I think Dak will only sign the Tag

DallasEast · Jan 21, 2020

shabazz said:
No, I just want to see some competition at the Qb position before signing Rayne to a Cap Busting deal. Franchise him, Draft, and let the best man win out. Its mind boggling that the most important position on the team gets tenure and is never challenged. even the Patriots would continue to draft high at the Qb position while Brady was performing well.........this is nothing new, it was done the same way during the Romo years as well

Who would you suggest this front office will target in free agency or the draft with the premeditated intention of having him challenge Prescott as starter? I emphasize 'this front office' because it has not been anything akin to the Patriots or any other highly successfully sustainable front office since a year after Jimmy Johnson left.

The post below may shed some light upon any expected tendency of what this front office will do at the position by examining what it has done in the past:

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/wou...or-over-35-million.451706/page-8#post-9959412

shabazz · Jan 21, 2020

DallasEast said:
Who would you suggest this front office will target in free agency or the draft with the premeditated intention of having him challenge Prescott as starter? I emphasize 'this front office' because it has not been anything akin to the Patriots or any other highly successfully sustainable front office since a year after Jimmy Johnson left.

The post below may shed some light upon any expected tendency of what this front office will do at the position by examining what it has done in the past:

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/wou...or-over-35-million.451706/page-8#post-9959412

My wishes and the FO's are often diametrically opposed and I dont expect them do what I'm suggesting but its merely of my opinion to call out this ridiculous practice of being settled with the status quo. If Dakota is to demand a mammoth contract, he should be the wind that fills all sails but alot of us are not seeing that and there has been plenty of evidence this season to support regime change at that exorbitant price

As to who would challenge Dakota for the starting spot, I will leave that decision to the FO who has no intention of doing so. What I wish and what is capable of this management is two different things........but it is noteworthy that they haven't signed him yet

and yes, that is moo goo gai pan sauce on Raynes wife beater

aria · Jan 21, 2020

I hope Dak throws a an infantile temper tantrum like Zeke and sits out. I think a lot of people will be sorry and he won’t be as easily replaced as some think. Jerrah already showed he will cave, if he did it for a diva RB I’m quite sure he would do it for Dak.

Dak, you’ve earned it, don’t take another snap until you get paid!

shabazz · Jan 21, 2020

Captain-Crash said:
nice troll thread to stir the pot.
the guy isn't a cowboys fan. this is ridiculous.

Isn't he Irvin88's burner account?

shabazz · Jan 21, 2020

aria said:
I hope Dak throws a an infantile temper tantrum like Zeke and sits out. I think a lot of people will be sorry and he won’t be as easily replaced as some think. Jerrah already showed he will cave, if he did it for a diva RB I’m quite sure he would do it for Dak.

Dak, you’ve earned it, don’t take another snap until you get paid!

He sure doesn't have to with the 50Mil in endorsement and Insurance moneys hes made.
The 1 percenters have it made!

Northern_Cowboy · Jan 21, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
No way Dak plays on a tag after seeing Jerry reward Zeke for holding out.

I think he gets tagged and signs it before training camp, he really doesn't have any other choice, what's he gonna do take the chance that somebody else shines (even a little) and if the Cowboys were to spend say a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a QB in the draft this year then what? Also if he holds out and the Cowboys bring in a veteran. It's alot of ifs but i think if you write them down all on paper it's the Cowboys who have more pluses on their said for tagging Dak than Dak does for not signing it.

xwalker · Jan 21, 2020

Dak_Attack_09 said:
I believe Dak is betting on himself again and will not accept a lowball contract from the Jones. Dak wants to prove his worth by taking Dallas on a deep playoff run, and get a long term contract when the new CBA starts with increased Salary Cap. Until then Dak will be taking 1 year deal, let’s go!

Oh yea Dak will have better career than Mahomes with more regular season wins & SBs.

You should stop thinking...

Kwyn · Jan 21, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
We have zero leverage here. No way Dak signs a tag.

I think smart money is on an extension happening during the off-season but there is always a chance Dak would actually prefer the tag and may not be willing to sign this year.

Saw an MFL money article that talked about the new cap numbers coming down in two years and there is some speculation that while Dak couldn’t get Mahomes money this year, he could the year after and in that scenario him betting on himself with a year im the tag might be a gamble he’s willing to take

remember, Dak has never missed a game or been injured. He might think another 16 games at the 30m tag might end up giving him the chance to get an extra 20m on the backend with a delayed extension.

I’m fine with the tag. It keeps our stability in place and let’s us see how Dak and McCarthy do together.

Aven8 · Jan 21, 2020

He may not be perfect, but he’s getting paid folks. Live with it. He’s our leader and the face of the franchise. He’s a winner.

Kwyn · Jan 21, 2020

AmariChill said:
Tag him and draft a new QB, rather it be Tua or Herbert. Dak just isn’t worth the price tag IMO. He played very badly in the latter half of the season with a good roster. That’s concerning IMO.

That’s why I propose we draft a QB, let him sit under Dak for a year. If Dak fails to step up to the plate again, we go with the rookie and let Dak walk/tag him and trade him. He’s gotta be worth something. Maybe trade him for another player or for a 3rd-5th round pick, depending on what team is willing to negotiate and what team needs a good (backup) QB. I say we draft a QB first round, then a DT, CB, S or TE, S or TE, DE, and then pick up some special teams in FA.

I thought for the sake of my poor fingers I would copy a post I made in another thread

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It’s quite possible that we see an early run on QB’s so I’m not sure this year we would even have an opportunity to do anything. There are some really QB hungry teams with high draft picks

Bengals - Need: QB - Pick - Burrow
Commanders - Need: OL - Pick: Daniels
Lions - Need: CB - Pick: Okudah
Giants - Need: CB, OL - Pick: Jeudy
Dolphins - Need: QB - Pick: Tua
Chargers - Need: QB - Pick: Hebert

So, if we want to get ahead of the Dolphins or the Chargers we would need to make a trade.

Commanders are going to get the best player in the draft and a guy who has a chance to be an elite edge. No way they move out of that spot because they may never get another chance to get a guy like Young. Taking Young would make the Commanders D- Line absolutely terrifying for the next half dozen years

Lions - They need a CB but they can feel very confident that Okudah will be available at 7 but I wouldn’t expect him to get past the Cardinals at 8. Still, for reasons mentioned in the next paragraph this is likely the only way the Cowboys could get Tua or Hebert

Giants - They don’t *need* an elite WR as much as they need to fill some other holes. For most teams who might dream of moving up ahead of Miami, this would be the place to go. Probably a non-starter for the Cowboys though. How often do teams trade a top 5 pick to a division rival? Most would rather eat glass

so, what would it take to get the #3 overall?

Jimmy J’s draft pick analyzer shows we would probably need to give up #17 this year and our #1 next year plus a 2nd rounder to move up to #3 overall and those would be friend prices. It would likely take more.

I don’t know if many of us, even the most rabid Dak deniers would be fired up to do that just for a chance at a big injury risk in Tua or a guy like Hebert

Now, there are more QBs out there, but it starts to drop off and only two are likely worthy of being a late 1st or early 2nd pick.

Jake Fromm and Jacob Eason will likely both be there at #17 but neither are going to be there at #51. The Colts will almost certainly take one of them at #34.

Does Fromm do anything for anyone? What about Eason? Would you use #17 for either?

Kwyn · Jan 21, 2020

csirl said:
Dak could easily get another 3-4 years unchallenged in NY.

Except for their current starting QB who was the #6 overall in last years draft

csirl · Jan 21, 2020

Kwyn said:
Except for their current starting QB who was the #6 overall in last years draft

Wait until JG makes him look like Weedon/Cassel playing for Dallas.

atlantacowboy · Jan 21, 2020

Kwyn said:
I think smart money is on an extension happening during the off-season but there is always a chance Dak would actually prefer the tag and may not be willing to sign this year.

Saw an MFL money article that talked about the new cap numbers coming down in two years and there is some speculation that while Dak couldn’t get Mahomes money this year, he could the year after and in that scenario him betting on himself with a year im the tag might be a gamble he’s willing to take

remember, Dak has never missed a game or been injured. He might think another 16 games at the 30m tag might end up giving him the chance to get an extra 20m on the backend with a delayed extension.

I’m fine with the tag. It keeps our stability in place and let’s us see how Dak and McCarthy do together.

I wish he would sign the tag but its the foolish move. He's already gambled once and he certainly didn't improve his stock wracking up a lot of garbage time yards and leading the team to an 8-8 record while losing to teams like the NYJ and beating nobody. Dak didn't lead a single come from behind win in 2019.

OmerV · Jan 21, 2020

Dak_Attack_09 said:
I believe Dak is betting on himself again and will not accept a lowball contract from the Jones. Dak wants to prove his worth by taking Dallas on a deep playoff run, and get a long term contract when the new CBA starts with increased Salary Cap. Until then Dak will be taking 1 year deal, let’s go!

Oh yea Dak will have better career than Mahomes with more regular season wins & SBs.

Dak already bet on himself by not signing before this season. I doubt he (and his agent) will want to push it any further and risk an injury affecting his chance for a big payday.

IslandCowboy · Jan 21, 2020

DallasEast said:
Supposedly, Jones' initial contract offer was in the low-to-mid $30 million range. Certainly, Prescott is seeking more but how can that offer be framed as 'lowball'? These are monies in the tens of millions not Monopoly money.

Because the market for QBs says it's a lowball offer. If I offer someone $100,000 for their mansion in NYC that would be a low ball offer even though it is a substantial amount of money because the housing market dictates it's a lowball offer. The significance of the dollar value does not determine the appropriateness of the offer. It is the amount of money compared to the market value that determines the appropriateness of the offer.

MysteryIceGuro · Jan 21, 2020

Kwyn said:
I thought for the sake of my poor fingers I would copy a post I made in another thread

—

It’s quite possible that we see an early run on QB’s so I’m not sure this year we would even have an opportunity to do anything. There are some really QB hungry teams with high draft picks

Bengals - Need: QB - Pick - Burrow

Commanders - Need: OL - Pick: Daniels

Lions - Need: CB - Pick: Okudah

Giants - Need: CB, OL - Pick: Jeudy

Dolphins - Need: QB - Pick: Tua

Chargers - Need: QB - Pick: Hebert

So, if we want to get ahead of the Dolphins or the Chargers we would need to make a trade.

Commanders are going to get the best player in the draft and a guy who has a chance to be an elite edge. No way they move out of that spot because they may never get another chance to get a guy like Young. Taking Young would make the Commanders D- Line absolutely terrifying for the next half dozen years

Lions - They need a CB but they can feel very confident that Okudah will be available at 7 but I wouldn’t expect him to get past the Cardinals at 8. Still, for reasons mentioned in the next paragraph this is likely the only way the Cowboys could get Tua or Hebert

Giants - They don’t *need* an elite WR as much as they need to fill some other holes. For most teams who might dream of moving up ahead of Miami, this would be the place to go. Probably a non-starter for the Cowboys though. How often do teams trade a top 5 pick to a division rival? Most would rather eat glass

so, what would it take to get the #3 overall?

Jimmy J’s draft pick analyzer shows we would probably need to give up #17 this year and our #1 next year plus a 2nd rounder to move up to #3 overall and those would be friend prices. It would likely take more.

I don’t know if many of us, even the most rabid Dak deniers would be fired up to do that just for a chance at a big injury risk in Tua or a guy like Hebert

Now, there are more QBs out there, but it starts to drop off and only two are likely worthy of being a late 1st or early 2nd pick.

Jake Fromm and Jacob Eason will likely both be there at #17 but neither are going to be there at #51. The Colts will almost certainly take one of them at #34.

Does Fromm do anything for anyone? What about Eason? Would you use #17 for either?

I'd take a shot at Fromm and Eason as well. We just need a FIRST ROUND QB.

DallasEast · Jan 21, 2020

shabazz said:
My wishes and the FO's are often diametrically opposed and I dont expect them do what I'm suggesting but its merely of my opinion to call out this ridiculous practice of being settled with the status quo. If Dakota is to demand a mammoth contract, he should be the wind that fills all sails but alot of us are not seeing that and there has been plenty of evidence this season to support regime change at that exorbitant price

As to who would challenge Dakota for the starting spot, I will leave that decision to the FO who has no intention of doing so. What I wish and what is capable of this management is two different things........but it is noteworthy that they haven't signed him yet

Fair enough.

shabazz said:
and yes, that is moo goo gai pan sauce on Raynes wife beater

Wait. What? :laugh:

DallasEast · Jan 21, 2020

IslandCowboy said:
Because the market for QBs says it's a lowball offer. If I offer someone $100,000 for their mansion in NYC that would be a low ball offer even though it is a substantial amount of money because the housing market dictates it's a lowball offer. The significance of the dollar value does not determine the appropriateness of the offer. It is the amount of money compared to the market value that determines the appropriateness of the offer.

So. If something has a market value of $2 and offer of $1.50 is initially offered, the initial offer is a lowball. And would be initially the same if the initial offer was a quarter.

Got it.

IslandCowboy · Jan 21, 2020

DallasEast said:
So. If something has a market value of $2 and offer of $1.50 is initially offered, the initial offer is a lowball. And would be initially the same if the initial offer was a quarter.

Got it.

I would define "lowball" as below market value. So yes. Markets change, you might have paid $0.25 for something back in 1980 that's now $2. Football markets change rapidly because every player that is signed affects it.

DallasEast · Jan 21, 2020

IslandCowboy said:
I would define "lowball" as below market value. So yes. Markets change, you might have paid $0.25 for something back in 1980 that's now $2. Football markets change rapidly because every player that is signed affects it.

My original reply, that you responded to, was my opinion of current relative market value between what was initially offered and whatever sought after figure Prescott hopes to attain. It had nothing to do with relative value between different time periods.

As I stated earlier, I get that your definition of lowball is any figure below what you are and anyone else is guessing will be 2020's market value for quarterbacks. Ergo, my earlier example. I disagree but my change my opinion if-and-when both parties reach contractual terms.

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