Teams are trying to convince themselves qb is good enough

Reid1boys · Jan 20, 2020

This is great. Collin hit it on the head. He says that half the teams in the league are trying to convince themselves that their QB is good enough. The bears...... yep. Remember the chiefs with Smith? The would say he is good enough... and as Colin said... no he isnt.

And here we are trying to convince ourselves Dak is good enough. Did you watch Mahomes? Sad part is what else do you do?

CATCH17 · Jan 20, 2020

Reid1boys said:
This is great. Collin hit it on the head. He says that half the teams in the league are trying to convince themselves that their QB is good enough. The bears...... yep. Remember the chiefs with Smith? The would say he is good enough... and as Colin said... no he isnt.

And here we are trying to convince ourselves Dak is good enough. Did you watch Mahomes? Sad part is what else do you do?

Completely agree except.. I think Dak is good enough if the roster around him can carry him. He just doesn't enhance the talent around him.

Sammy · Jan 20, 2020

Who's Colin?

IheartRomo · Jan 20, 2020

Reid1boys said:
This is great. Collin hit it on the head. He says that half the teams in the league are trying to convince themselves that their QB is good enough. The bears...... yep. Remember the chiefs with Smith? The would say he is good enough... and as Colin said... no he isnt.

And here we are trying to convince ourselves Dak is good enough. Did you watch Mahomes? Sad part is what else do you do?

Mahomes is the standard for good enough? He is one of the greatest to ever play the position. You do not need a Patrick Mahomes to win - it simply helps tremendously. Banking on getting your hands on a Mahomes-type player is foolish. You're far more likely to find a different formula for winning than to find Patrick Mahomes.

MysteryIceGuro · Jan 20, 2020

You know what they say. “Speak it into existence.” Maybe that’s what many Cowboys fans are trying to do? Merely convince themselves he’s good til the day he possibly becomes consistently good?

The human mind is complex.

jazzcat22 · Jan 20, 2020

CATCH17 · Jan 20, 2020

IheartRomo said:
Mahomes is the standard for good enough? He is one of the greatest to ever play the position. You do not need a Patrick Mahomes to win - it simply helps tremendously. Banking on getting your hands on a Mahomes-type player is foolish. You're far more likely to find a different formula for winning than to find Patrick Mahomes.

The formula looks like you need to win with a QB on a rookie deal or an elite Vet taking a paycut.

conner01 · Jan 20, 2020

Every team wants a mahommes
Only one has him and the other teams have to win without him
The 49ers are in the same spot as the chiefs without him and could very well best him
Only 5 teams can have a top 5 QB
Winning a SB is about the team
Elway couldn’t win one till they got a run game
But in his day he was elite
Just having an elite QB doesn’t guarantee you a SB
Mahommes was elite last year but they didn’t win the SB

glimmerman · Jan 20, 2020

There is no choice. Not enough elite to go around. You get a good one and hope you can build around his strengths. Dak hasn’t hit his ceiling yet but likely close to it. Other teams have qb that aren’t getting better other than what comes with experience. I think that is the difference in what we have with Dak. He was talking about cousins and some other qbs, notice he didn’t mention Daks name.

We have a winning formula here. Let Dak be some what of a bus driver. Hand the ball off and let Dak make some plays and throw the ball around and he is good at the deep pass. You can’t ask him to put the team on his back every week and throw 40 times a game and you have a elite RB and O-Line so you don’t have to. It’s common sense of a HC and staff to realize that. Give us a better Defense and a actual ST and we are in the playoffs this year.

Look at what the niners did this year. You think garopolo is elite.. Lol.

IheartRomo · Jan 20, 2020

CATCH17 said:
The formula looks like you need to win with a QB on a rookie deal or an elite Vet taking a paycut.

There are a bunch of different formulas. You need to be very good in 2 of the following 3 spots to win a SB: HC, QB, and defense. You don't even need to be a good QB let alone a great one to win a SB if those other 2 pieces are in place:

Dilfer
Eli
Flacco
Foles
Peyton Manning (2015 version was awful)

All average to below average. There are a bunch of different ways. Banking on a legendary, all-time QB is the most foolish way to build. Great - if you get lucky you've got him. But it's a foolish way to go about it.

Bigdog · Jan 20, 2020

IheartRomo said:
Mahomes is the standard for good enough? He is one of the greatest to ever play the position. You do not need a Patrick Mahomes to win - it simply helps tremendously. Banking on getting your hands on a Mahomes-type player is foolish. You're far more likely to find a different formula for winning than to find Patrick Mahomes.

Mahomes is good but one of the greatest? As Bill Parcells would say let’s put the HOF anointed oil away for now. I’ll admit he has the skills set to be one of the greatest but that doesn’t make you great until he has proven it. He needs to win SBs to be discuss as one of the greatest. Although he is fun to watch.

Philmonroe · Jan 20, 2020

CATCH17 said:
The formula looks like you need to win with a QB on a rookie deal or an elite Vet taking a paycut.

You also forgot a loaded defense from years of stinking like the 9ers. I don't know Jimmy Gs salary but isn't he getting some nice change?

CATCH17 · Jan 20, 2020

Philmonroe said:
You also forgot a loaded defense from years of stinking like the 9ers. I don't know Jimmy Gs salary but isn't he getting some nice change?

He is.. He's one of the QB's who has broke through who isn't worth their salary.

The 9ers are an example of a team we would have to be like. Figuring out a way to win with a QB who isn't worth their pay.

blueblood70 · Jan 20, 2020

Reid1boys said:
This is great. Collin hit it on the head. He says that half the teams in the league are trying to convince themselves that their QB is good enough. The bears...... yep. Remember the chiefs with Smith? The would say he is good enough... and as Colin said... no he isnt.

And here we are trying to convince ourselves Dak is good enough. Did you watch Mahomes? Sad part is what else do you do?

Tannnehill had TWO games under 100 yards in the playoffs, Garoppolo was 6-8 77 yards in a NFCCG win.. a 28million dollar qb that hands the ball off more times then he throws..

id say game plans and coaching got teams into the championship games with a QB who simply handed the ball off 35times LMAO

Dak cant so that?

we were better in 2016 when Dak was throwing less and Zeke was a bigger focal point.. now that we have a solid offense line , zeke and add pollard, why cant we keep day at 200-240 agame and win this way.. Better defense , ST, and coaching..

there arent enough Mahomes types to use that formuala..

so I who heatedly disagree with this premise..
we can win with Dak if dak wakes up, takes a tema friendly deal and let us build a team..

we cant pay dak 34-40mil because he isnt Mahomes ..

CowboyFanInLexKy · Jan 20, 2020

Reid1boys said: ↑
This is great. Collin hit it on the head. He says that half the teams in the league are trying to convince themselves that their QB is good enough. The bears...... yep. Remember the chiefs with Smith? The would say he is good enough... and as Colin said... no he isnt.

And here we are trying to convince ourselves Dak is good enough. Did you watch Mahomes? Sad part is what else do you do?

IheartRomo said:
Mahomes is the standard for good enough? He is one of the greatest to ever play the position. You do not need a Patrick Mahomes to win - it simply helps tremendously. Banking on getting your hands on a Mahomes-type player is foolish. You're far more likely to find a different formula for winning than to find Patrick Mahomes.

I don't think Reid1boys is saying Mahomes is the new "Good enough". We know he's in the elite status. I think (and I agree) he's trying to say Dak isn't good enough.

Blackspider214 · Jan 20, 2020

Reid1boys said:
This is great. Collin hit it on the head. He says that half the teams in the league are trying to convince themselves that their QB is good enough. The bears...... yep. Remember the chiefs with Smith? The would say he is good enough... and as Colin said... no he isnt.

And here we are trying to convince ourselves Dak is good enough. Did you watch Mahomes? Sad part is what else do you do?

Ok?? Tell me one QB that is as good as Mahomes. The only QB who has beaten him so far in the playoffs is Tom Brady. Who cares about Mahomes. He is in the AFC. If we ever have to face him in the playoffs, well then we would be in good shape.
Tell me how many QBs in the NFC are way ahead of Dak? I hope you don't mention Jimmy G, who makes Trent Dilfer look like Joe Montana. There is no QB better than him in our division.

Wilson? Rodgers? I could give you those, although they don't put tons of fear in you any longer.

We have a good enough QB to win if we would actually supply him a good scheme and coaching. And a solid defense. Our defense is bottom of the league terrible.

Philmonroe · Jan 20, 2020

IheartRomo said:
There are a bunch of different formulas. You need to be very good in 2 of the following 3 spots to win a SB: HC, QB, and defense. You don't even need to be a good QB let alone a great one to win a SB if those other 2 pieces are in place:

Dilfer
Eli
Flacco
Foles
Peyton Manning (2015 version was awful)

All average to below average. There are a bunch of different ways. Banking on a legendary, all-time QB is the most foolish way to build. Great - if you get lucky you've got him. But it's a foolish way to go about it.

I agree about the defense but these are still outliers for the most part regarding them eh qb's you mentioned. Its hard to have one of those crazy defenses and they don't stay that crazy for that long. Its probably more easier to find a franchise QB than to field a 9ers this year type defense for any amount of time.

IheartRomo · Jan 20, 2020

Bigdog said:
Mahomes is good but one of the greatest? As Bill Parcells would say let’s put the HOF anointed oil away for now. I’ll admit he has the skills set to be one of the greatest but that doesn’t make you great until he has proven it. He needs to win SBs to be discuss as one of the greatest. Although he is fun to watch.

Totally agree with you. I'm simply talking about his level of play at this point time. It's a level that very few have ever reached for a 2 stretch season. Of course, he'll need longevity.

IheartRomo · Jan 20, 2020

Philmonroe said:
I agree about the defense but these are still outliers for the most part regarding them eh qb's you mentioned. Its hard to have one of those crazy defenses and they don't stay that crazy for that long. Its probably more easier to find a franchise QB than to field a 9ers this year type defense for any amount of time.

I do agree that an elite QB is the best formula for consistent success. But even good to great QBs aren't enough to succeed on their own. Only all time great level QBs can carry a team almost regardless of the roster around them (Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, etc.). IMO, while that is the most ideal situation to be in, it is so impossible to set out and achieve it that it almost makes no sense to try that formula exclusively. It takes a tremendous amount of luck to end up with a QB of that caliber.

FLCowboyFan · Jan 20, 2020

Reid1boys said:
This is great. Collin hit it on the head. He says that half the teams in the league are trying to convince themselves that their QB is good enough. The bears...... yep. Remember the chiefs with Smith? The would say he is good enough... and as Colin said... no he isnt.

And here we are trying to convince ourselves Dak is good enough. Did you watch Mahomes? Sad part is what else do you do?

ok 2 questions
1. How many Mahomes are in the league?
2. When was he drafted? I believe it was in the top 10.

to say the only way you can win a superbowl is with him then the other 31 teams need to fold their tents now. How is a team who finishes 8-8 or better ever going to get a great QB?

Oh and by the way he wasn’t the first QB taken in the draft so even if you had a high draft pick it’s not assured.

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