Problem I have with Dak and our Offense

morat1959 · Jan 20, 2020

BoysForLife said:
Honestly I don't see how you guys can live with this much hate in your heart towards Dak.

I mean, how can you have a differing opinion than the forum police and look at yourselves in the mirror?

So much hate. So many clandestine agendas. So sad and disheartening. I just don't know if I can respect anyone who isn't madly in love with Dak as our quarterback.

Can't we just stop hating each other and come together around our franchise QB?

This is the Dallas Cowboys. There is no room for individual thought. We need complete uniformity. We need to stop hating

It’s not hate. It’s reality. We want a top tier NFL QB. If Dak’s the franchise QB, we are in for more years of the same ole...same ole.

BoysForLife · Jan 20, 2020

morat1959 said:
It’s not hate. It’s reality. We want a top tier NFL QB. If Dak’s the franchise QB, we are in for more years of the same ole...same ole.

I agree.
And apparently I need to work on my sarcasm as well......

morat1959 · Jan 20, 2020

BoysForLife said:
I agree.
And apparently I need to work on my sarcasm as well......

I realized that after I read a few more of your post. I’m the one one needs to work on reading sarcasm! Lol The sad part is several members liked your post because they agreed with them! Lol

BoysForLife · Jan 20, 2020

America's Cowboy said:
If y'all can dish it, make sure you can take it.

the funny thing is, it's nearly always the Dak backers who bring Romo into the conversation anymore.

Most people who liked/supported Romo fully grasp that he isn't coming back and really don't want to talk about him anymore.
He's having fun in the booth and doing a great job.

When Romo's name comes up these days on this forum, 99% of the time it's usually a "Well Romo had a bad game too on such and such a date" or some similar reference.

Tony's become a go-to fallback defense position for Dak. I loved Romo as our QB as much as anyone. I don't want to talk about him anymore because he has nothing to do with what is going on with this team right now. Bashing Romo does nothing to help make the Cowboys better now. It's low hanging fruit for the Dak supporters. Nothing more, nothing less.

BoysForLife · Jan 20, 2020

morat1959 said:
I realized that after I read a few more of your post. I’m the one one needs to work on reading sarcasm! Lol The sad part is several members liked your post because they agreed with them! Lol

I realized that and laughed pretty hard.
I didn't have the heart to tell them. Plus I always appreciate a boost to my like count..... :laugh:

morat1959 · Jan 20, 2020

BoysForLife said:
I realized that and laughed pretty hard.
I didn't have the heart to tell them. Plus I always appreciate a boost to my like count.....

I may need to take your approach for more likes. Are we in the minority on Dak?

InTheZone · Jan 20, 2020

morat1959 said:
It’s not hate. It’s reality. We want a top tier NFL QB. If Dak’s the franchise QB, we are in for more years of the same ole...same ole.

no, you're a hater

j/k, no really?

America's Cowboy · Jan 20, 2020

BoysForLife said:
the funny thing is, it's nearly always the Dak backers who bring Romo into the conversation anymore.

Most people who liked/supported Romo fully grasp that he isn't coming back and really don't want to talk about him anymore.
He's having fun in the booth and doing a great job.

When Romo's name comes up these days on this forum, 99% of the time it's usually a "Well Romo had a bad game too on such and such a date" or some similar reference.

Tony's become a go-to fallback defense position for Dak. I loved Romo as our QB as much as anyone. I don't want to talk about him anymore because he has nothing to do with what is going on with this team right now. Bashing Romo does nothing to help make the Cowboys better now. It's low hanging fruit for the Dak supporters. Nothing more, nothing less.

How is what I said considered bashing Romo? I was merely pointing out a historical fact against the Dak "big contract" bashers while exposing their hypocrisy, including you. You guys simply don't like being exposed. Too bad.

Like I said, if you can dish it, you'd better make sure you can take it.

BoysForLife · Jan 20, 2020

morat1959 said:
I may need to take your approach for more likes. Are we in the minority on Dak?

On this forum, yes.

In the general Cowboys fanbase and populace, I'm not so sure.

this is purely anecdotal but I ran into an old friend the other day that's a big Cowboys fan and I haven't seen him for a few years.
It was right after MM got hired. So we had a 10-15 minute chat about the state of the team, etc.

He was originally a big Dak Backer. To the point that we had a pretty pointed debate (very friendly, but very adversarial) about who should be the starter in 2016 once Tony was healthy.

So I expected him to be still big time on the Dak train. Suffice it to say, he wasn't. His comments echoed many of our concerns (bad on reads, late on throws, accuracy issues, etc). He said he likes Dak at $2 million. PRetty much hates him as our QB at $35+ million.

I think there are many out there who see Dak for who he is, and also a good many who see him for who they hope he can be.

Problem is, there's only one vote that actually counts. And Jerry seems to be in love with him. so I fear we're probably in trouble. But we're certainly not an insignificant minority within the fanbase. Not by a long shot.

BoysForLife · Jan 20, 2020

America's Cowboy said:
How is what I said considered bashing Romo? I was merely pointing out a historical fact against the Dak "big contract" bashers while exposing their hypocrisy, including you. You guys simply don't like being exposed. Too bad.

Like I said, if you can dish it, you'd better make sure you can take it.

Like I said, I haven't initiated Romo into a conversation in eons.
When I speak of him, it's normally a rebuttal or reply to someone who brought him up.
who, 99% of the time, is a Dak supporter looking to prop Dak up on something Tony supposedly messed up.

You mention Romo almost on a daily basis. And always in a derogatory fashion.
Your record speaks for itself. I have no need, nor any desire, to try and explain it any further.

those that pay attention, recognize your schtick. It's what makes you, you. No need to get offended. I wasn't insulting you. Just making an accurate observation. No big deal bro. You are an angry man. Settle down.

America's Cowboy · Jan 20, 2020

BoysForLife said:
Like I said, I haven't initiated Romo into a conversation in eons.
When I speak of him, it's normally a rebuttal or reply to someone who brought him up.
who, 99% of the time, is a Dak supporter looking to prop Dak up on something Tony supposedly messed up.

You mention Romo almost on a daily basis. And always in a derogatory fashion.
Your record speaks for itself. I have no need, nor any desire, to try and explain it any further.

those that pay attention, recognize your schtick. It's what makes you, you. No need to get offended. I wasn't insulting you. Just making an accurate observation. No big deal bro. You are an angry man. Settle down.

Not angry at all bro. Just stating a fact. When Romo got those 2 big contracts, hardly any of the anti-Dakers were upset. Now that Dak is up to get his first big contract, those Romo supporters are up in arms. We all can see what is going on and why.

BoysForLife · Jan 21, 2020

America's Cowboy said:
Not angry at all bro. Just stating a fact. When Romo got those 2 big contracts, hardly any of the anti-Dakers were upset. Now that Dak is up to get his first big contract, those Romo supporters are up in arms. We all can see what is going on and why.

I'd say it's more about missing the playoffs twice in 3 years in an incredibly weak division

Again, no use talking about Romo. You guys need to learn how to make a case for Prescott without using that #9 crutch

Swagger · Jan 21, 2020

America's Cowboy said:
Not angry at all bro. Just stating a fact. When Romo got those 2 big contracts, hardly any of the anti-Dakers were upset. Now that Dak is up to get his first big contract, those Romo supporters are up in arms. We all can see what is going on and why.

Before the roster became a lot stronger from 2016 onwards compared with the prior 5 years, we all saw the drop off to other quarterbacks when Romo was unable to suit up. Without Romo then wow we would have been utterly dreadful and not in the running to win the division/make the post season. We would have been mad not to pay Romo as he was pretty much all we had to make us relevant unlike now. Romo lost us a few games with his swashbuckling style (arguably would have lost some of those regardless given the state of the team) but he won us a load as well. I look back over the past four years and am unable to specifically think of any/many games where Prescott carried the team to victory. That indicates that the roster is stronger that it was (which is true) and/or that Prescott is more of a game manager (which is true and that's not all negative, safe, efficient and does not turn the ball over very much). It's all relative.

Captain-Crash · Jan 21, 2020

Whirlwin said:
It is truly difficult to judge anything on this current team. Without the correct coaching scheme how can you possibly evaluate what we have. You can’t go from being brilliant to out right ***. Yep I put it on the coaching in the scheme

it's easy, it's the same coaching staff romo played with and this team has better players. Romo was crucified but TefloDak wasn't the problem. everybody was but him. smh.

glimmerman · Jan 21, 2020

Just lay the man. They are going to do it anyways. Give him his 3 year deal. Draft another. Dak wants 3 years so he will sign. If after a year or 2 he isn’t improving then don’t resign him. My guess would be that he will improve and we will resign him. But if he don’t then move on.

Whirlwin · Jan 21, 2020

Captain-Crash said:
it's easy, it's the same coaching staff romo played with and this team has better players. Romo was crucified but TefloDak wasn't the problem. everybody was but him. smh.

Actually only the head coach was the same. Big difference

America's Cowboy · Jan 21, 2020

Swagger said:
Before the roster became a lot stronger from 2016 onwards compared with the prior 5 years, we all saw the drop off to other quarterbacks when Romo was unable to suit up. Without Romo then wow we would have been utterly dreadful and not in the running to win the division/make the post season. We would have been mad not to pay Romo as he was pretty much all we had to make us relevant unlike now. Romo lost us a few games with his swashbuckling style (arguably would have lost some of those regardless given the state of the team) but he won us a load as well. I look back over the past four years and am unable to specifically think of any/many games where Prescott carried the team to victory. That indicates that the roster is stronger that it was (which is true) and/or that Prescott is more of a game manager (which is true and that's not all negative, safe, efficient and does not turn the ball over very much). It's all relative.

I don't know which team you've been watching the past 4 seasons, but Dak has carried the team MANY TIMES over the years.

Aviano90 · Jan 21, 2020

BoysForLife said:
the funny thing is, it's nearly always the Dak backers who bring Romo into the conversation anymore.

Most people who liked/supported Romo fully grasp that he isn't coming back and really don't want to talk about him anymore.
He's having fun in the booth and doing a great job.

When Romo's name comes up these days on this forum, 99% of the time it's usually a "Well Romo had a bad game too on such and such a date" or some similar reference.

Tony's become a go-to fallback defense position for Dak. I loved Romo as our QB as much as anyone. I don't want to talk about him anymore because he has nothing to do with what is going on with this team right now. Bashing Romo does nothing to help make the Cowboys better now. It's low hanging fruit for the Dak supporters. Nothing more, nothing less.

The reason why Romo is brought up is because every complaint against Dak is also valid against Romo. It’s to highlight the hypocrisy from the people who came up with excuses for Romo while not extending that same courtesy to Dak. Here are just a few examples of things you can complain about both QBs:

Holding the ball too long and taking bad sacks
Fumbles
Not performing well against top defenses
Not having a good record against team with winning records
Garbage time stats
Not throwing deep often
Not handing pressure very well

I get people wanting to be critical of the QB position. I just wonder why there is a double standard between the 2 QBs? If it is a problem for one, the same action should be a problem for the other.

NotForLong · Jan 21, 2020

WillieBeamen said:
I went and took a quick gander at Dak’s performances since his 2nd season.

In the last 50 games (including playoffs), the Cowboys have won 2 games against teams that finished top 10 in scoring on defense. 2!

One of those games was against Philly in Week 17 in 2017. The 6-0 game against their third string

Wow

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While you are being nostalgic. Go back and watch the Ravens game after he was "Crowned" the starter. He was terrible. Dak only performs when he has competition. Worse mistake Cowboys have made is to not have competition at the position

xwalker · Jan 21, 2020

Cwby41 said:
First off Im a Dak fan I like the kid and who he is and how he handles himself. I dont see him being a elite QB at this time and Im not a fan of over paying him. That being said he will get paid around 33 to 35 mill with heavy guarantees. Just my feeling
The problem with our offense is that we poured it on against every bad defense we played and shut off against any decent to good defense. Saints, Packers, Bears, Bills, Vikes, Pats and even second game against a banged up Philly Def. We couldnt score. So the question is were we just that more talented to overtake the lesser defenses or is our scheme so poor that better teams we weren't able to rely just totally on skill alone.
I mean for a team to score so many points but do nothing ( except in garbage time which made things look better in a few games)against the better defenses I feel is a cause for concern. What are your thoughts on this? Was it scheme? Dak? Coaching? Or us overvaluing our talent?

Wrong.

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