The Elite QB Farce

Diehardblues · Jan 24, 2020

keysersoze said:
That’s bs and you know it. Marino barely even gets spoken of anymore. Same with Jim Kelley and Dan Fouts. They are almost forgotten because all they had was stats. No jewelry.

Only fans who didn’t watch them play would say such things. They were no doubt some of the best of their era.

Diehardblues · Jan 24, 2020

keysersoze said:
Right.... But Super Bowl Champions are remembered much longer. Am I right or wrong?

Sure to casual type fans who didn’t watch the era unfold.

Reid1boys · Jan 24, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Only fans who didn’t watch them play would say such things. They were no doubt some of the best of their era.

Exactly... those guys were truly great.Because the young 20 somethings dont speak of them just means they havent a clue about older players. Doesnt diminish how good they were.

keysersoze · Jan 24, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Sure to casual type fans who didn’t watch the era unfold.

Diehardblues said:
Only fans who didn’t watch them play would say such things. They were no doubt some of the best of their era.

As a fan. Who would you most celebrate? Danny White and Tony Romo? Or Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman?

keysersoze · Jan 24, 2020

Reid1boys said:
Exactly... those guys were truly great.Because the young 20 somethings dont speak of them just means they havent a clue about older players. Doesnt diminish how good they were.

Nahhhh .... It’s because real fans of a team want to win. Who cares about anything else? I’m not a 20 something. I am not a millennial. But I celebrate those who help win Championships over those ergo have gaudy personal stats.

Diehardblues · Jan 24, 2020

keysersoze said:
As a fan. Who would you most celebrate? Danny White and Tony Romo? Or Roger Staubach and Troy Aikman?

They aren’t of the same era. Not a good comparison to the argument.

Here’s a better comparison to the argument.

Who would you rather have? Dan Marino or Phil Simms

Reid1boys · Jan 24, 2020

keysersoze said:
Nahhhh .... It’s because real fans of a team want to win. Who cares about anything else? I’m not a 20 something. I am not a millennial. But I celebrate those who help win Championships over those ergo have gaudy personal stats.

So you telling me you would rather have Eli Manning behind Center than Dan Marino? Jim Kelly? Fran Tarkenton?

Diehardblues · Jan 24, 2020

keysersoze said:
Nahhhh .... It’s because real fans of a team want to win. Who cares about anything else? I’m not a 20 something. I am not a millennial. But I celebrate those who help win Championships over those ergo have gaudy personal stats.

Real fans celebrate greatness whether it’s individual or cumulatively.

keysersoze · Jan 24, 2020

Reid1boys said:
So you telling me you would rather have Eli Manning behind Center than Dan Marino? Jim Kelly? Fran Tarkenton?

I’d rather have the Giants team who won a super bowl. So now we are mixing quarterbacks and different teams? I don’t single out positions because that won’t guarantee a championship. No quarterback has ever won a super bowl on his arm. It’s always a team effort. So whichever quarterback has a ring was the best man for the team’s success. I don’t care about individual accolades if championships aren’t the end result. I play to win. Not to compete. And that’s with everything I do.

keysersoze · Jan 24, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Real fans celebrate greatness whether it’s individual or cumulatively.

That’s what losers do. Really.....

Diehardblues · Jan 24, 2020

keysersoze said:
That’s what losers do. Really.....

All Pro and especially HOF recognition does exactly that. It recognizes individual talent and achievement that playing on lesser teams doesn’t always provide.

Surely you aren’t calling all of those players losers who didn’t have the opportunity to be on championship teams but were still very talented ?

keysersoze · Jan 24, 2020

Diehardblues said:
All Pro and especially HOF recognition does exactly that. It recognizes individual talent and achievement that playing on lesser teams doesn’t always provide.

Surely you aren’t calling all of those players losers who didn’t have the opportunity to be on championship teams but were still very talented ?

If you don’t win championships you are a loser. Simple as that. No matter what your personal stats say. If you don’t win. You lost. There’s no grey area.
Ask any one of those guys without a ring what they want most and I guarantee that they will say a championship over the stats.

Diehardblues · Jan 24, 2020

keysersoze said:
If you don’t win championships you are a loser. Simple as that. No matter what your personal stats say. If you don’t win. You lost. There’s no grey area.
Ask any one of those guys without a ring what they want most and I guarantee that they will say a championship over the stats.

Right . Lol

Reid1boys · Jan 24, 2020

keysersoze said:
I’d rather have the Giants team who won a super bowl. So now we are mixing quarterbacks and different teams? I don’t single out positions because that won’t guarantee a championship. No quarterback has ever won a super bowl on his arm. It’s always a team effort. So whichever quarterback has a ring was the best man for the team’s success. I don’t care about individual accolades if championships aren’t the end result. I play to win. Not to compete. And that’s with everything I do.

Reid1boys · Jan 24, 2020

keysersoze said:
I’d rather have the Giants team who won a super bowl. So now we are mixing quarterbacks and different teams? I don’t single out positions because that won’t guarantee a championship. No quarterback has ever won a super bowl on his arm. It’s always a team effort. So whichever quarterback has a ring was the best man for the team’s success. I don’t care about individual accolades if championships aren’t the end result. I play to win. Not to compete. And that’s with everything I do.

You are right, I'd rather have tony kukoc over Charles barkely... Barkley never won a title, kukoc has multiple rings.....lol. you are answering knowing who has rings. If you could draft him kelly or eli, if you say eli, you are an idiot.

keysersoze · Jan 24, 2020

Reid1boys said:
You are right, I'd rather have tony kukoc over Charles barkely... Barkley never won a title, kukoc has multiple rings.....lol. you are answering knowing who has rings. If you could draft him kelly or eli, if you say eli, you are an idiot.

Now we’re talking basketball? SMDH. I don’t celebrate individual accolades if a championship is not accompanied by them. I care about winning. Not personal stuff. Team stuff. So my opinion is that Eli, no matter what you think of him is a Champion. He did what the Giants needed him to do on the biggest of stages and win multiple times. I couldn’t care less about those who you all feel are better quarterbacks. I care about Championship winning quarterbacks. That’s what I’m looking for.
Name one quarterback who won a Super Bowl solely on his “arm talent”? Show me just one who defied all odds and carried his team to victory. Without a solid defense and all the other key contributors.

Diehardblues · Jan 24, 2020

Here’s a list off top of my head of Hall of Famers without a championship our brilliant residence above fan is calling losers. Lol

Dick Butkus
Gayle Sayers
Deacon Jones
Carl Eller
OJ Simpson
Earl Campbell
Dan Marino
Barry Sanders
Erik Dickerson
Dan Fouts
Fran Tarkenton
Jim Kelly
Charley Joiner
Thurman Thomas
Kellen Winslow

I guess we can add Jason Witten to this HOF losers too.

The list goes on . All losers without a championship. Lol
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...fame-players-to-never-win-a-super-bowl#slide0

kskboys · Jan 24, 2020

keysersoze said:
Now we’re talking basketball? SMDH. I don’t celebrate individual accolades if a championship is not accompanied by them. I care about winning. Not personal stuff. Team stuff. So my opinion is that Eli, no matter what you think of him is a Champion. He did what the Giants needed him to do on the biggest of stages and win multiple times. I couldn’t care less about those who you all feel are better quarterbacks. I care about Championship winning quarterbacks. That’s what I’m looking for.
Name one quarterback who won a Super Bowl solely on his “arm talent”? Show me just one who defied all odds and carried his team to victory. Without a solid defense and all the other key contributors.

Easy. Tom Brady.

kskboys · Jan 24, 2020

keysersoze said:
That’s what losers do. Really.....

No, actually, this is what losers do^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Diehardblues · Jan 24, 2020

kskboys said:
No, actually, this is what losers do^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yep

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