Byron Jones or Amari Cooper?

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If we could sign only one, which should it be? A week ago, I would have said Cooper, hands down. Now, I am not so sure. I have seen a few interviews with Cooper lately and what I see is a guy who says he wants to stay, but he lacks passion.

I think the lack of passion shows up on the field. He seems to play with little or no emotion. He is a good receiver, but is he a fit in Dallas? He plays with his head down, if you know what I mean. He is not Michael Irvin, TO, or Dez in this regard. He makes plays but it never looks like he is giving 100%. He disappeared down the stretch when they really needed him.

I wonder if some think one has to display an flamboyant, demonstrative demeanor for people to think you have passion for the game.
I don't think you don’t have to be a loud and brash to be passionate and competitive, as you’ve seen guys like low toned, mellow-even guys like Marvin Harrison, Larry Fitzerald, Tim brown
and even jerry rice perform high, perform consistently, perform against the elite, and most importantly perform big in the biggest games in the most critical moments.

Some guys have different demeanors and show their passion/competitiveness in different ways, but even the low toned ones still show their ultra of competitiveness on the field,.. against the very best on the field at the game's most critical moments.
 

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Which is easier to find? WR or CB? Posters complain about Jones not getting picks but he shows up in every game.

I do not doubt Cooper's heart because of his laidback demeanor. But 18M for a WR that doesn't show up in every game, and this has been a trait since he entered the NFL, is a luxury item, not a necessity.

First they gave up. Got a hell of a lot more out of him in half a season than Charleton's entire time as a Cowboy.

Maybe I am out to lunch, but the D needs help and letting the most consistent player on it walk doesn't look like a good start to me.
 

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Jones was a top 10 corner in 2018 and top 20 in 2019.

It CAN be easily replaced lol WR is a revolving door in this league and teams consistently win a lot of games and Super Bowls without a top 10-15 WR.

Quick, give me a run down of teams that had no good secondary players when they won a Super Bowl the past 10 seasons. Anyone wanting Cooper over Jones don’t understand football. There is nothing else to discuss here.

Let Cooper walk, sign Jones, get a DT and safety. That’s how you win Super Bowls. Not with inconsistent “elite WRs”

There are a lot of WR in the top 50 this year and we have two top 50 picks. CB not so much.
 

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Which is easier to find? WR or CB? Posters complain about Jones not getting picks but he shows up in every game.

I do not doubt Cooper's heart because of his laidback demeanor. But 18M for a WR that doesn't show up in every game, and this has been a trait since he entered the NFL, is a luxury item, not a necessity.

First they gave up. Got a hell of a lot more out of him in half a season than Charleton's entire time as a Cowboy.

Maybe I am out to lunch, but the D needs help and letting the most consistent player on it walk doesn't look like a good start to me.

Shows up every game doing what exactly?
 

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If we could sign only one, which should it be? A week ago, I would have said Cooper, hands down. Now, I am not so sure. I have seen a few interviews with Cooper lately and what I see is a guy who says he wants to stay, but he lacks passion. I think the lack of passion shows up on the field. He seems to play with little or no emotion. He is a good receiver, but is he a fit in Dallas? He plays with his head down, if you know what I mean. He is not Michael Irvin, TO, or Dez in this regard. He makes plays but it never looks like he is giving 100%. He disappeared down the stretch when they really needed him.

Looking at the averages of other WRs in the league, I would be shocked if Cooper does not want at least $16 million per year. In 2018, Mike Evans of the Bucs signed for 5 years and $82 million, or $16.5 million/year. Julio Jones and Michael Thomas average $22 million and $19.5 million respectively. I think it will take at least what Evans got if not more to sign Cooper.

CBs average a little less. The top CBs salary is about $15 million/year. I am guessing Jones will be offered at least 5 yrs, $75 million. The question is, would you rather have Cooper for $17-18 million a year or Jones for $15 miillion - or neither?
I never thought of it like that but this is tough to answer. Jones is solid but doesnt get the ints. Cooper worries me because of his track record. He was injured this year but that hang dog look and being counted on as the guy to make big plays. I just dont know if bvn he worth paying that kind of money. He had one good season with the Raiders but Crabtree was more reliable.
 

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Y'all are aware that a DB's job isn't to solely get turnovers, right?

To judge a DB off of INTs would be like saying a QB, who is top 5 in passing yards, is an elite QB.

There is far more to a DBs game than turnovers.
 

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For consistency I'd say Jones. Never liked the Coop acquisition despite the nice games he's had
 

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I love how fans think we can just let Cooper go and immediately find an upgrade in the draft/FA.

But what the hell, let's go into the season with Gallup, a rookie, and a guy like Allen Hurns (LOL, remember when people thought he was going to be good?). That should be a recipe for success, plus, now teams won't have to worry about a receiver so they can stack the box against Zeke and you'll have something else to complain about.

I hate that Jerry Jones is GM, but reading these boards makes me realize it could be so much worse.
And what's even more loveable is how fans think WR's win titles, when it's so obviously the trenches.
 

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We had passion but yall were scared of it.. or it rubbed some the wrong way.. now you got quiet and not the same. Do we see byron play with any passion? Not really If you ask me.. if I had to choose its coop.. hes more valuable to this teams success if you ask me.. not to mention we just drafted him last year
 

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Unless a CB is a ballhawk, INTs are completely overrated.

I see what you’re saying here, it’s just that I think you’re somehow downplaying the importance of turnovers as factors for whether or not the team actually wins or loses. I couldn’t care less if INTs are overrated in reference to Byron Jones, because they are absolutely vital to winning football games.

That said, I’m not 100% sure that the Cowboys defense’s lack of turnovers is all on the players. Yes, players are on the field, coaches aren’t, but the Cowboys have played an ultra-conservative defense the past 7 seasons. Lots of zone coverage, about 25% blitzing and playing to make the opposing offense drive the entire field hoping they make a mistake to force a change of possession. It was all about making sure you don’t give up the big play and we rarely made that work in 7 seasons.

In one of his articles from The Athletic, Bob Sturm said:
“The Cowboys decided they needed a change. I do not believe they seriously considered Kris Richard or Rod Marinelli for future positions here. They tried their ideas repeatedly and found that no takeaways were a constant, and this constant was tilting the field against them. When that happens, you are asking more of your offense — not less — by starting every field position deeper than your opponents every week. And, no matter how careful your offense is with the football, they still lose the turnover battle because the defense can’t get it. They were determined to change in 2020 long before they hired the new help.”

Teams that win the turnover battle win 78% of their games.
 
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