Cowboys should not move up and get bpa

jrumann59 · Jan 22, 2020

doesn't moving up fly in the face of BPA. I know moving down is a mantra for BPA, if you need say a DT, S, and OT and in round 1 you are sitting there and BPA is a RB you look to trade to get more picks and still get BPA at position of need..

Doomsday101 · Jan 22, 2020

https://***USER-BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1***/draftchart.php

Looking at the chart I would say if a player like DT Derrick Brown is still on the board at 12 or 13 you bet I would be willing to move up to get him. I'm not opposed to staying up at 17 but I also do not know how the draft will play out and if the opportunity came where a player I may have rated very high and feel he would bring a big impact to a area of need then yes I would not be afraid to go get that player.

gjkoeppen · Jan 22, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
I'm not opposed to moving up a few spots if they see a player they really want. To me is not how many picks you get but the quality of the picks you end up with. They very well could stay were they are and get a player they really want but would not limit my options.

With a new coach and undoubtedly roster turnover and 25 UFA moving up to get any player and using VALUABLE picks doing it is just not very smart at all. You could talk many into it if the Cowboys were just a single player away from winning it all but we both know that's not the case. With all the needs this team has they have to hit on all of their draft picks and can't afford to use multiple picks on just one player.
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Doomsday101 · Jan 22, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
With a new coach and undoubtedly roster turnover and 25 UFA moving up to get any player and using VALUABLE picks doing it is just not very smart at all. You could talk many into it if the Cowboys were just a single player away from winning it all but we both know that's not the case. With all the needs this team has they have to hit on all of their draft picks and can't afford to use multiple picks on just one player.
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I'm sorry I disagree. I will take quality of player over quantity. Yes 25 with only a few that will have higher demands and other FA who could be signed for lower cost. I’m just more interested in getting a high end player who can bring an impact. Again not opposed to staying put only saying if there is a player like a Brown who I feel could bring a big impact on defense much like a Donaldson in LA then you bet I would take that player. Quality over quantity any day of the week

BrassCowboy · Jan 22, 2020

Supercowboy1986 said:
And get our new Cowboys draftee.
Cowboys would not be dealing here I figure as they have no need for a QB.

If we wanna win more, we need a qb

conner01 · Jan 22, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
https://***USER-BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1***/draftchart.php

Looking at the chart I would say if a player like DT Derrick Brown is still on the board at 12 or 13 you bet I would be willing to move up to get him. I'm not opposed to staying up at 17 but I also do not know how the draft will play out and if the opportunity came where a player I may have rated very high and feel he would bring a big impact to a area of need then yes I would not be afraid to go get that player.

There are a few worth moving up a few spots but most of them will go top 10 anyway
Brown is one if he fell to 12-13 I’d go get but we need more picks than we have, and he’s not falling that far

gjkoeppen · Jan 22, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
I'm sorry I disagree. I will take quality of player over quantity. Yes 25 with only a few that will have higher demands and other FA who could be signed for lower cost. I’m just more interested in getting a high end player who can bring an impact. Again not opposed to staying put only saying if there is a player like a Brown who I feel could bring a big impact on defense much like a Donaldson in LA then you bet I would take that player. Quality over quantity any day of the week

Nobody is saying to draft just any player just to use that pick, but taking a player who's talent is reflected in the pick taken. No reaches. But with all the needs this team has to use multiple draft picks for one player even if he's an impact player because a single impact player isn't going make up for all the positions where help is needed. There's a fine line between drafting, resigning the players they must resign, deciding which UFA's to let walk and with whatever cap space left decide what free agents they can sign to either fill holes or add depth to the roster to complete the team.
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kskboys · Jan 22, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
I would say BPA who fills needs. If you are pretty loaded at a certain position no team will continue to draft that position and not address need. However it can't be just need either because that is where you end up reaching for a position and may not get the true talent to fill it.

Yup, reaching for need is also a bad drafting strategy.

ItzKelz · Jan 23, 2020

Trading up is to get a player you want not bpa.

Doomsday101 · Jan 23, 2020

conner01 said:
There are a few worth moving up a few spots but most of them will go top 10 anyway
Brown is one if he fell to 12-13 I’d go get but we need more picks than we have, and he’s not falling that far

1st off we don't know who will be on the board as 12 or 13, every year players slide when experts did not expect it. My point in all of this is too leave option open. I have said I'm fine at 17 but also open to moving up if the right player were to slide to say 12 or 13. I'm not talking about moving inside the top 10. I don't see the object as how many players can you get, I see it as a opportunity to get players who can make a real impact and if moving up a few spots allows that to happen than I'm good with that.

Doomsday101 · Jan 23, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
Nobody is saying to draft just any player just to use that pick, but taking a player who's talent is reflected in the pick taken. No reaches. But with all the needs this team has to use multiple draft picks for one player even if he's an impact player because a single impact player isn't going make up for all the positions where help is needed. There's a fine line between drafting, resigning the players they must resign, deciding which UFA's to let walk and with whatever cap space left decide what free agents they can sign to either fill holes or add depth to the roster to complete the team.
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the team needs DT and safety 2 main needs. This team is not devoid of talent. Most who cover the NFL understand that this is a talented team which is why Garrett lost his job. They saw the talent and no reason why this team should have not made it to post season. Clearly if your mindset it we have little talent and need a lot of players fine, but I don't see that.

Doomsday101 · Jan 23, 2020

kskboys said:
Yup, reaching for need is also a bad drafting strategy.

Yes it is, I would only move up if I was completely sold on that player. A guy like Brown whom I doubt would fall to 12 or 13 is one of those highly talented DT entering the draft. He is a guy who brings big impact on the DL. You think giving up a mid rd pick to move up and get him is bad? fine I don't. As Gil Brandt once said you see a player you really want then you must go get him, you don't sit around thinking what if. I'm not talking about jumping to the top 5 of this draft but if moving up a few spots gets me a player that I really like and whom I think could make a great impact then you bet I would move up and get him.

conner01 · Jan 23, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
1st off we don't know who will be on the board as 12 or 13, every year players slide when experts did not expect it. My point in all of this is too leave option open. I have said I'm fine at 17 but also open to moving up if the right player were to slide to say 12 or 13. I'm not talking about moving inside the top 10. I don't see the object as how many players can you get, I see it as a opportunity to get players who can make a real impact and if moving up a few spots allows that to happen than I'm good with that.

I agree
There are players in this draft worth moving up for if they got in reach
I’d rather have one less player and have Aaron Donald than have that extra guy who is maybe a role player
You never know who’s falling but the few I’d give an extra pick for probably won’t just because they are the elite of the draft like brown
But if he’s there at 12-13 I’m sure gonna be on the phone

CowboyRoy · Jan 23, 2020

Supercowboy1986 said:
And get our new Cowboys draftee.
Cowboys would not be dealing here I figure as they have no need for a QB.

I wouldnt pass up on ANY great player, including a QB. Doesnt matter if Mahones is our QB.

Doomsday101 · Jan 23, 2020

conner01 said:
I agree
There are players in this draft worth moving up for if they got in reach
I’d rather have one less player and have Aaron Donald than have that extra guy who is maybe a role player
You never know who’s falling but the few I’d give an extra pick for probably won’t just because they are the elite of the draft like brown
But if he’s there at 12-13 I’m sure gonna be on the phone

I'm content at 17 but for the right player you bet I move up, clearly Brown would be one of those players.

conner01 · Jan 23, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
I'm content at 17 but for the right player you bet I move up, clearly Brown would be one of those players.

Young and brown would probably be mine
These guys are elite prospects at hard to get positions

shabazz · Jan 23, 2020

.......moving up from 27th to 10th seemed to work out pretty good for Kansas City. They gave up a 1st and a 3rd for a REAL franchise Qb

Verdict · Jan 23, 2020

thunderpimp91 said:
I agree, unless they fill multiple needs in FA and are really targeting a specific position/person.

Just too many needs to justify trading up. I'd love to get kinlaw, but I think the cowboys have a good chance of a good player falling to them at 17, either a DT, DE, DB, or WR. I just dont see a huge talent differential from picks 3-17. Plus a ton of roster turnover this year. Those extra picks they would have to give up are very valuable to rebuilding depth.

What would be ideal is seeing 4 or 5 players that the Cowboys have graded equally on the board when they pick and moving back 2 or 3 spots and still getting their guy.

I think there is going to be good value in round two this year.

Verdict · Jan 23, 2020

shabazz said:
.......moving up from 27th to 10th seemed to work out pretty good for Kansas City. They gave up a 1st and a 3rd for a REAL franchise Qb

Yeah. And if a worm had a machine gun, the birds wouldn’t try to eat him.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

shabazz · Jan 23, 2020

Verdict said:
Yeah. And if a worm had a machine gun, the birds wouldn’t try to eat him.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Ya cant have hindsight by doing nothing. So sit pat with a pair of Deuces

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