Byron Jones or Amari Cooper?

Patrick

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Which, therein lies an issue..

What is the Dallas Defense without their best DB?

I don't believe it's anywhere near as "easy" as some folks make it out to be.

Similar situation with other positions, are either players worth what Dallas "has" to pay for retention? Doubtful. Could they replace production with the money saved, by not retaining said player?

Good to great DBs don't grow on trees, and I believe the Defense would miss BJ far more than the offense would Cooper.

And, truthfully, I don't think it's even close.

Unfortunately it doesn't matter which one leaves it's going to leave a big hole, the secondary without Byron might be the worst in the league on paper, and we have already seen what happens to the offense without a #1 receiver.

I'm more worried about building an elite defensive line more than anything.
 

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I think the FO is basically saying they are going to pay Dak and Coop. I would be very happy if they use the rest of FA resources and the draft to build the DL and secondary. IMO we can’t compete with playoff teams if we are lacking in these 2 areas.
 

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Funny how you say our D is good and then go onto say the entire secondary besides Jones is trash. It's true, but if the difference between a good D and a bad D is Byron Jones, you don't have a good D.

Did you miss the season the starting WR's were Hurns, Gallup, & Beasley?

I didn’t call the entire secondary trash, I said our safeties are scrubs and you would be relying on a rookie DB as well. Don’t add to what I am saying. Lewis has some ball skills, Awuzie is OK at times, but needs to improve, Brown sucks and our safeties are JAGs. Jones makes the secondary better.

Did you see the season with Cooper where we went 8-8 and how our offense consistently started off slow and couldn’t beat good defenses?
 

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Unfortunately it doesn't matter which one leaves it's going to leave a big hole, the secondary without Byron might be the worst in the league on paper, and we have already seen what happens to the offense without a #1 receiver.

I'm more worried about building an elite defensive line more than anything.

Thank. You.

It's been said for years, with or without the talent we have in the secondary, that the DLine should be top priority. Better DLine makes the DBs jobs easier.
 

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I didn’t call the entire secondary trash, I said our safeties are scrubs and you would be relying on a rookie DB as well. Don’t add to what I am saying. Lewis has some ball skills, Awuzie is OK at times, but needs to improve, Brown sucks and our safeties are JAGs. Jones makes the secondary better.

Did you see the season with Cooper where we went 8-8 and how our offense consistently started off slow and couldn’t beat good defenses?

Is that the same season with Byron where they went 8-8 and our defense was tied for last in the league in interceptions?

It doesn't matter which one leaves, it's going to leave a massive hole in the lineup.
 

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Is that the same season with Byron where they went 8-8 and our defense was tied for last in the league in interceptions?

It doesn't matter which one leaves, it's going to leave a massive hole in the lineup.

LOL I love how you're pretending I am the one who brought up team success. I never suggested Jones completely changed the outcome of a season, you are suggesting Cooper turned us around. With Cooper we've had a 10-6 and an 8-8 season. Without Cooper, while having Dak, we've had a 13-3 and a 9-7 season. Oh, and Jones was on those teams....

The WR position is easier to fill than the DB position. This can't be argued, and elite WRs don't win Super Bowls anyways.
 

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Cooper's demeanor has been the same through his whole career. It's just the type of personality trait he has. I compare it to kawhi Leonard in some ways. I'm sure other can think of examples as well. It's always this stone cold face and expression 24/7. Doesn't mean he doesn't care. Just means he doesn't show it in the same ways. No one was complaining last year when he sky rocketed the offense and put up 100 yard games and multiple TDs against Philly and Washington. Yet, he still had the same demeanor during the post game interviews. Everyone remember that photo with Dak after the Thanksgiving game? Dak is all smiles and Cooper is looking deadpan into the camera. It's just who he is. No biggie to me.

its a ‘biggie’ when he disappears in crunch time
 

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LOL I love how you're pretending I am the one who brought up team success. I never suggested Jones completely changed the outcome of a season, you are suggesting Cooper turned us around. With Cooper we've had a 10-6 and an 8-8 season. Without Cooper, while having Dak, we've had a 13-3 and a 9-7 season. Oh, and Jones was on those teams....

The WR position is easier to fill than the DB position. This can't be argued, and elite WRs don't win Super Bowls anyways.

This is true even though agreeing with you pains me ,and this draft is deep at that position. In saying that it dont necessarily mean keeping jones over cooper is right or keeping cooper over jones is right. Theres no debating that cooper gave the team a huge spark in 2018 in 2019 he disappeared on the road. Meanwhile jones while being a good corner doesn't create turnovers and just because hes the best one we got doesn't mean that hes worth the large investment.

I don't care what they do as i will support anything they do but a case can be made for neither one. Especially if they make a splash in FA on that side of the ball
 

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I would suggest (gasp) NEITHER

as long as we use the money to do this:

1. sign best 1t DT in FA
2. Sign best 3T DT in FA
3. Sign best TE available in FA
4. Sign best safety available in FA
5. draft BPA
6. Draft or sign a real PR/KR
7. Sign a vet back up QB
 

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LOL I love how you're pretending I am the one who brought up team success. I never suggested Jones completely changed the outcome of a season, you are suggesting Cooper turned us around. With Cooper we've had a 10-6 and an 8-8 season. Without Cooper, while having Dak, we've had a 13-3 and a 9-7 season. Oh, and Jones was on those teams....

The WR position is easier to fill than the DB position. This can't be argued, and elite WRs don't win Super Bowls anyways.

Jones was a safety during those years, we had very average corners those two seasons.

Also, at no point did I say I wanted Cooper over Byron, I said it was funny people think they can easily replace Cooper no problem. Yes, WR is easier to replace, but it isn't a guarantee.

I really don't care which one they sign, either way you have to go find a replacement for the guy you let walk, and still improve the D-Line/Safety.
 

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Didn't get all the way through title, let alone open this thread to respond, I had my answer.

Cooper.
 

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Neither. One is a corner that does not pick off balls and the other is a talented receiver who disappears on the road and is injury prone. Let them walk and get younger
This dissappears on the road is an odd concept for me. I just cannot fathom what in a WR's mindset would cause him to dissapear....

Maybe it is a QB issue!
 

mattjames2010

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Jones was a safety during those years, we had very average corners those two seasons.

Also, at no point did I say I wanted Cooper over Byron, I said it was funny people think they can easily replace Cooper no problem. Yes, WR is easier to replace, but it isn't a guarantee.

I really don't care which one they sign, either way you have to go find a replacement for the guy you let walk, and still improve the D-Line/Safety.

Jones was a top 10 corner in 2018 and top 20 in 2019.

It CAN be easily replaced lol WR is a revolving door in this league and teams consistently win a lot of games and Super Bowls without a top 10-15 WR.

Quick, give me a run down of teams that had no good secondary players when they won a Super Bowl the past 10 seasons. Anyone wanting Cooper over Jones don’t understand football. There is nothing else to discuss here.

Let Cooper walk, sign Jones, get a DT and safety. That’s how you win Super Bowls. Not with inconsistent “elite WRs”
 

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LOL I really hope this place gets what it wants. I really do. Gosh, I love watching the lowest common denominator fans get what they want and then cry about it for years once a unit goes to crap. This is hilarious.

This team deserves all the failure it gets. It fits right along the mindset of the fan base. HURR DURR COOP PLAYMAKER MAKE BIG PLAYS HURR
Calm down nerd. Imagine saying “hurr durr”. Yikes. You take this stuff WAY too seriously.
 

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If we could sign only one, which should it be? A week ago, I would have said Cooper, hands down. Now, I am not so sure.
I think your post title should have been, Byron Jones or Anthony Quinn being it's a gimmie Coop is staying.

That said, I truly think Dallas will obtain Quinn because elite edge rushers are always going to be more valuable than elite corners. Byron unfortunately, will be gone.
 
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