The Elite QB Farce

khiladi · Jan 23, 2020

Streetwise said:
He cut his fumbles in half last season compared to 2018. 12-6.
More importantly, he only lost 2.

So your claim is really unfounded.

You mean when he had the best pass blocking in the league, getting sacked the second least amount of times, while leading the league in pass attempts by a long shot and with all our long-developing routes? He led the league in fumbles as a QB when he STARTS FEELING PRESSURE, like in 2018 so no my claim still stands. And he also should have had at least 3 pick 6s off the top of my head this year, but the DBs dropper passed tight in their hands.

Nobody fumbles if they got ALL DAY TO THROW.

G2 · Jan 23, 2020

khiladi said:
You mean when he had the best pass blocking in the league, getting sacked the second least amount of times, while leading the league in pass attempts by a long shot and with all our long-developing routes? He led the league in fumbles as a QB when he STARTS FEELING PRESSURE, like in 2018 so no my claim still stands. And he also should have had at least 3 pick 6s off the top of my head this year, but the DBs dropper passed tight in their hands.

Nobody fumbles if they got ALL DAY TO THROW.

Your claim is flimsy.
You'll literally say anything to crap on Prescott, it's sad.

Now you're counting INTs that never happened. Can I count passes that the WR dropped too? That's what we REALLY led the NFL in.

khiladi · Jan 23, 2020

Kwyn said:
Hmm. Statistical reality would like to have a word

Dak was in a three way tie for 23rd amongst all QB’s. He had six.

Notable QB’s with more fumbles than Dak

Garropolo - your hero apparently

Wilson

Wentz

Jones

Minshew

Darnold

Lamar

Deshaun

Cousins

Rivers

Rodgers

Goff

Mayfield

Carr

JG has 10

Speaking of JG, and to quote a great man, "Let's not break out the anointing oil just yet."

Notice how I qualified my statement WHEN THE PRESSURE COMES.

In 2018, he LED the league in fumbles for QBs. Last season, Dak had the best pass protection in the league, especially because Frederick came back and Collins arguably took the next step as one of the best OL in the league, and best RT.

Nobody is anointing JG. It’s Dak homers trying to anoint Dak and ignore all the circumstances that surround him. Every other QB has it easy, except for apparently Dak, who had one of the best line in the league by far last year and continually, for the last four years, seen more stacked boxes and man on the outside with one deep safety his whole career.

CouchCoach · Jan 23, 2020

khiladi said:
You mean when he had the best pass blocking in the league, getting sacked the second least amount of times, while leading the league in pass attempts by a long shot and with all our long-developing routes? He led the league in fumbles as a QB when he STARTS FEELING PRESSURE, like in 2018 so no my claim still stands. And he also should have had at least 3 pick 6s off the top of my head this year, but the DBs dropper passed tight in their hands.

Nobody fumbles if they got ALL DAY TO THROW.

That was in 2018, I don't think it's fair not to consider him working on his pocket presence with Kitna and Moore and improving in that area.

The one thing that really isn't fair from the Dakaters is the fact, FACT, that he did improve as a passer from 2018 to 2019. Yes, I wish he was more consistently accurate but I don't focus as much on the misses as those it serves a purpose to rag on him.

The fact is we've got another Romo on our hands, a polarizing QB that many think they have to choose sides on and not consider that he could improve even more.

khiladi · Jan 23, 2020

Streetwise said:
Your claim is flimsy.
You'll literally say anything to crap on Prescott, it's sad.

Now you're counting INTs that never happened. Can I count passes that the WR dropped too? That's what we REALLY led the NFL in.

No, my claim was fact. You basically understand arguments like Dak reads defenses. Dak led the league in fumbles in 2018. I qualified my point accordingly that he starts getting antsy under little pressure and starts turning the ball over. Last year he sat back all day with the best pass blocking in the business and he still choked in the end anyways.

This has been his MO since college.

You’ll literally try anything to defend Dak.

khiladi · Jan 23, 2020

CouchCoach said:
That was in 2018, I don't think it's fair not to consider him working on his pocket presence with Kitna and Moore and improving in that area.

The one thing that really isn't fair from the Dakaters is the fact, FACT, that he did improve as a passer from 2018 to 2019. Yes, I wish he was more consistently accurate but I don't focus as much on the misses as those it serves a purpose to rag on him.

The fact is we've got another Romo on our hands, a polarizing QB that many think they have to choose sides on and not consider that he could improve even more.

No, it absolutely is fair, because Dak had the best pass blocking in the league last year. Frederick returned and Collins became dominant.

I hardly doubt it has anything to do with Moore and Kitna and yet again, he still choked to end the season. The Eagles had Dallas WRs running around wide open all day and in single coverage.

G2 · Jan 23, 2020

khiladi said:
No, my claim was fact. You basically understand arguments like Dak reads defenses. Dak led the league in fumbles in 2018. I qualified my point accordingly that he starts getting antsy under little pressure and starts turning the ball over. Last year he sat back all day with the best pass blocking in the business and he still choked in the end anyways.

You’ll literally try anything to defend Dak.

Yes, you want to include dropped INTs as completions to fuel your Prescott hatred. You're derailing. He deserves to be defended from such blatant nonsense.

"Waaaaaaa....he had a good O line...Waaaaaaaaaaaa."

khiladi · Jan 23, 2020

Streetwise said:
Yes, you want to include dropped INTs as completions to fuel your Prescott hatred. You're derailing. He deserves to be defended from such blatant nonsense.

Waaaaaaa....he had a good O lone...Waaaaaaaaaaaa.

I get so much in your feels and here you are claiming I’m crying.

Yes, I included dropped INTs among the MAIN point, which you obviously couldn’t refute. Of course I could also bring in all the yards Dak leaves in the field, while having all day to throw, because he’s always throwing high and behind his WRs, but you get the point.

But continue on pretending that I’m not in your feels, when it’s clear by you’re posts that I am.

The fact your going to sit there and use JG passing yardage in the NFC championship game as proof of JG supposedly not being able to pass is hilarious. He didn’t need to, because GB couldn’t STOP THE RUN.

G2 · Jan 23, 2020

khiladi said:
I get so much in your feels and here you are claiming I’m crying.

Yes, I included dropped INTs among the MAIN point, which you obviously couldn’t refute. Of course I could also bring in all the yards Dak leaves in the field, while having all day to throw, because he’s always throwing high and behind his WRs, but you get the point.

You keep repeating the O line was amazing, over and over and over. So what? Your perception on the time Prescott had to throw is warped. "Always throwing high and behind" - Also BS. You are too absolute with your hate that it's clouding your brain.

The pro Prescott fans think he's better than he is and the haters think he's more awful than he is. Thank God there are a bunch in-between.

khiladi · Jan 23, 2020

Streetwise said:
You keep repeating the O line was amazing, over and over and over. So what? Your perception on the time Prescott had to throw is warped. "Always throwing high and behind" - Also BS. You are too absolute with your hate that it's clouding your brain.

The pro Prescott fans think he's better than he is and the haters think he's more awful than he is. Thank God there are a bunch in-between.

ah OK, so when Dak sucks, it’s the OL fault and everybody else’s fault. But when they are the best in the league and any NFL QB, given all day to throw, can throw for plenty of yardage, Dak is top tier..

Guess what.. Tannehill got sacked like 56 times and still got farther than Dak. All he needed was a top flight running game that Dak has had for the last FOUR YEARS. JG is already in the SB, with an established run game. When these QBs succeed, it’s everybody around them. But suddenly it’s “so what” that Dallas has the best OL in the league..

Dak was choking it away against the bum Eagles secondary who completely disrespected Dak with single coverage on his WRs all day long.

G2 · Jan 23, 2020

khiladi said:
ah OK, so when Dak sucks, it’s the OL fault and everybody else’s fault. But when they are the best in the league and any NFL QB, given all day to throw, can throw for plenty of yardage, Dak is top tier..

Guess what.. Tannehill got sacked like 56 times and still got farther than Dak. All he needed was a top flight running game that Dak has had for the last FOUR YEARS. JG is already in the SB, with an established run game. When these QBs succeed, it’s everybody around them. But suddenly it’s “so what” that Dallas has the best OL in the league..

Dak was choking it away against the bum Eagles secondary who completely disrespected Dak with single coverage on his WRs all day long.

You can't read, I never said any of that. You're struggling. Get help with the reading.

khiladi · Jan 23, 2020

Streetwise said:
You can't read, I never said any of that. You're struggling. Get help with the reading.

Sure you didn’t. I mean it’s not like you used JG throwing for 77 yards when GB couldn’t stop the run, which had absolutely NOTHING to do with his ability to throw or not throw the ball as some type of point to defend Dak.. but carry on in your denial and you supposedly not being triggered about your boy Dak..

Kwyn · Jan 23, 2020

CouchCoach said:
The fact is we've got another Romo on our hands, a polarizing QB that many think they have to choose sides on and not consider that he could improve even more.

What we’ve got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can’t reach.

There are some posters provavlyvhated Aikman. If we had Mahomes, they would hate on him.

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

G2 · Jan 23, 2020

khiladi said:
Sure you didn’t. I mean it’s not like you used JG throwing for 77 yards when GB couldn’t stop the run, which had absolutely NOTHING to do with his ability to throw or not throw the ball as some type of point to defend Dak.. but carry on in your denial and you supposedly not being triggered about your boy Dak..

Triggered by some dude online? Lmao, yeah no.

Good talk.

CouchCoach · Jan 23, 2020

Kwyn said:
What we’ve got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can’t reach.

There are some posters provavlyvhated Aikman. If we had Mahomes, they would hate on him.

Some men just want to watch the world burn.

Well, we are on an open debate sports forum and that's a bit of an open invitation to disagree. There's nothing here we all agree on, even getting rid of Garrett.

That is magnified on a Cowboys fan forum because of the entitlement that accompanies. We are the Cowboys, we should have the best of everything. What are we doing with THIS QB? Hell, they even picked him in the 4th round. Where's his pedigree? Don't they know we have that stadium and the Star and all the toys?

And nothing reveals that entitlement more than when some player has proven to be less than good, let's trade him! Like there's a rule that the other teams must trade with the Cowboys because they're the Cowboys.

keysersoze · Jan 23, 2020

Streetwise said:
Triggered by some dude online? Lmao, yeah no.

Good talk.

Please stop feeding the Troll. That dude is a clown. Debating with a Lame is useless. Don’t waste energy or intelligence on him.

G2 · Jan 23, 2020

keysersoze said:
Please stop feeding the Troll. That dude is a clown. Debating with a Lame is useless. Don’t waste energy or intelligence on him.

I think he has a woodrow for Jimmy G

Reid1boys · Jan 23, 2020

CouchCoach said:
I've seen so much of that here. "Got to have an elite QB" and "can't get it done without that elite QB".

The only thing I agree with is that the Cowboys do not have an elite QB and he probably won't ever be considered that.

Brady, Brees, Wilson, Jackson, Watson all have been mentioned with as that old guard elite or the new guard. Mahomes is in that group and along with Rodgers, the only ones left in the playoffs and is Rodgers there because he's played elite this season or is it the RB and DE's? And the fact that Brees, Rodgers and Wilson only have one ring doesn't seem to matter.

Did you catch Brees, Jackson, Wilson and Watson trying to lift their teams? Or did you catch Tannehill in his last two playoff games with <200 yards? Which is it better to have? The QB to lift the team or the team to support the QB? Ask Brady, Brees, Wilson, Jackson and Watson.

This is not about Prescott, it is about every team has to build around the QB and Brees, Rodgers and Wilson are proof. Elway was elite and he wouldn't have any rings if not for a HC and RB and an offensive philosophical change..

Roger and Troy had to have teams around them, same with Starr, Bradshaw, Montana and Brady wasn't that bad this season, the team around him wasn't the usual standard.

It's one thing we've seen, different kinds of teams can do it different ways, there isn't just one template. Get that elite QB and ride the wave. This isn't baseball when they can ride a pitcher or two.

I do not think if the Cowboys had any of those elite QB's this season, it would have been much different.

Facts are stubborn. Obviously Brees, Rodgers, Brady... ALL of them cant win a SB EVERY SEASON... but one of them do. I put up the numbers... it is RARE that the team winning the SB didnt have a HOF type QB or a top of the line DEFENSE. Whoever wins the SB this year will have the best qb in football, or the best defsne in football.... AGAIN. Teams with a HOF qb win a SB about 65% of the time, teams with an awesome defense win about 25% of the time.... and then you have the foles and eli manning outliers about 10% of the time.

That is the FACT for the SB winners since 2000. Losing teams in those SB normally had a QB that kicked arse for that year, ala Cam Newton who was the MVP of the league the year they went and lost a SB.

Deny it all you want, but facts is facts.

G2 · Jan 23, 2020

Reid1boys said:
Facts are stubborn. Obviously Brees, Rodgers, Brady... ALL of them cant win a SB EVERY SEASON... but one of them do. I put up the numbers... it is RARE that the team winning the SB didnt have a HOF type QB or a top of the line DEFENSE. Whoever wins the SB this year will have the best qb in football, or the best defsne in football.... AGAIN. Teams with a HOF qb win a SB about 65% of the time, teams with an awesome defense win about 25% of the time.... and then you have the foles and eli manning outliers about 10% of the time.

That is the FACT for the SB winners since 2000. Losing teams in those SB normally had a QB that kicked arse for that year, ala Cam Newton who was the MVP of the league the year they went and lost a SB.

Deny it all you want, but facts is facts.

What HOF QB is in the Super Bowl this season?

Reid1boys · Jan 23, 2020

Streetwise said:
What HOF QB is in the Super Bowl this season?

well seeing how a guy that has only been starting in the league for 2 years... his 2 seasons that he has started are HOF seasons. Give him some years..... guess what... Brees, Brady, Rodgers... none of them are in the HOF either.

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