Teams are trying to convince themselves qb is good enough

Aviano90 · Jan 20, 2020

CATCH17 said:
He is.. He's one of the QB's who has broke through who isn't worth their salary.

The 9ers are an example of a team we would have to be like. Figuring out a way to win with a QB who isn't worth their pay.

Wow. Jimmy Crappola has 208 yards total in 2 playoff games and the 49ers have won both games by 17 points. That’s insane. We would have been blown out by 20+ points.

JustChip · Jan 20, 2020

IheartRomo said:
I do agree that an elite QB is the best formula for consistent success. But even good to great QBs aren't enough to succeed on their own. Only all time great level QBs can carry a team almost regardless of the roster around them (Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, etc.). IMO, while that is the most ideal situation to be in, it is so impossible to set out and achieve it that it almost makes no sense to try that formula exclusively. It takes a tremendous amount of luck to end up with a QB of that caliber.

Including 9 other teams passing on a QB of that caliber in the draft.

McKDaddy · Jan 20, 2020

As the playoffs unfolded, I knew this would renew the debates about QB's and formulas to win. If Titans had won with pedestrian passing numbers against KC, you would have had two teams in the SB thumbing their nose at the "this is a passing league" mantra. Subtle secret being that both QB's can throw the ball at a pretty high level most of the time.

OP is right, you should always question whether your QB is good enough.

Do you have to have an elite QB, maybe not to have some success in the playoffs & maybe get to the SB. But the higher up the list he is the better you chances are. Especially to be a annual contender.

If he isn't, you had better be pretty darn stout everywhere else. That is the situation this team finds itself in. Really need to plug the leaks & coach em up good since you don't have a Mahomes, Wilson, Rodgers.

Hook'em#11 · Jan 20, 2020

Gee, another thread about Dak not being good enough. Shocker.

doomsday9084 · Jan 20, 2020

At the end of the day, a team CAN win with a Dak type QB. You just need a really good team around him. That's the issue with paying him huge money. It makes it a lot harder to put a great team around him. Sure, Goff and Wentz make big money. Their teams are going to get slowly hollowed out though as people look for extensions and can't get it because relatively average QB's are eating up so much of the cap.

Personally, I would rather give some vet QB $15m per year, tell him to just drive the bus like Garapapallalolo and then spend an extra $20m on the defense than give Dak $35m.

Edit add qualifications: The Jaylon, Zeke and Tank contracts are horrible and made the window that much narrower. Just because I don't think the team should pay Dak huge money doesn't mean I support those guys getting overpaid.

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 20, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Completely agree except.. I think Dak is good enough if the roster around him can carry him. He just doesn't enhance the talent around him.

Right? There are two teams playing in the Super Bowl. One has a stupid talented type QB. The other has a guy who isn't but who got there because of how good the rest of the team is. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Ranching · Jan 20, 2020

Reid1boys said:
This is great. Collin hit it on the head. He says that half the teams in the league are trying to convince themselves that their QB is good enough. The bears...... yep. Remember the chiefs with Smith? The would say he is good enough... and as Colin said... no he isnt.

And here we are trying to convince ourselves Dak is good enough. Did you watch Mahomes? Sad part is what else do you do?

You tailor your scheme to your QB and stop crying and wishing franchise QBs grew on trees.

Reid1boys · Jan 20, 2020

I agree.... I mean look at the Jets and Dolphins and Bills and Raiders and and and and....... they have been scheming to their QBs for years. Wish we could be like them.

Hawkeye0202 · Jan 20, 2020

conner01 said:
Every team wants a mahommes
Only one has him and the other teams have to win without him
The 49ers are in the same spot as the chiefs without him and could very well best him
Only 5 teams can have a top 5 QB
Winning a SB is about the team
Elway couldn’t win one till they got a run game
But in his day he was elite
Just having an elite QB doesn’t guarantee you a SB
Mahommes was elite last year but they didn’t win the SB

In other words, IT'S STILL a team sport. When did Peyton Manning one, or Marino?

Aviano90 · Jan 20, 2020

Reid1boys said:
considering he is in his 2nd season as a starter... how many SBs should he have? lol..... make no mistake, he is great, we all know it. You can say well he hasnt proven it yet blah blah blha... but that is because he is young.

I remember watching Michael Jordan.... we all knew he was GREAT within his 1st two seasons.... but it took him 6 before he won anything. Didnt change the fact he was GREAT!

Yeah Mahommes is great. Just look at the Tennessee game. His receivers dropped multiple balls. The defense crapped the bed early. His special teams gave up a TD and set up another TD after a muffed punt to fall behind 24-0 and he still won the game in blowout fashion.

If any ONE of those things happen to the Dallas Cowboys in a big game over the past 2+ decades, the Cowboys are done. Stick a fork in them.

Hawkeye0202 · Jan 20, 2020

Kingofholland said:
Mahomes is on another level at the moment, thought the same about Jackson until the playoffs. Everyone is searching for that elite QB, but season over season there's probably only 2-4 of those guys that emerge. Guys that can carry their team no matter the talent around them. Good enough QBs, there's probably another 10 guys after the top ones that are good players that can get it done with a good supporting cast. I would say Dak is in that camp.

Hmmmm....name 3 and if they as good you say, 2 should still be playing (lol)

Other than this, I actually agree with your post. Just don't think ANY QB can carry a team w/o some elite talent, whether defense or offense or coaching. I'm not sure Mahomes on the Giants or Commanders team is playing in the Super Bowl. That's not to say he would have league-leading stats but that alone won't cut it.......ask Dan Marino.

Diehardblues · Jan 20, 2020

Reid1boys said:
This is great. Collin hit it on the head. He says that half the teams in the league are trying to convince themselves that their QB is good enough. The bears...... yep. Remember the chiefs with Smith? The would say he is good enough... and as Colin said... no he isnt.

And here we are trying to convince ourselves Dak is good enough. Did you watch Mahomes? Sad part is what else do you do?

I think should treat the QB position like the rest. If they aren’t Elite talent or willing to sign a team friendly deal then you look to replace them in draft.

We wouldn’t over pay for other positions unless they’re Elite, why the QB.

We are an average team at best with him. 2-4 years in playoffs. One of the others started season 3-5 . Needed a blockbuster trade to revamp offense . Beyond sensational Rookie season a marginal average QB and team.

My hunch is with less supporting cast after we sign him in coming years will be more like the last 3 years not the first.

We’ve already seen what he is without all of the supporting cast.

Hawkeye0202 · Jan 20, 2020

KJJ said:
Who said Dak is a HOF QB? Any QB would have had a problem with the team we had this past season. Lousy coaching, a lousy defense and an inconsistent running game.

+1

BoysForLife · Jan 20, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Completely agree except.. I think Dak is good enough if the roster around him can carry him. He just doesn't enhance the talent around him.

which is exactly why his pay scale is a key part of the discussion of whether he should be the Cowboy QB going forward.

A guy who really doesn't elevate the talent around him, being the highest paid QB in the league, makes very little sense.
Even if he has "intangibles" or other such immeasurable attributes that we hear so much about.

Hadenough · Jan 20, 2020

Reid1boys said:
This is great. Collin hit it on the head. He says that half the teams in the league are trying to convince themselves that their QB is good enough. The bears...... yep. Remember the chiefs with Smith? The would say he is good enough... and as Colin said... no he isnt.

And here we are trying to convince ourselves Dak is good enough. Did you watch Mahomes? Sad part is what else do you do?

Collin is right! The chiefs were never going to win with Alex Smith. Over the years we saw time after time that team unable to go anywhere in the playoffs. And so many people kept saying well the Chiefs dont have a defense. There is a tier of QBs that are good enough to be starters but really aren't going to be able to compete for a SB but teams dont care.

CouchCoach · Jan 20, 2020

There is a simple solution, tag Prescott for the 27.5M; however, the next step isn't so simple. Do you take, even trade up, a QB in the 1st with the needs we already know are there or wait and make this decision again next year? The status of Cooper and Jones are not known as well as Quinn.

I look at this team, and at a minimum see the need for at least one DT, CB, LB and S and DE, if they don't keep Quinn, and not all on that 3rd day. Now, some of this can be addressed in FA but they've not been known as hunters at the beginning. They've actually done better at trading than FA.

And if that 1st could bring in a stud S like Jamal Adams, wouldn't it be better used than on a QB that is a ? from the get go?

I do think there is a feeling that is self imposed. These new coaches are going to make all of these players better. Before this season began, I suggested we focus as much on execution as plays called and I am not one to think the problems left with the coaching staff. I saw some poor execution this year, very poor, and the coaching was a scapegoat.

Roadtrip635 · Jan 20, 2020

Fans try to convince themselves all they need is an elite QB. Wilson is elite but what has the team done without the "Legion of Boom". Jimmy G isn't elite, but he's gonna be playing in the Superbowl. People get distracted by Mahomes, he is the best in the game, but they also have very good ST and their defense has really stepped up over the last half of the season. Competing for a SB isn't about one player or position, it's about assembling a complete team.

America's Cowboy · Jan 20, 2020

Reid1boys said:
This is great. Collin hit it on the head. He says that half the teams in the league are trying to convince themselves that their QB is good enough. The bears...... yep. Remember the chiefs with Smith? The would say he is good enough... and as Colin said... no he isnt.

And here we are trying to convince ourselves Dak is good enough. Did you watch Mahomes? Sad part is what else do you do?

What did Mahomes do? Passed for less than 300 yards, 3 passing TDs and scrambled for 53 yards and 1 running TD? Dak can and has done that many times in a game.

Diehardblues · Jan 20, 2020

CouchCoach said:
Garoppolo's contract ranks 8th right now. He will most likely be around 12 or 13 when the season starts, if not at 15. Brady, Brees and Rivers are up and Mahomes and Watson will probably get new deals instead of waiting for this to just keep climbing.

It's going to be mostly an even playing field because every team without some stud QB on a first year will pay and pay more than they could have ever imagined just 5 years ago. Romo signed his deal in 2013 and in 7 or 8 shorts years, the QB's pay will double. In that time, the cap has only increased by 50%.

The owners have no one to blame but themselves, they created this with their rules and acquiescing to salary demands for QB's.

Interesting that the way or percentage of Cap owners pay QB’s and the extremes they go to in draft often giving up much to move up , they appear to place more importance on the QB position than many fans do?

Maybe it’s not just about winning football games but the image of the franchise and perception of hope and marketability.

It certainly would make sense for example that Daks value to the Cowboys brand has more value than just what he brings to the football team on the field to Jerry. Daks popularity is high. He’s very marketable. One of the top selling jerseys. We must always remember this isn’t just about football.

mardwin · Jan 20, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Completely agree except.. I think Dak is good enough if the roster around him can carry him. He just doesn't enhance the talent around him.

Then why pay him like he's good enough to carry the team when everyone around him needs to be probowl caliber for Dak to be just ok?

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