Will McClay quote on Byron Jones

charron · Jan 23, 2020

CowboysWillRise said:
On Byron Jones-

"He's a starting caliber NFL corner. He's a really good player. We have to figure out his financial value, and if it fits for us."

Heard that on BTB podcast this morning.

My translation: we aren't paying Jones what the market demands. Say goodbye to Byron. If I go by this quote the temperature on offering Jones a market value contract seems pretty frigid. Up until I watched all of our other CBs flounder this season I was fine with letting him walk. Obviously I have reservations now. That said if I am blaming scheme and technique on the majority of what we saw this past season then hopefully we can get the full potential of Jordan Lewis, Cheeto and Brown under our new staff. I think we will be ok regardless, and if I had to choose I think my preference is to put that money on the Dline anyways. Mods if this has already been covered please delete.

We knew it was unlikely they sign him.

Stephen and Jerry talk about how they will sign Cooper and Dak. But not with Byron it's always maybe or we'll see.

CouchCoach · Jan 23, 2020

Do we think these guys are as vague as they come off? Every player that they're interested in keeping, conversations with agents have already taken place for each to gauge the other's leaning. The team already knows the ball park Cooper, Jones and the others are in because every agent has to get his card in the hat so they can look at the cap big picture.

If you read between the lines on what McClay is saying, retaining Jones is doubtful and he delivered that publicly as a heads up to Jones and his agent and the fans. Before they could even consider anything, they had to take a read on where Jones sees his value. I would wager that they've also explored how tagging him would sit with him.

CouchCoach · Jan 23, 2020

aikemirv said:
What a collossal blunder that will be by Jerry if we don't sign Amari- and I am talking about the trade itself (Loss of first round pick) and the ongoing results of that trade (overvaluing Dak and no player for 3 more years that we could have had with that pick)

I don't really think we should pay Amari top 5 money either as a decision in itself. Are you compounding the error or mitigating it?

The 1st is gone just like Charleton so I don't see that as an issue, they saved the season and won the East. Would a 3-5 team drowning throw out a 1st round lifeline to salvage the season?

Now it is about having a top 10 paid WR when he fails to deliver that consisitently. It's not the money to me, it's the player. He values himself a lot higher than I do.

However, Booger is a follow the ball GM and he hears his own name every time he hears the crowd go "Coooooooooooop". He has marquis value. Jones doesn't.

Jake · Jan 23, 2020

We're going to spend the bulk of our cap on offense then wonder why the defense still isn't good enough, again.

CWR · Jan 23, 2020

charron said:
We knew it was unlikely they sign him.

Stephen and Jerry talk about how they will sign Cooper and Dak. But not with Byron it's always maybe or we'll see.

Agreed. I also never thought we'd re-sign LCollins either, but we never got into a bargain war with him. Jones will likely hit the market and be immediately priced out of our range.

johneric8 · Jan 23, 2020

I'm surprised no one has entertained the thought that Byron may indeed want to stay a cowboy and take a team friendly deal? It's not always about money for some people and Byron strikes me as the kind of person that may rather stay put.

CouchCoach · Jan 23, 2020

Jake said:
We're going to spend the bulk of our cap on offense then wonder why the defense still isn't good enough, again.

Already are, just going to double down on that with the QB and WR1.

That's the problem with having a follow the ball GM and focused on the entertainment aspect first. That saying "offense puts butts in the seat and defense puts trophies on the mantle" is fine with him. When are the only two times the team was actively after a D? By coincidence, when two other people were in charge of the position selection.

CouchCoach · Jan 23, 2020

johneric8 said:
I'm surprised no one has entertained the thought that Byron may indeed want to stay a cowboy and take a team friendly deal? It's not always about money for some people and Byron strikes me as the kind of person that may rather stay put.

Or he may prefer to go to a team that's not all about the offense and the stars. He's not had a choice up until now. First they put him in the wrong position, out of necessity, and he has to hear people calling him a bust.

If I am him, I am looking for a team with a better DL to make my job easier. He's had every OC, with any experience, game plan against him, they know what he can and can't do.

Kaiser · Jan 23, 2020

johneric8 said:
I'm surprised no one has entertained the thought that Byron may indeed want to stay a cowboy and take a team friendly deal? It's not always about money for some people and Byron strikes me as the kind of person that may rather stay put.

I think both sides are playing it right - Jones is going to test FA to see if anyone overpays and Dallas is signalling they aren't going to overpay. Some team might make a crazy offer just because good CBs are so hard to find but I think when the dust settles Dallas with match offers Jones gets from other teams and he will get something around 10 - 12 MM per season that puts him 5th to 10th in CB Salaries.

aria · Jan 23, 2020

I think it would be a big mistake to let Byron walk and there would be a lot of regrets as the season went on. It blows my mind Jerry crapped himself and caved to pay a RB as much as he did and now we’re going to miss out on signing a player and position that is much harder to come by than a RB.

johneric8 · Jan 23, 2020

Kaiser said:
I think both sides are playing it right - Jones is going to test FA to see if anyone overpays and Dallas is signalling they aren't going to overpay. Some team might make a crazy offer just because good CBs are so hard to find but I think when the dust settles Dallas with match offers Jones gets from other teams and he will get something around 10 - 12 MM per season that puts him 5th to 10th in CB Salaries.

I think we would miss Byron Jones and his skills as a cover corner. Sure he can't buy an interception, but the dude is a class act and great player. I personally would hate to lose a guy that can lock down one side of the field so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I'm sure you're right though, someone will pay him, he is the kind of guy any team would want in my opinion.

Kaiser · Jan 23, 2020

johneric8 said:
I think we would miss Byron Jones and his skills as a cover corner. Sure he can't buy an interception, but the dude is a class act and great player. I personally would hate to lose a guy that can lock down one side of the field so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I'm sure you're right though, someone will pay him, he is the kind of guy any team would want in my opinion.

Totally agree. Its easy to say "don't pay that bum" but the last time we absolutely had to go out and get a CB its was Brandon Carr and that was absolutely an overpayment.

CouchCoach · Jan 23, 2020

johneric8 said:
I think we would miss Byron Jones and his skills as a cover corner. Sure he can't buy an interception, but the dude is a class act and great player. I personally would hate to lose a guy that can lock down one side of the field so I'm keeping my fingers crossed. I'm sure you're right though, someone will pay him, he is the kind of guy any team would want in my opinion.

Yep, he's played where they've asked him and never complained.

And there's one play that has always needled me a little bit because of what he said after the game. In that playoff game against GB when he was in no man's land, immediately after the game he said that was where the coaches told him to be and I doubted that. However, if you get the chance to watch that play again, watch his reaction to the sideline right after that play. I believe him, he was told to be exactly where he was and they hung him out. He didn't say much after that and played the good soldier but he was right.

Redball Express · Jan 23, 2020

Whirlwin said:
It started with Claiborne. You definitely pay Byron. You can’t replace him

I think the new DC has to make some of this decision.

Do they have a viable replacement?

Are they going to draft or sign in FA to replace Jones?

What defenses can be played with the expected personnel to cover and weak positions?

Is playing more zone better, is blitzing part of the answer?

So many questions and we are just starting..

johneric8 · Jan 23, 2020

CouchCoach said:
Or he may prefer to go to a team that's not all about the offense and the stars. He's not had a choice up until now. First they put him in the wrong position, out of necessity, and he has to hear people calling him a bust.

If I am him, I am looking for a team with a better DL to make my job easier. He's had every OC, with any experience, game plan against him, they know what he can and can't do.

Yes you're making valid points but it's not always just about the past and him being out of position but more about how he feels about Dallas as his home. Sometimes people don't want to leave where they're appreciated.

OmerV · Jan 23, 2020

DCBoysfan said:
Byron Jones is a very good player, but with that being said, Jalen Ramsey will set the market, do you pay Jones that kind of money, my answer is no, so what market do you pay him is the question.

Jaylon Ramsey will set the top of the market, but Byron won't be viewed at the same level. It should boost his price some though.

NorthwestDallas40 · Jan 23, 2020

Dallas morning news article today says a "bidding war" on Jones is likely and Cowboys unlikely to engage. Says he'll likely command between $13-15 million/year. I like the player, but we cannot afford $13-15 million for a CB that does not intercept passes.

Here's McClay's full quote: "He’s a starting-caliber NFL corner... A really good player. We have to figure out his financial value and if it fits for us..."

McClay later called the prospect of signing Prescott, Cooper and Jones to new deals in the same offseason a "tough deal."

"It’s the NFL," McClay added. "You’ve got your quarterback you’ve got to pay. You have a receiver. You have good players. When you have good players, you have to figure out how to pay them or how to survive. So, that’s what we do in the front office is try to figure how to work those contracts and get the best possible team with those guys. We’ve got to go through that whole process."‬

AmishCowboy · Jan 23, 2020

I think I would be OK with giving Bryon $14 million a year, if not then resign Brown and draft someone like A.J. Terrell in the 2nd

kskboys · Jan 23, 2020

CowboysWillRise said:
On Byron Jones-

"He's a starting caliber NFL corner. He's a really good player. We have to figure out his financial value, and if it fits for us."

Heard that on BTB podcast this morning.

My translation: we aren't paying Jones what the market demands. Say goodbye to Byron. If I go by this quote the temperature on offering Jones a market value contract seems pretty frigid. Up until I watched all of our other CBs flounder this season I was fine with letting him walk. Obviously I have reservations now. That said if I am blaming scheme and technique on the majority of what we saw this past season then hopefully we can get the full potential of Jordan Lewis, Cheeto and Brown under our new staff. I think we will be ok regardless, and if I had to choose I think my preference is to put that money on the Dline anyways. Mods if this has already been covered please delete.

Problem is, looking at the long game, overpaying Byron will hurt us. If we don't have guys who can play, get some.

kskboys · Jan 23, 2020

AmishCowboy said:
I think I would be OK with giving Bryon $14 million a year, if not then resign Brown and draft someone like A.J. Terrell in the 2nd

What do you have against Michael Gallup and Tony Pollard?

Will McClay quote on Byron Jones

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