How does McCarthy make the Cowboys better?

CowboyGil · Jan 20, 2020

In some people's eyes, Jerry can do no right.

Jake · Jan 20, 2020

CowboyGil said:
In some people's eyes, Jerry can do no right.

Since the Cowboys last NFCCG:

6 coaching changes
21 starting QBs
1 GM

I wonder why some people point to Jerry? :huh:

smitty313 · Jan 20, 2020

He's not Garrett.

Doomsdayblitz · Jan 20, 2020

Discipline. Garrett tried to be everyone's friend. A good coach doesn't care if you like him, just that you respect his authority. Too much playing favorites before. Hope that ends.

ICP · Jan 20, 2020

I'm sure this has been said multiple times but.... He's not Garrett

coult44 · Jan 20, 2020

Jumbo075 said:
The biggest question for Cowboys fans is why Jerry insisted on hiring an offensive minded coach in Mike McCarthy for a team that already has the #1 offense in the NFL. It's like he just doesn't understand how important defense is. Is Mike Nolan the answer on defense? Really?

The Cowboys, under both Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells, fielded the #1 defense in the NFL. Both of them understand what it takes to build a championship team - excellent defense. I am not sanguine about the hire of Mike McCarthy. It is highly unlikely he will materially improve the team over the level of offensive performance that Garrett had in his tenure in Dallas.

Over the 13 years that Jason Garrett presided as either Offensive Coordinator and/or Head Coach in Dallas, the Cowboys' offense ranked 4th in total offensive production (367 ypg), and 6th in offensive points per game (24.3 ppg). Having a productive offense in both yards and scoring was not a problem for the Cowboys under Garrett. (Those who are counting on Garrett to fall on his face in New York are likely to be surprised and disappointed.)

The issue for Garrett as Head Coach is he could never consistently field a good defense. When push came to shove, and when nut-cutting time came in the playoffs, Dallas consistently fielded an impotent defense.

Mike McCarthy had the exact same problem in Green Bay. With the exception of the one year the Packers made it to the Super Bowl as the 6th seed in the NFC playoffs, and upset the Steelers, McCarthy fielded top offensive teams, but consistently poor defenses. Even with All-world Aaron Rodgers, the Packers haven't been able to get back to the big game in a decade.

So, I'm wondering if Mike McCarthy is Fool's Gold for Cowboys fans. How is he not EXACTLY what the Cowboys just got rid of?

As for Garrett, he will not be responsible for the defense for the Giants. If Joe Judge can field a good defense, chances are very high the Giants will be very good very soon. If not, then they will become a carbon copy of what the Cowboys have been over the last 13 seasons. I suppose that for Garrett haters, at least some Cowboys fans can cheer for the Giants to be mediocre. But how does that help the rest of us fans who want another Super Bowl trophy in Dallas?

P.S. I waited two weeks to post this, but the more I think about it, the more I don't like this decision. Jerry is just repeating the mistake he made with Garrett. That's my gut feel. I hope I'm wrong.

You lost 98% of CZ at “#1 offense in the NFL”

If you really believe that, you don’t understand a lot more things than Jerry doesn’t understand.

Take away the garbage time stats , and we were about 17-20 at best.

Fmart322 · Jan 21, 2020

Through FA and the draft over 2 years.
Jerry needs to give Mike a nice boost in FA this and next offseason. Let him pick a few players that suit his needs.
Draft smart. Don't take any projects until later in the draft. Take BPA if your guy isn't there.
Mcclay usually does well in the draft but don't let him get cute. Projects take time and don't always work out.

SultanOfSix · Jan 21, 2020

For one, he’s a blue collar coach more in the mold of a Parcells who has at least earned his stripes unlike Mr. Daddy’s Connections and Nepotism.

Hoofbite · Jan 21, 2020

He isn't someone Jerry fetishes over, which is good enough for me.

He'll either be better than Jason, or he won't. If he is, Dallas will be better. If he's not, he damn sure won't get a decade to prove himself. He'll be fired in 2-3 seasons and someone else will get a shot. Knowing a guy will be cut loose if he doesn't deliver sure as hell beats waiting on Jerry to run out of the quarters he's tossing into Jason's wishing well.

DuncanIso · Jan 21, 2020

Jumbo075 said:
The biggest question for Cowboys fans is why Jerry insisted on hiring an offensive minded coach in Mike McCarthy for a team that already has the #1 offense in the NFL. It's like he just doesn't understand how important defense is. Is Mike Nolan the answer on defense? Really?

The Cowboys, under both Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells, fielded the #1 defense in the NFL. Both of them understand what it takes to build a championship team - excellent defense. I am not sanguine about the hire of Mike McCarthy. It is highly unlikely he will materially improve the team over the level of offensive performance that Garrett had in his tenure in Dallas.

Over the 13 years that Jason Garrett presided as either Offensive Coordinator and/or Head Coach in Dallas, the Cowboys' offense ranked 4th in total offensive production (367 ypg), and 6th in offensive points per game (24.3 ppg). Having a productive offense in both yards and scoring was not a problem for the Cowboys under Garrett. (Those who are counting on Garrett to fall on his face in New York are likely to be surprised and disappointed.)

The issue for Garrett as Head Coach is he could never consistently field a good defense. When push came to shove, and when nut-cutting time came in the playoffs, Dallas consistently fielded an impotent defense.

Mike McCarthy had the exact same problem in Green Bay. With the exception of the one year the Packers made it to the Super Bowl as the 6th seed in the NFC playoffs, and upset the Steelers, McCarthy fielded top offensive teams, but consistently poor defenses. Even with All-world Aaron Rodgers, the Packers haven't been able to get back to the big game in a decade.

So, I'm wondering if Mike McCarthy is Fool's Gold for Cowboys fans. How is he not EXACTLY what the Cowboys just got rid of?

As for Garrett, he will not be responsible for the defense for the Giants. If Joe Judge can field a good defense, chances are very high the Giants will be very good very soon. If not, then they will become a carbon copy of what the Cowboys have been over the last 13 seasons. I suppose that for Garrett haters, at least some Cowboys fans can cheer for the Giants to be mediocre. But how does that help the rest of us fans who want another Super Bowl trophy in Dallas?

P.S. I waited two weeks to post this, but the more I think about it, the more I don't like this decision. Jerry is just repeating the mistake he made with Garrett. That's my gut feel. I hope I'm wrong.

some of his coaching hires are very questionable. (Nolan.)

losing Colombo was a big mistake.

I like the STs and DL hires.

DuncanIso · Jan 21, 2020

Hoofbite said:
He isn't someone Jerry fetishes over, which is good enough for me.

He'll either be better than Jason, or he won't. If he is, Dallas will be better. If he's not, he damn sure won't get a decade to prove himself. He'll be fired in 2-3 seasons and someone else will get a shot. Knowing a guy will be cut loose if he doesn't deliver sure as hell beats waiting on Jerry to run out of the quarters he's tossing into Jason's wishing well.

True.

but in 2-3 seasons we have to start rebuilding our offense.

Dak would be in his 8th year, Zeke 8th, and the OL would need a rebuild too.

DuncanIso · Jan 21, 2020

charron said:
He doesn't.

The overall coaching staff is better. Jerry deciding to finally allow the coach to hire his own staff. Maybe Garrett failed to demand this or maybe Jerry saw the error in his ways and had to make a change.

Nolan better than Marinelli???

we lost Colombo also.

Hoofbite · Jan 21, 2020

DuncanIso said:
True.

but in 2-3 seasons we have to start rebuilding our offense.

Dak would be in his 8th year, Zeke 8th, and the OL would need a rebuild too.

That's the NFL and that statement would hold true if Jason were still the coach. I really don't care if the team rebuilds under multiple coaches before finding the right guy. Beats watching a coach take a built team and go nowhere, and then rebuild and still go nowhere.

G2 · Jan 21, 2020

McCarthy hasn't even taken the field yet and he's done what Garrett couldn't do or refused to do or didn't understand how to do it, in years. Address the blatantly obvious special teams issues.

FLcowboy · Jan 21, 2020

Keithfansince5 said:
Hard to argue the logic. The Packers are not a team known for defense. Kinda pedestrian defenses at that. I am hoping that McCarthy helps the Cowboys with at the minimum in game management areas. If everything else is equal, MM has to be better at managing game situations than Garrett. Garrett might be the worst all time lol. That alone equals 2 games a year in the win column than before. Other than that, not sure really. Neither are good at ST's either.

I posted this in another thread, Dallas hasn't sniffed a SB in 25 years, what makes us think they will in the next 25?

The fact that Garrett is gone offers some reason for hope.

Doomsday101 · Jan 21, 2020

I don't look at HC as offense or defense but as the man who overseas it all, it is his job to set the tone for the team and to get them ready in all phases of the game. I would hope people understand that so called offensive coaches understand the defensive side of the ball same goes for coaches with a background of running defense. They are not blind to the other side of the ball these men spend their lives understanding the game and all phases of it.

Stash · Jan 21, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
I don't look at HC as offense or defense but as the man who overseas it all, it is his job to set the tone for the team and to get them ready in all phases of the game. I would hope people understand that so called offensive coaches understand the defensive side of the ball same goes for coaches with a background of running defense. They are not blind to the other side of the ball these men spend their lives understanding the game and all phases of it.

I find it hilarious that some fans will actually still attempt to build up a decade-long proven failure like Jason Garrett while at the same time trying to knock a Super Bowl winning coach that had his team in the playoffs 9 of his 13 years as head coach.

blueblood70 · Jan 21, 2020

Jumbo075 said:
The biggest question for Cowboys fans is why Jerry insisted on hiring an offensive minded coach in Mike McCarthy for a team that already has the #1 offense in the NFL. It's like he just doesn't understand how important defense is. Is Mike Nolan the answer on defense? Really?

The Cowboys, under both Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells, fielded the #1 defense in the NFL. Both of them understand what it takes to build a championship team - excellent defense. I am not sanguine about the hire of Mike McCarthy. It is highly unlikely he will materially improve the team over the level of offensive performance that Garrett had in his tenure in Dallas.

Over the 13 years that Jason Garrett presided as either Offensive Coordinator and/or Head Coach in Dallas, the Cowboys' offense ranked 4th in total offensive production (367 ypg), and 6th in offensive points per game (24.3 ppg). Having a productive offense in both yards and scoring was not a problem for the Cowboys under Garrett. (Those who are counting on Garrett to fall on his face in New York are likely to be surprised and disappointed.)

The issue for Garrett as Head Coach is he could never consistently field a good defense. When push came to shove, and when nut-cutting time came in the playoffs, Dallas consistently fielded an impotent defense.

Mike McCarthy had the exact same problem in Green Bay. With the exception of the one year the Packers made it to the Super Bowl as the 6th seed in the NFC playoffs, and upset the Steelers, McCarthy fielded top offensive teams, but consistently poor defenses. Even with All-world Aaron Rodgers, the Packers haven't been able to get back to the big game in a decade.

So, I'm wondering if Mike McCarthy is Fool's Gold for Cowboys fans. How is he not EXACTLY what the Cowboys just got rid of?

As for Garrett, he will not be responsible for the defense for the Giants. If Joe Judge can field a good defense, chances are very high the Giants will be very good very soon. If not, then they will become a carbon copy of what the Cowboys have been over the last 13 seasons. I suppose that for Garrett haters, at least some Cowboys fans can cheer for the Giants to be mediocre. But how does that help the rest of us fans who want another Super Bowl trophy in Dallas?

P.S. I waited two weeks to post this, but the more I think about it, the more I don't like this decision. Jerry is just repeating the mistake he made with Garrett. That's my gut feel. I hope I'm wrong.

and what teams that change HCs and an al new staff KNOW for sure it was the right move? is there a guarantee and cant miss types I dont know of? out of the 7 new HCs for 2019 only GB had a winning record and made the playoffs..they had AR to lead that team..

this year not one other coach hired what Rhule, Judge, Rivera, and whomever that guy is in CLe are better options? are they cant miss staffs?I say none of them are..

most are Unknown so was it the best move? the giants are on their 3rd coach in 10yeras now? theres no way to know until you give it a chance..

we needed a change the culture, attitude, and process had to change.. the complaint is the country club atmosphere bordered on Nepotism and the torn locker room made it such that a new voice with new direction is needed..

its not about stats and rankings its about a new way of doing things..All the teams made the moves for this very reason with no guarantee it will work..

the first step is accomplished.. how about chill out and lets give MM a few years to get this flipped , f after year three it looks like a bad choice , jerry wont allow MM the same time he allowed his adopted son to fix it.. He has short leash, that makes it a good move either way..

we wanted change but now thats being bashed already, dude hasn't unpacked his office yet and its creating negativity?

:facepalm:

CWR · Jan 21, 2020

Jumbo075 said:
The biggest question for Cowboys fans is why Jerry insisted on hiring an offensive minded coach in Mike McCarthy for a team that already has the #1 offense in the NFL. It's like he just doesn't understand how important defense is. Is Mike Nolan the answer on defense? Really?

The Cowboys, under both Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells, fielded the #1 defense in the NFL. Both of them understand what it takes to build a championship team - excellent defense. I am not sanguine about the hire of Mike McCarthy. It is highly unlikely he will materially improve the team over the level of offensive performance that Garrett had in his tenure in Dallas.

Over the 13 years that Jason Garrett presided as either Offensive Coordinator and/or Head Coach in Dallas, the Cowboys' offense ranked 4th in total offensive production (367 ypg), and 6th in offensive points per game (24.3 ppg). Having a productive offense in both yards and scoring was not a problem for the Cowboys under Garrett. (Those who are counting on Garrett to fall on his face in New York are likely to be surprised and disappointed.)

The issue for Garrett as Head Coach is he could never consistently field a good defense. When push came to shove, and when nut-cutting time came in the playoffs, Dallas consistently fielded an impotent defense.

Mike McCarthy had the exact same problem in Green Bay. With the exception of the one year the Packers made it to the Super Bowl as the 6th seed in the NFC playoffs, and upset the Steelers, McCarthy fielded top offensive teams, but consistently poor defenses. Even with All-world Aaron Rodgers, the Packers haven't been able to get back to the big game in a decade.

So, I'm wondering if Mike McCarthy is Fool's Gold for Cowboys fans. How is he not EXACTLY what the Cowboys just got rid of?

As for Garrett, he will not be responsible for the defense for the Giants. If Joe Judge can field a good defense, chances are very high the Giants will be very good very soon. If not, then they will become a carbon copy of what the Cowboys have been over the last 13 seasons. I suppose that for Garrett haters, at least some Cowboys fans can cheer for the Giants to be mediocre. But how does that help the rest of us fans who want another Super Bowl trophy in Dallas?

P.S. I waited two weeks to post this, but the more I think about it, the more I don't like this decision. Jerry is just repeating the mistake he made with Garrett. That's my gut feel. I hope I'm wrong.

I dont man, but I hope everyone that hates or is on the fence about this hire goes back and at least watches the Peter King interview. While it could be a case of "made for tv," I really liked MMs approach. I love the fact he was the opposite of JGs arrogant approach. He took personal responsibility and spent a year trying to reinvent himself. Besides that I think we are looking at addition by subtraction. We needed to flush out the old culture and turn the page. Perhaps he is more successful at holding players accountable and not letting anyone circumvent him. In any event we were badly in need of change and I am optimistic to see a staff that Im not well aware of their ceiling already.

zrinkill · Jan 21, 2020

He is a real head coach

How does McCarthy make the Cowboys better?

CowboyGil

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When Jerry, when?

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