
 

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What kind of fans are these people?
Seriously sir or you a man or a man that can be easily led astray by anybody that agrees with you? Seems like you’re the latter and that’s traits of children not men. Dang shame I thought you at least thought for yourself not had a dude that’s mad at me get in your ears like a real housewife looking for allies. It’s a lot of unmanly things going on I can’t co sign smh. I expected better from you but alas people just looking to be validated smh.
 

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Oh!!!!! Makes sense
How does it make sense when this guy has shown you no proof? This is the same type of stuff that happens irl in more serious situations and this is how quick you are to believe anything with no proof. Dang shame you can’t even think for yourself.
 

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Seriously sir or you a man or a man that can be easily led astray by anybody that agrees with you? Seems like you’re the latter and that’s traits of children not men. Dang shame I thought you at least thought for yourself not had a dude that’s mad at me get in your ears like a real housewife looking for allies. It’s a lot of unmanly things going on I can’t co sign smh. I expected better from you but alas people just looking to be validated smh.
How does it make sense when this guy has shown you no proof? This is the same type of stuff that happens irl in more serious situations and this is how quick you are to believe anything with no proof. Dang shame you can’t even think for yourself.
The proof was in your post. You said it yourself. You want him to fail so you can be right. Did you not say that?
 

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Personally can’t wait until he gets paid because that will turn people to my POV quicker than anything I can ever say on here. One thing I know is when you get paid big bucks and play average like this year more fans will turn on him. You and him better hope y’all right about him being better than I think he is.
The proof is in the pudding.
 

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You’re just not smart sir. I suggest you go back to school pronto because how the hell does that have anything to do with him failing? He’s average and when he gets paid people will see that smh
LMAO. That’s what you clowns do when cornered. Insult someone’s intelligence. You are a simpleton. So easy to read. Y’all do the same bs every time. I posted your words. Not mine.
 

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LMAO. That’s what you clowns do when cornered. Insult someone’s intelligence. You are a simpleton. So easy to read. Y’all do the same bs every time. I posted your words. Not mine.
You’re not though. My words are he’s average. How does saying more people will agree when he gets paid and has these same games equal I want him to fail? I’m no deity I can’t control his play but history has told you what to expect. Sorry if saying an average player will keep playing average is wanting him to fail on your low level world. You know you’re not the most enlightened person on this topic yourself. Let’s be real here.
 

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You’re not though. My words are he’s average. How does saying more people will agree when he gets paid and has these same games equal I want him to fail? I’m no deity I can’t control his play but history has told you what to expect. Sorry if saying an average player will keep playing average is wanting him to fail on your low level world. You know you’re not the most enlightened person on this topic yourself. Let’s be real here.
Do you think Dak has reached his ceiling and won't improve even though he has talented coaches that know how to develop a QB?
 

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Some of you guys flip flop so much it's funny. Y'all use to complain that Dak didn't have stats and he was just a bus driver. Y'all said you just wanted a QB to throw 4000 plus yards and 30 TDs but when Dak had almost 5000 yards and 30 TDs now y'all want a bus driver. Can y'all admit you don't have a clue what you want because you just dislike Dak and no matter what he does y'all will want the opposite.

You can't have a dominate run game and clock eating offense but then also want a 5000 yard 30 plus TD QB at the same time. Fantasy football has made you guys silly
You are quite correct in your statement.
However, one thing you must consider is that the majority of Dak’s stats this year came from playing catch up or in garbage time as the game was all but won by the opposing team and their defenses were playing soft.
Were was Dak when it mattered most just getting one more win that would have put the Cowboys in the playoffs?
Heck the Jets, Bills, Pats, Bears and banged up Eaglets all teams that were struggling had their QB’s outplay Dak.
So please... stop quoting numbers as if they give an indication of his performance and look at just plain facts.
 

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You’re not though. My words are he’s average. How does saying more people will agree when he gets paid and has these same games equal I want him to fail? I’m no deity I can’t control his play but history has told you what to expect. Sorry if saying an average player will keep playing average is wanting him to fail on your low level world. You know you’re not the most enlightened person on this topic yourself. Let’s be real here.
LOL. You can claim your official stance is “he is just average” until you are blue in the face. Regardless of how many times you repeat it, your actions sing a different tune. Look like a duck, quack like a duck, you’re a duck.

Here is where the proof is in the pudding. It’s OK if you hate Dak and think he’s less than average, but it’s not OK if someone likes Dak and thinks he’s better than average.

Your official “he is just average” mission worthy of your entire Cowboys zone participation only goes in one direction in regards to Dak and that’s down. You’re a duck.
 
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I've seen so much of that here. "Got to have an elite QB" and "can't get it done without that elite QB".

The only thing I agree with is that the Cowboys do not have an elite QB and he probably won't ever be considered that.

Brady, Brees, Wilson, Jackson, Watson all have been mentioned with as that old guard elite or the new guard. Mahomes is in that group and along with Rodgers, the only ones left in the playoffs and is Rodgers there because he's played elite this season or is it the RB and DE's? And the fact that Brees, Rodgers and Wilson only have one ring doesn't seem to matter.

Did you catch Brees, Jackson, Wilson and Watson trying to lift their teams? Or did you catch Tannehill in his last two playoff games with <200 yards? Which is it better to have? The QB to lift the team or the team to support the QB? Ask Brady, Brees, Wilson, Jackson and Watson.

This is not about Prescott, it is about every team has to build around the QB and Brees, Rodgers and Wilson are proof. Elway was elite and he wouldn't have any rings if not for a HC and RB and an offensive philosophical change..

Roger and Troy had to have teams around them, same with Starr, Bradshaw, Montana and Brady wasn't that bad this season, the team around him wasn't the usual standard.

It's one thing we've seen, different kinds of teams can do it different ways, there isn't just one template. Get that elite QB and ride the wave. This isn't baseball when they can ride a pitcher or two.

I do not think if the Cowboys had any of those elite QB's this season, it would have been much different.
Not any different with our defense and Richard/Marinelli it wouldn't.

It's all about catching lightning in a bottle.

First find a bottle..

then find me the lightning.

Then let Ben Franklin be our HC.

Championship.

I think our window opened and closed in 2016.

The year Zeke and Dak first arrived.

It's been downhill since.
 

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You are quite correct in your statement.
However, one thing you must consider is that the majority of Dak’s stats this year came from playing catch up or in garbage time as the game was all but won by the opposing team and their defenses were playing soft.
Were was Dak when it mattered most just getting one more win that would have put the Cowboys in the playoffs?
Heck the Jets, Bills, Pats, Bears and banged up Eaglets all teams that were struggling had their QB’s outplay Dak.
So please... stop quoting numbers as if they give an indication of his performance and look at just plain facts.
I would be curious to see some real numbers on whether the “majority of Dak’s stats this year came from playing catch up or in garbage time as the game was all but won by the opposing team and their defenses were playing soft“.

that’s a meme and it doesn’t stand up to reality.

You do know we did won 8 games, right? You make it sound like the Cowboys were being blown out in every game and somehow Dak got 2500 yards and 10 touchdowns in failed comebacks

Pats and Bulls were both playoff teams and won 12 and 10 games respectively.

The Bills had won 3 of 4 when they played the Cowboys and the Patriots has won 9 of their last 10. Those were good teams.

the Eagles were also turning it around just in time for their late push. They were bad early in the year and while still dealing with serious injuries they were playing pretty well when they knocked the crap out or us.

The Cowboys absolutely stunk it up against the Bears, Jets and Eagles but to make it out that every game was a carbon copy of those three is just untrue.

it’s no more legit than talking about the Giants, Commanders and Dolphins games when we started 3-0 were an indication of Dak’s greatness and set the tone for his 5000 yard season

the truth, at least in this case, lies somewhere in the middle. He, and the entire team, as well as the coaching staff, had an unsatisfying, inconsistent and average year overall.
 

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I’m not angry. I live in a state of reality. We all know what’s what. Why even try to BS one another? I can respect honesty even if it differs from my opinions. It’s bs lies and hypocrisy that I cannot respect.

Bummer. I don't know how I'll make it through the day if I don't have "respect" in your eyes.

Man, you just totally ruined my Monday.
 

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I would be curious to see some real numbers on whether the “majority of Dak’s stats this year came from playing catch up or in garbage time as the game was all but won by the opposing team and their defenses were playing soft“.

that’s a meme and it doesn’t stand up to reality.

You do know we did won 8 games, right? You make it sound like the Cowboys were being blown out in every game and somehow Dak got 2500 yards and 10 touchdowns in failed comebacks

Pats and Bulls were both playoff teams and won 12 and 10 games respectively.

The Bills had won 3 of 4 when they played the Cowboys and the Patriots has won 9 of their last 10. Those were good teams.

the Eagles were also turning it around just in time for their late push. They were bad early in the year and while still dealing with serious injuries they were playing pretty well when they knocked the crap out or us.

The Cowboys absolutely stunk it up against the Bears, Jets and Eagles but to make it out that every game was a carbon copy of those three is just untrue.

it’s no more legit than talking about the Giants, Commanders and Dolphins games when we started 3-0 were an indication of Dak’s greatness and set the tone for his 5000 yard season

the truth, at least in this case, lies somewhere in the middle. He, and the entire team, as well as the coaching staff, had an unsatisfying, inconsistent and average year overall.
Your points are good and I’m not disagreeing, unfortunately a lot of his yardage did come in the second half as this team had trouble scoring early in all but a few games.
No one said those games were carbon copies of each other but they were “winnable” games against teams that were experiencing issues.
By the way the Eagles were fielding a practice squad at best when they beat us...
Yes it’s on coaching, players etc... but an elite QB should be able to perform better given the circumstances
 

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You are quite correct in your statement.
However, one thing you must consider is that the majority of Dak’s stats this year came from playing catch up or in garbage time as the game was all but won by the opposing team and their defenses were playing soft.
Were was Dak when it mattered most just getting one more win that would have put the Cowboys in the playoffs?
Heck the Jets, Bills, Pats, Bears and banged up Eaglets all teams that were struggling had their QB’s outplay Dak.
So please... stop quoting numbers as if they give an indication of his performance and look at just plain facts.
Hate to tell you but every QB that throws 5000 yards has garbage time stats and gets in shootouts often. You can't throw 5000 yards by running the ball and controlling the clock.

That being said, the rest of your points could be valid but the entire team quit on the coach. While Dak did have some bad games most, you can't expect only the QB to do it by himself. You need blocking, catching and tackling too help out. Dak has shown in his career to always show up when it matters most, this season is the only time someone can say Dak didn't show up due to the entire team quitting on the coach.
 

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Do you think Dak has reached his ceiling and won't improve even though he has talented coaches that know how to develop a QB?
I've said yes many times and truthfully if people don't see this they're just being homers. This point doesn't really have to do with Dak specifically but any player. Most players don't keep going up and up and up. Hell even in real life if you lift weights or do most activities you don't just keep improving year after year after year. That's life in most cases. Dak has been here 4 going on 5 years and his main troubles were troubles that were in his scouting report but y'all think he's magically going to improve them on a full time basis now? That's blind hope than anything based in reality. He does it for some time then usually when playing a better team at least last year it went back to the same stuff outside the Vikings and first Eagles game. I don't believe in pumping sunshine to not look like a "hater" when none of what I post has any influence on if Dak or any other player improves their game. For fandom sake I hope y'all are right and we can have less discussions about duke. Just because I know he's currently average and say so doesn't make any of y'all any better fans because some seem to want to wish and not speak about the bad problems away.
 

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LOL. You can claim your official stance is “he is just average” until you are blue in the face. Regardless of how many times you repeat it, your actions sing a different tune. Look like a duck, quack like a duck, you’re a duck.

Here is where the proof is in the pudding. It’s OK if you hate Dak and think he’s less than average, but it’s not OK if someone likes Dak and thinks he’s better than average.

Your official “he is just average” mission worthy of your entire Cowboys zone participation only goes in one direction in regards to Dak and that’s down. You’re a duck.
My actions suggest what I say and he is average. I know you are of sub par understanding so that's a hard thing for you to understand but you and the other Dak cannibals can't change my tune. If I'm a duck to a nobody online and most likely IRL so be it. Now what? Let me guess more post about looking for allies like a real housewife? Why would I hate Dak? You limited education people have to stop using hate because I don't tow your company clapping of the man. If you think he's awesome great who said you can't be wrong? Lastly my low football education friend if you'd just stalk my interactions a little bit harder you'd see you're a liar because when Dak was balling I gave him all the props. Like most of your ilk you only see what you want to see to make your small online arguments win. You need this stuff because once you log off you know reality is a mean word for you.
 
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