Philly could be eyeing Byron Jones

I wish some fans would stop equating a great corner to interceptions. They're great and a turnover matters 100%, but unless you illustrate how many passes are denied by Jones that forces a punt, passes defensed etc.. you're just not looking at the whole picture in my opinion.

Lets see. Jones was drafted in the 1st round and was first tried at safety but wasn't much of a hitter and did little to stop TEs from catching passes. They moved him to corner because he showed some speed but this season receivers still caught passes yet Jones had zero picks. Aren't the top corners either not thrown at or when they do throw to the corner's side don't they come up with some picks? Jones may be the best corner they have but all that means is they don't have a really good secondary.
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quickccc said:

Considering Jones in FA, has nothing to do with what was considered of Vincent coming out of Wisconsin, as if any of those personnel guys, GMs or coaches were even around the time Vincent was drafted.

But it's clear that Vincent dispelled those supposed pre-draft rumors and supposed flaws, whereas whether safety or CB, getting INTs is clearly not a skill set with Byron, as he doesn't
drive on the ball or has the ball skills or any awareness to produce INTs.

Eagles have been piss poor hurting at CBs for years now and now it's reach it's most climatic point. Every team licks their chops to have a chance to get after their bump n' run, press-CBs.
from what else is available out there in FA, Harris and Jones clearly are meal- tickets in the market this upcoming season.

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On the contrary, I think the situations are basically the same. I mean, I do realize that it's a long time between Vincent in the early 90s and Jones now but the situations are still familiar. Philly was bad in the secondary for a few reasons but mostly because of injuries. They will be better next year but adding Smith would definitely help them and it would definitely hurt us IMO. That is, of course, unless we replace him with somebody who is better and while I know a lot of the fan base believes Jones is not very good, guys who can do what he does are not exactly littered all over the NFL landscape. So if we are going to go get somebody better, they won't be cheap and so, where does the money come from? The whole reason we might lose Jones is because of Cap.

Now, if by "years" you mean two season, then OK but the Eagles have not been terrible in the secondary for all that long. In 2017, they were the 4th ranked Defense in the NFL, 4th in TOs and 4th in INTs. They have not been bad for years but, they have been forced to allow players to move on and have been forced to replace them with other, less productive players. Now, why is that? What has happened that has forced these moves because traditionally, Philly has always been about Defense and good strong secondary play.

As an FYI, the concerns over Vincent when he signed with Philly were still the same. He didn't have great ball skills. That didn't change when Philly signed him, they were still there. Now, it looks like they are trying to get back to what they were when they won the SB. I mean, they still have to actually sign guys but if this info is true, then that's probably going to make them better and us weaker. JMO

starfan1 said:

who says that if Byron goes that chido automatically becomes your number 1 cover guy

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Well you aren't going to draft anybody who is better than Chido day 1, and if you're going to spend the money on an upgrade in FA, you might as well just pay Byron.

ABQCOWBOY said:

Vincent also played for like 47 years but yes, you are correct. Philly should probably reconsider all of this. Maybe you can talk to them?

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I’ve reached out to my people.

Future said:

Well you aren't going to draft anybody who is better than Chido day 1, and if you're going to spend the money on an upgrade in FA, you might as well just pay Byron.

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How do we know that ? Perhaps it’s not the best example but Anthony Brown was a 6th round draft pick and he played better his rookie year than chido did last year but I guess that ain’t saying much

that being said I fully expect corner will be a high priority perhaps first 2 or 3 rounds

This is the time of year when you start hearing the Eagles are interested in every free agent in the NFL. I would take it with a grain of salt. They do need CB's, and they do need safeties, but the draft is plentiful. Byron would fit either one.

I'm not real worried about the Eagles. It seems like every time they try to hurt us it backfires. They did win big by snagging Dallas Goddert that'll smart for a while.

They can have him....most overrated CB in the league.

CalPolyTechnique said:

I’ve reached out to my people.

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Excellent news! But wait, your people are in Pomona though right? I'm not sure that helps......

gjkoeppen said:

Lets see. Jones was drafted in the 1st round and was first tried at safety but wasn't much of a hitter and did little to stop TEs from catching passes. They moved him to corner because he showed some speed but this season receivers still caught passes yet Jones had zero picks. Aren't the top corners either not thrown at or when they do throw to the corner's side don't they come up with some picks? Jones may be the best corner they have but all that means is they don't have a really good secondary.
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Stopping TEs was literally the best thing he did at S, and he was excellent at it.
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Byron isn't thrown at. He had 33 fewer targets than Chido.

DuncanIso said:

he gave up 34 catches last season.

he is technically a lock down corner.

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Thats 2 catches a game. Steven will find us a guy who will do better.......

starfan1 said:

How do we know that ? Perhaps it’s not the best example but Anthony Brown was a 6th round draft pick and he played better his rookie year than chido did last year but I guess that ain’t saying much

that being said I fully expect corner will be a high priority perhaps first 2 or 3 rounds

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No he didn't. At no point has Anthony Brown been better than Chido.

gjkoeppen said:

Lets see. Jones was drafted in the 1st round and was first tried at safety but wasn't much of a hitter and did little to stop TEs from catching passes. They moved him to corner because he showed some speed but this season receivers still caught passes yet Jones had zero picks. Aren't the top corners either not thrown at or when they do throw to the corner's side don't they come up with some picks? Jones may be the best corner they have but all that means is they don't have a really good secondary.
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Passes were completed on him under 40 times all season. That's actually kind of ridiculous. That's a couple times a game. I'll give you turnovers. The entire defense underachieved.

I think he's a top notch Corner, without the interceptions of course, so naturally we'll let him go. That's the Cowboy way.

DuncanIso said:

he gave up 34 catches last season.

he is technically a lock down corner.

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Yep. His catch allow rate (53.1%) is right in line with the best corners in the league - Lattimore and White (50%), Gilmore (50.5%).

Future said:

Stopping TEs was literally the best thing he did at S, and he was excellent at it.
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Byron isn't thrown at. He had 33 fewer targets than Chido.

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If he was so good at safety and covering TE's is one of the primary functions of a safety, why did they move him to corner where he wouldn't have such a big size differential? The top corners in the league have maybe anywhere from 3-5, sometimes less, passes thrown at the receivers they are covering because QB's don't want to chance a pick. Jones had zero picks and QB's didn't have this burning fear of getting picked by Jones. Also every team and QB are going to try to take advantage of the weakest corner so just because Jones had fewer targets by no means proves that Jones is/was a top tier corner.
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gjkoeppen said:

If he was so good at safety and covering TE's is one of the primary functions of a safety, why did they move him to corner where he wouldn't have such a big size differential? The top corners in the league have maybe anywhere from 3-5, sometimes less, passes thrown at the receivers they are covering because QB's don't want to chance a pick. Jones had zero picks and QB's didn't have this burning fear of getting picked by Jones. Also every team and QB are going to try to take advantage of the weakest corner so just because Jones had fewer targets by no means proves that Jones is/was a top tier corner.
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Because Jason Garrett is the worst coach in NFL history.

You brought up targets not me. He's not thrown at. You can take that to mean whatever you want.

Not ideal but not a crisis if they sign him. I assume he's going to want $14+ million. He's a good cover guy but isn't a playmaker. A CB needs to generate turnovers to be worth that kind of cap space IMO.

Future said:

Because Jason Garrett is the worst coach in NFL history.

You brought up targets not me. He's not thrown at. You can take that to mean whatever you want.

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I'll quote you. Comment #90 "Byron isn't thrown at. He had 33 fewer targets than Chido." It helps if you either remember what you write or at least go back and check things when you don't remember.
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Future said:

No he didn't. At no point has Anthony Brown been better than Chido.

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Well you go on thinking that . I’m not saying he was Deion but the cowboys were thrilled you’re missing the point though and that’s that you don’t know what your going to get in the draft and I don’t consider it a stretch to think that they can’t draft someone who can give you better than chido gave this year right out of the gate

that said I also don’t consider it a stretch to think that chido can’t recover he showed good signs 2 years ago and part of his issue was Richards coaching techniques