Who is the best option at QB?

Yes this offseason is already starting with a bang . Stupid thread after stupid thread when you already know the answer

better question is who they are going to draft in the defensive side of the ball to fix that side which has been an issue for several years

charron said:

Whats the cost for each?

That is a huge factor. Money matters. If you can get one of these guys at less than 10 a year you have a chance to build around them while not solely depending on them.

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Im sure you can get Rush, Marriota at 10m per year.
I wouldnt pay 10m per year for Winston either.

Brees isnt going anywhere. Rivers is fried. Most likely Brady isnt going anywhere and if so its a 1 year thing assuming he isnt fried also.

To save 10-15M for 1 season and have to go find a franchise QB all over again is a no.
To many misses at this level do hope some draft prospect works out who you picked up in the 1st after all the blue chippers are taken.

superonyx said:

Im sure you can get Rush, Marriota at 10m per year.
I wouldnt pay 10m per year for Winston either.

Brees isnt going anywhere. Rivers is fried. Most likely Brady isnt going anywhere and if so its a 1 year thing assuming he isnt fried also.

To save 10-15M for 1 season and have to go find a franchise QB all over again is a no.
To many misses at this level do hope some draft prospect works out who you picked up in the 1st after all the blue chippers are taken.

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Even the blue chips aren’t guaranteed. Not in the first year. Or ever.

How cheap do you want your QB?

Landry Jones
Clayton Thorson
Cornelius Taylor
The backup in S.F.
The backup in G.B.


In this years draft.

Shane Buechele f/SMU
Steven Montez f/Colorado
Brian Lewerke f/ Michigan St.
Jamie Newman f/Wake

Redball Express said:

Dak Prescott

Drew Bress

Tom Brady

Jamois Winston

Philip Rivers

Marcus Mariota

Ryan Tannahill

Teddy Bridewater

Case Keenam

Cooper Rush

Or add a name you think is possible.

Interested who is in your thoughts at this point.

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I am intrigued with TB, but Dak is who we will get. All that's really happening is ironing out the key components of the contract: signing bonus, length of contract, guaranteed money, and exclusions vs. franchise.

Dak.

if we didn't have Dak...Tom Brady.
but we do.

Dak.

johneric8 said:

You're going to have to invest a premium in a top QB no matter how you slice it and Dak has shown he could possibly be close to an elite QB all the while being coached by a guy in Garrett whom shouldn't even sniff an NFL coaching position. Sure Mahomes is awesome, but he is coached by Reid whom is an awesome coach who is a genius offensively.

I'm not posting my thoughts for the sake of argument, I'm basically saying how I truly feet about Dak and the dysfunction that he has worked under.
How can anyone suggest they know based off of what they've seen of prescott under Garrett's coaching guidance?

If the Cowboys want a top QB they will have to pay for it. The argument that seems to be rampant around here is that Dak isn't worth the money even though guys without his intangibles have gotten paid top dollar. Look at Cousins, Matt Ryan, ETC, You have to pay someone who has shown great ability. The cap is going up I believe so this should factor in as well..

If we don't pay Dak, someone else will be more than happy to do it, so I say it's a smart move to pay him now while you can because the alternatives out there are no more guaranteed.

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It's a conundrum.

When I think about it Cousins and Ryan come to mind.

Both Atlanta and Washington are at the bottom when the days ahead could be sobering.

The Ravens and KC will be grappling with building and maintaining teams around their QBs in 2021 and 2022.

So who, why and what else applies, not just the QB and his contract.

If as so many observe, Andy Reid is KCs edge and not Mahomes..

then is the 49ers HC their edge or is it Garopalo?

It's like trying to figure out which cup hides the pea in the old shell game.

It changes every spin.

Redball Express said:

Normally I would take some comfort in your remarks.

But when I think about Dak, more often I picture late throws to WRs..

dropped passes of poorly located passes..

passes thrown in the ground..

3 and outs..

long audibles at the LOS that never result in big plays, just a Zeke handoff that gets stuffed.

So I do not agree. Yes, Dak has his moments. But unlike in 2016..they are farther and father apart.

And one think we all seem to block out watching these games..

the more somebody plays, the more the opposition sees them and figured out how to stop them..

how to get them off their comfort spot.

I think part of Dak's problems is there.

Defenses have got a good book on Dak.

Now the question is..

can Dak immediately adjust and use McCarthy and the WCO to beat teams?

And do we commit the money to him and the rest of the roster to this?

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Nice response, but let me challenge you to look at stats and watch other top Qb's and you will them missing the mark as well and having bad games.
It seems like dropped passes end up getting blamed on Dak as well around here. Realistically though, the off target passes from Dak aren't much different
from others according to my research. I think the issue with Dak is that his issues are more glaring when our team and coaches poop the bed as often as they do.

I think there is a growing sentiment around here that Dak has reached his ceiling, or he can't improve on his accuracy, but I think this is not based on factual evidence but more based on fear of the unknown. Dak is incredibly durable and coachable, he showed major growth this season that he can build upon. Just look at Grappolo in NFC championship game, this is telling evidence that you don't need an elite QB to win, of course it helps but not necessary. Of course an elite guy gives you an advantage but I would argue that Dak has shown many times that he has greatness in him.

The main bone of contention here is what is Dak worth? What can be afford to pay him? I say he is worth more than some around here surmise.

sean10mm said:

1. Dak Prescott - Most likely option, realistically.
2. Drew Bress - Why in the world would he leave NOLA? He's on a stacked offense in place he's idolized, with a better coach and no Jerry. Not gonna happen.
3. Tom Brady - Theoretically possible! His age is in completely uncharted waters for an NFL QB, but a lot of his issues in 2019 were supporting talent based. I suspect Jerry scares him off though.
4. Jameis Winston - Moron, criminal, interception machine, suspension magnet. Hell no.
5. Philip Rivers - By the criteria Cowboys fans use on Dak, Rivers has never done anything but put up empty stats and choke, either.
6. Marcus Mariota - Lost his job to Ryan Tannehill. Might be a cheap project who needed a change of scenery, but he's objectively worse than Dak and much more fragile.
7. Ryan Tannehill - Has no reason to leave the Titans. He's a good player on a team that probably wants to keep him.
8. Teddy Bridgewater - A career dink-dunk mediocrity with a terrifying injury history who keeps getting pumped up around here for some reason. He basically has every fault that Dak haters lose their minds over, only even more.
9. Case Keenum - Career backup scrub who had one nice run on the Vikings in a sea of absolutely nothing. Just went 1-7 in 2019.
10. Cooper Rush - Get out.

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Opinion noted.

So what you are saying is..

Dak or bust?

So are you saying sign him longterm or tag for one year and wait?

johneric8 said:

Nice response, but let me challenge you to look at stats and watch other top Qb's and you will them missing the mark as well and having bad games.
It seems like dropped passes end up getting blamed on Dak as well around here. Realistically though, the off target passes from Dak aren't much different
from others according to my research. I think the issue with Dak is that his issues are more glaring when our team and coaches poop the bed as often as they do.

I think there is a growing sentiment around here that Dak has reached his ceiling, or he can't improve on his accuracy, but I think this is not based on factual evidence but more based on fear of the unknown. Dak is incredibly durable and coachable, he showed major growth this season that he can build upon. Just look at Grappolo in NFC championship game, this is telling evidence that you don't need an elite QB to win, of course it helps but not necessary. Of course an elite guy gives you an advantage but I would argue that Dak has shown many times that he has greatness in him.

The main bone of contention here is what is Dak worth? What can be afford to pay him? I say he is worth more than some around here surmise.

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My main hope is that McCarthy is the one that weighs this all and really makes the decision in the end.

How?

Install the new offense, see if Dak rolls or he bogs down.

If it costs $30+mil in 2020 to figure it out..

then so be it.

If it fails and we go 6-11..

we have time to take a breathe..

knowing what to do.

If he suddenly blossoms, you take the going rate and sign him.

At least then you are in the race and minimizing your risk as much as possible.

Pantone282C said:

I am intrigued with TB, but Dak is who we will get. All that's really happening is ironing out the key components of the contract: signing bonus, length of contract, guaranteed money, and exclusions vs. franchise.

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That's it?

That's all we lack?

When you put it that simply..

I can now sleep thru the Pro Bowl this weekend.

What a relief.

Redball Express said:

That's it?

That's all we lack?

When you put it that simply..

I can now sleep thru the Pro Bowl this weekend.

What a relief.

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Where do I send the bill?

charron said:

No ones knows untill they sign a contract. Dak at 2 million is better than rivers at 20. But i'd take Rivers at 8 vs Dak at 30. Tennessee was brilliant getting tannehill for 2million, but is he worth 15-20, I don't know but i know hes not worth 35+

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I don't think you are going to get Rivers to start for less than twice what you are quoting. That is still half what Dak is going to get. Is Dak twice as good as Rivers? Is Dak better than Rivers and a $15m DT or S? In that context I agree with you.

OTOH, in the longer view 5 years from now, River is going to be retired and $35m for Dak won't look so bad. Back in 2015, Newton and Flacco frontlined the QB signing at a bit over $20m. $45m is a proportional estimate for 2025 at the going inflation rate.

Dak will still be in at his QB prime at 31 in 5 years. I don't know that Rivers has any 5000 yard 35 TD seasons left in him and hes always thrown a heck of a lot more picks than Dak. Those numbers are just marginal improvement over what Dak just did at age 26.

And the biggest risk by going with Rivers is your situation in a couple of years when he retires. Turning on the game and seeing Ryan Leaf and Anthony Wright under center is not fun.

superonyx said:

Im sure you can get Rush, Marriota at 10m per year.
I wouldnt pay 10m per year for Winston either.

Brees isnt going anywhere. Rivers is fried. Most likely Brady isnt going anywhere and if so its a 1 year thing assuming he isnt fried also.

To save 10-15M for 1 season and have to go find a franchise QB all over again is a no.
To many misses at this level do hope some draft prospect works out who you picked up in the 1st after all the blue chippers are taken.

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QB is a position that should be drafted almost every year. If rush wasn't good enough to start then draft another guy. Even a late rounder can develop if he has the work ethic. Tennessee doesn't need a 30 million dollar guy just a n average guy because how they were built. They'll find another guy and still do well.

FuzzyLumpkins said:

I don't think you are going to get Rivers to start for less than twice what you are quoting. That is still half what Dak is going to get. Is Dak twice as good as Rivers? Is Dak better than Rivers and a $15m DT or S? In that context I agree with you.

OTOH, in the longer view 5 years from now, River is going to be retired and $35m for Dak won't look so bad. Back in 2015, Newton and Flacco frontlined the QB signing at a bit over $20m. $45m is a proportional estimate for 2025 at the going inflation rate.

Dak will still be in at his QB prime at 31 in 5 years. I don't know that Rivers has any 5000 yard 35 TD seasons left in him and hes always thrown a heck of a lot more picks than Dak. Those numbers are just marginal improvement over what Dak just did at age 26.

And the biggest risk by going with Rivers is your situation in a couple of years when he retires. Turning on the game and seeing Ryan Leaf and Anthony Wright under center is not fun.

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Hypothetical example not numbers i think they will ask for. All of these guys will ask for more cause some team might be dumb enough to pay them. And I never said i'd go with rivers specifically, but i'd take him at less than 10 vs dak at 30 sure I couldadd more talent around a 10million dollar QB than i could a 30M guy. Thats just simple math.

johneric8 said:

You're going to have to invest a premium in a top QB no matter how you slice it and Dak has shown he could possibly be close to an elite QB all the while being coached by a guy in Garrett whom shouldn't even sniff an NFL coaching position. Sure Mahomes is awesome, but he is coached by Reid whom is an awesome coach who is a genius offensively.

I'm not posting my thoughts for the sake of argument, I'm basically saying how I truly feet about Dak and the dysfunction that he has worked under.
How can anyone suggest they know based off of what they've seen of prescott under Garrett's coaching guidance?

If the Cowboys want a top QB they will have to pay for it. The argument that seems to be rampant around here is that Dak isn't worth the money even though guys without his intangibles have gotten paid top dollar. Look at Cousins, Matt Ryan, ETC, You have to pay someone who has shown great ability. The cap is going up I believe so this should factor in as well..

If we don't pay Dak, someone else will be more than happy to do it, so I say it's a smart move to pay him now while you can because the alternatives out there are no more guaranteed.

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But what if they don't? What if they believe they are trying to invest in what they believe will be a very good QB but not a top echelon QB? Or what if they know that their cap situation will not allow for them to support a 40 mil contract and pay for all the pieces they know they will need? What if your evaluation of Dak and the teams evaluation of Dak do not match up?

Dak isn't worth the money and anybody who says he is is full of crap. None of them are worth that kind of money but who cares? You gotta make the cap work with what your long range plan for the team is. Again, I am not a believe in next man up contracts. I think you have to be stupid to go in for that kind of thing and I sure hope the Cowboys are not stupid.

Yes, the cap is supposed to go up but I don't know how much and I don't know for how long, do you? Besides, the cap going up does not fix the problem. Every single player and every single agent is negotiating on this basis. What does that mean? It means that all of them are going to demand more money so the increase in the Cap is really only an advantage for the players, not for the owners or the teams cap situation.

Cowboys have like 20+ FAs in 2020. All of those guys are going to need to be resigned or replacements brought in or players drafted. All of them are going to want more money because the Cap is expected to go up.

Redball Express said:

Dak Prescott

Drew Bress

Tom Brady

Jamois Winston

Philip Rivers

Marcus Mariota

Ryan Tannahill

Teddy Bridewater

Case Keenam

Cooper Rush

Or add a name you think is possible.

Interested who is in your thoughts at this point.

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Dak!!!!!

I want Dak signed long term, but if that can’t happen for whatever reason, I let him walk. There is no way I would ever slap the franchise tag on him.

That QB tag, with ever dollar owed immediately and counting against the cap, will hurt signing our FA’s and any others. It would definitely set our new coach back from having better personnel.

It’s also a dangerous road that seldom works with QBs and would either lead to an even more ridiculous contract or to his leaving in another year or two anyway.

WillieBeamen said:

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I can’t get any of the other members of your group to answer.

Were you one of them that has changed your argument from (paraphrasing) —he’s not the reason his winning record is so good. His low stats and inability to break 200 yards passing show he’s no good. He’ll never ever get close to 5000 yards passing and to suggest so is laughable etc etc etc...

To—his stats are all from garbage time and the only other reason is he has a great offensive line. The only other other reason is he has a great RB. And so on and so on... Is that you???

If so (and this goes to your girlfriends if it’s not you) do you ever feel embarrassed because your changing argument makes you look so wrong?

?????

(There are permanent records of stupid things some have said)

Its hard without knowing what your going to pay these QBs but lets assume Dak gets 33 mil. Thats just too much to pay for avg.
1. I truly believe you could go get keenum and tell him he will be back up and then make him the starter for 7 mil a year.
2. Winston sure makes a lot of mistakes but at least he goes for it instead of holding onto the ball too long. He doesnt get shut down against good teams either. He clearly throws the football better and with the Cowboys top 10 defense he would be an upgrade if you could just cut back on mistakes. I think Winston could be had for 25 mil.
3. Brees, Brady and Rivers are all about done and doubt they would want to come to Dallas.
4. Tannehill is better than Dak but he is gonna want the same money as Dak. Thats just too much for an avg QB.
5.Mariotta is not as good as Dak and is gonna want probably 18 mil I wouldnt want him.
6. Rush is garbage and wouldnt even be 3rd QB on most teams in the league.

I would consider calling the 49rs and make a trade for NIck Mullens.