Byron Jones or Amari Cooper?

75boyz · Jan 24, 2020

rnr_honeybadger said:
Neither. One is a corner that does not pick off balls and the other is a talented receiver who disappears on the road and is injury prone. Let them walk and get younger

This. For these exact reasons. Great post.

kskboys · Jan 24, 2020

rnr_honeybadger said:
Neither. One is a corner that does not pick off balls and the other is a talented receiver who disappears on the road and is injury prone. Let them walk and get younger

I couldn't have said this much better!!!

To expound, if we want to win some playoff games, we absolutely must get stronger in the trenches. IMO, we should save that dough and get some DL's who matter. I have no idea who's a FA this off, but there's always a quality big guy or two who can be had for around 5-8 mil. That's where the money should be spent. Because that's the first step in getting to the next level.

Patrick · Jan 24, 2020

I love how fans think we can just let Cooper go and immediately find an upgrade in the draft/FA.

But what the hell, let's go into the season with Gallup, a rookie, and a guy like Allen Hurns (LOL, remember when people thought he was going to be good?). That should be a recipe for success, plus, now teams won't have to worry about a receiver so they can stack the box against Zeke and you'll have something else to complain about.

I hate that Jerry Jones is GM, but reading these boards makes me realize it could be so much worse.

cowboygo · Jan 24, 2020

kskboys said:
I couldn't have said this much better!!!

To expound, if we want to win some playoff games, we absolutely must get stronger in the trenches. IMO, we should save that dough and get some DL's who matter. I have no idea who's a FA this off, but there's always a quality big guy or two who can be had for around 5-8 mil. That's where the money should be spent. Because that's the first step in getting to the next level.

Agree. Look at SF. They did well without a "STAR" receiver. Lets invest on the defensive side, and see Gallup step up to the plate. Draft a 2nd/3rd rd WR, the position is loaded this draft. Yes, we wasted a 1st rounder, but with that cap space we can go out and get a Clowney.

cowboygo · Jan 24, 2020

Patrick said:
I love how fans think we can just let Cooper go and immediately find an upgrade in the draft/FA.

But what the hell, let's go into the season with Gallup, a rookie, and a guy like Allen Hurns (LOL, remember when people thought he was going to be good?). That should be a recipe for success, plus, now teams won't have to worry about a receiver so they can stack the box against Zeke and you'll have something else to complain about.

I hate that Jerry Jones is GM, but reading these boards makes me realize it could be so much worse.

How did SF manage on offense without an Amari Cooper?

Patrick · Jan 24, 2020

cowboygo said:
How did SF manage on offense without an Amari Cooper?

Firstly, George Kittle is arguably the best receiving tight end in football.

Secondly, SF is better in every other position compared to the Cowboys, especially coaching. Except RB and maybe O-Line.

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · Jan 24, 2020

If we would have signed Preston Smith instead of DLaw a year ago. This would not even be a question. We could have easily kept both Cooper and Jones. I wanted Preston Smith to be a gap filler for Maxx Crosby. If we would have signed Smith then drafted Crosby we'd be way better off right now.

And just like last years draft was loaded with DE talent this years draft is loaded with WR talent. We made a mistake re-signing DLaw in front of a draft loaded with DE talent. And we're about to make that same mistake with signing Cooper in front of a draft loaded with WR talent. As long as you have a gap filler in place take a WR in the draft and let Cooper walk.

So my decision of P.Smith over D.Law. because of that years draft class. Mirrors my decision of Jones over Cooper because of this years draft class.

Hard decisions are easy to make if you let the draft make them for you.

cowboygo · Jan 24, 2020

Patrick said:
Firstly, George Kittle is arguably the best receiving tight end in football.

Secondly, SF is better in every other position compared to the Cowboys, especially coaching. Except RB and maybe O-Line.

Lets go get a stud TE, they aren't as expensive as elite WRs and work. Its awesome to have a Hopkins, Julio, Michael Thomas, Mike Evans.. Amari Cooper is going to ball out regardless of which team he plays on. I do think we are pinned against the wall on this, I don't see a way we don't resign Amari. Hopefully something comes out of it within the next 3 years. Once the O-Line begins to deteriorate rapidly, we are going to have to look back to these huge contracts (Dak, Zeke, Cooper) and hopefully there is something to show for. Its clear the FO values the offensive side more.

mattjames2010 · Jan 24, 2020

Easier to replace a WR than it is to replace a top 20 CB.

Anyone saying they want Cooper doesn't understand football and would run a team worse than Jerry freakin' Jones.

Patrick · Jan 24, 2020

cowboygo said:
Lets go get a stud TE, they aren't as expensive as elite WRs and work. Its awesome to have a Hopkins, Julio, Michael Thomas, Mike Evans.. Amari Cooper is going to ball out regardless of which team he plays on. I do think we are pinned against the wall on this, I don't see a way we don't resign Amari. Hopefully something comes out of it within the next 3 years. Once the O-Line begins to deteriorate rapidly, we are going to have to look back to these huge contracts (Dak, Zeke, Cooper) and hopefully there is something to show for. Its clear the FO values the offensive side more.

I agree, the only reason we don't have a receiving TE is because of Garrett, he wanted his TEs to block first catch later, hopefully that changes now, but yes, Amari is here because they put too much into him, and he has shown chemistry with Dak. So we might as well just accept it.

Broges74 · Jan 24, 2020

It really depends on if Cooper is wanting top 5 WR money..if he wont come off that number, I'd go with Jones here.

mattjames2010 · Jan 24, 2020

Patrick said:
Firstly, George Kittle is arguably the best receiving tight end in football.

Secondly, SF is better in every other position compared to the Cowboys, especially coaching. Except RB and maybe O-Line.

George Kittle got a whopping 35 yards in the playoffs.....

And no TE in the league routinely racks up the yardage like an elite WR does. San Fran is in the Super Bowl because of their defense, which you folks are okay with depleting to keep a freakin' WR. The lack of football knowledge on this board hurts.

Future · Jan 24, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Cooper is the MVP of the team. If he doesn't play well we don't win games and our QB looks terrible.

Yea, his 3 for 38 against the Lions when they scored 35 points and 1 for 19 against the Rams when they scored 44 totally supports that.

Every QB struggles when their best WR goes down.

Future · Jan 24, 2020

Broges74 said:
It really depends on if Cooper is wanting top 5 WR money..if he wont come off that number, I'd go with Jones here.

What does this mean? I feel like people don't realize who the top-5 paid WRs are right now.

Brandin Cooks has the 5th-highest total value and guarantees. Of course Amari will be in the top-5.

gjkoeppen · Jan 24, 2020

Creeper said:
If we could sign only one, which should it be? A week ago, I would have said Cooper, hands down. Now, I am not so sure. I have seen a few interviews with Cooper lately and what I see is a guy who says he wants to stay, but he lacks passion. I think the lack of passion shows up on the field. He seems to play with little or no emotion. He is a good receiver, but is he a fit in Dallas? He plays with his head down, if you know what I mean. He is not Michael Irvin, TO, or Dez in this regard. He makes plays but it never looks like he is giving 100%. He disappeared down the stretch when they really needed him.

Looking at the averages of other WRs in the league, I would be shocked if Cooper does not want at least $16 million per year. In 2018, Mike Evans of the Bucs signed for 5 years and $82 million, or $16.5 million/year. Julio Jones and Michael Thomas average $22 million and $19.5 million respectively. I think it will take at least what Evans got if not more to sign Cooper.

CBs average a little less. The top CBs salary is about $15 million/year. I am guessing Jones will be offered at least 5 yrs, $75 million. The question is, would you rather have Cooper for $17-18 million a year or Jones for $15 miillion - or neither?

First off Cooper was playing through a couple on injuries the last 3 or 4 games of the year. So all of the catches he made just getting his toes inbounds wasn't giving it 100%? I remember a HOF'r who was once asked while playing he said little in the locker room or on the sidelines and this player said because he let his play speak for him. That player is Jim Brown. Now I'm not saying Cooper is automatically going to the HOF but just because he doesn't scream on the sidelines like Irvin did by no means equate that he doesn'y feel emotions. It just means that he keeps them inside. And because Cooper doesn't go nuts with all sorts of displays when he catches a 1st down catch or TD I'll remind you of another HOF'r who just tossed the ball to a ref and went on with things saying he did that because he was told to act like you've done that before and it's what is expected of you. Not all good players have to be you rah rah players to be good or be happy to be with a team.
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Aven8 · Jan 24, 2020

For two or three years we didn’t even know where to play Jones. He’s a solid corner but this team needs TO’s and he doesn’t do that.

starfan1 · Jan 24, 2020

mattjames2010 said:
George Kittle got a whopping 35 yards in the playoffs.....

And no TE in the league routinely racks up the yardage like an elite WR does. San Fran is in the Super Bowl because of their defense, which you folks are okay with depleting to keep a freakin' WR. The lack of football knowledge on this board hurts.

and their ability to run the ball

PJTHEDOORS · Jan 24, 2020

Creeper said:
If we could sign only one, which should it be? A week ago, I would have said Cooper, hands down. Now, I am not so sure. I have seen a few interviews with Cooper lately and what I see is a guy who says he wants to stay, but he lacks passion. I think the lack of passion shows up on the field. He seems to play with little or no emotion. He is a good receiver, but is he a fit in Dallas? He plays with his head down, if you know what I mean. He is not Michael Irvin, TO, or Dez in this regard. He makes plays but it never looks like he is giving 100%. He disappeared down the stretch when they really needed him.

Looking at the averages of other WRs in the league, I would be shocked if Cooper does not want at least $16 million per year. In 2018, Mike Evans of the Bucs signed for 5 years and $82 million, or $16.5 million/year. Julio Jones and Michael Thomas average $22 million and $19.5 million respectively. I think it will take at least what Evans got if not more to sign Cooper.

CBs average a little less. The top CBs salary is about $15 million/year. I am guessing Jones will be offered at least 5 yrs, $75 million. The question is, would you rather have Cooper for $17-18 million a year or Jones for $15 miillion - or neither?

Without Cooper we have what? Gallup who has the dropsies, and what else?

PJTHEDOORS · Jan 24, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Cooper is the MVP of the team. If he doesn't play well we don't win games and our QB looks terrible.

lol

Patrick · Jan 24, 2020

mattjames2010 said:
George Kittle got a whopping 35 yards in the playoffs.....

And no TE in the league routinely racks up the yardage like an elite WR does. San Fran is in the Super Bowl because of their defense, which you folks are okay with depleting to keep a freakin' WR. The lack of football knowledge on this board hurts.

Pot meet kettle...

No **** the defense got them there, but you need a good defense in order to deplete it, which Dallas does not have. So instead of signing Cooper we let him go and now have to pick a WR with our 1st or 2nd rounder instead of using it on a defender that we desperately need, other than TE the offense is set for a few years after Cooper & Dak are signed. Which means you can pile all of your other draft picks/salary cap into the defense.

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