Who is the best option at QB?

Kwyn · Jan 24, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
Don't forget about the possibility of bringing in Luck. No idea if he would do it but he's out there too.

I think there is almost no chance of that. When he left he said he had no idea what he would do next but all he wanted to do was not be in pain. His dad, just a week ago or so, said that Luck has expressed no interest at all in playing football.

On the long odds that he does return, the Colts still have his rights. They put over a 100m into him, including a ton of money as a sweetheart farewell gift that they didn’t need to do. I don’t see them just releasing him if he somehow did want to return.

keysersoze · Jan 24, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
Yeah, but that's already been offered to Dak. He and his agent have rejected it so that would seem to be off the table, at this point.

Link please?

DIAF · Jan 24, 2020

CATCH17 said:
If we had Carr or Mariotta it would not be a huge drop from Dak. Even Jameis would do well here as much as I do not like that guy.

This is a joke, right? People ACTUALLY think that Mariota and Jameis are just as good as Dak, or not far off?

Jameis has an offense that throws the ball a million times and 2 All-World WRs, and he STILL can't succeed. He still manages to throw 30 interceptions a year. He had a FIVE INT game this year.

Mariota hasn't been a top 20 QB in over 3 years.

Come on, people.

DIAF · Jan 24, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
Don't forget about the possibility of bringing in Luck. No idea if he would do it but he's out there too.

Luck's rights are still owned by the Colts. Never happening.

DIAF · Jan 24, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
You kinda don't get it do you. Take your stuff elsewhere. You've already shown me who you are. Keep your beer, I have my own........

ABQ, this board really isn't for old timers like us anymore. This place has gotten super dumb and poster quality has taken a huge nose dive the last 10 years.

black label · Jan 24, 2020

Redball Express said:
Dak is short on timing and ball placement.

Absolutely.

Not even sure enough can be taught to Dak in time for 2020.

Dak is really strong at somethings.

But basically I see him as a 'street baller'.

To me that means he plays best when he moves out of the pocket and throws to a WR that breaks free. He targets well on the move.

Not so much when he needs to read progressions and throw on timing. The WCO requires a thinking QB who can play a read ahead of what the defense wants to do

I do not see and have never seen Dak do this..not by design anyway.

That is not what he had in college and not what he had in 2016 under Linehan.

It was quickly throw to the first open man.

After having Romo hold the ball for game after game..

Dak was a complete departure offensively.

So now we are expecting Dak to grasp a very different set of offensive keys under Mc Carthy?

We have a rough road ahead I think.

hes like wacky dacky, the wild street thrower, cant teach wild man to be a pure pocket accurate passer, it comes natural with elite qb's

DogFace · Jan 25, 2020

NotForLong said:
100% i believe he is the reason. He was showcased . . . He achieved empty stats and the Cowboys were ineffective against Quality teams.

Relying on Dak early in games caused us to fall behind which caised us to rely even more on him. In the last 4 years Our Defense has prospered when the Cowboys grinded out yards in a possession based offense.

As far as Special teams the Kicker should have been replaced sooner. But I have always had an issue with the nonexistent red Zone offense. If you are honest and factor in Zeke and the Oline then 100% of the blame falls on the QB ability tp accurately place the ball in a tight spot.

In the RedZone the edges are utilized and if not its crossing timing passes that are relied on. Instead of taking advantage of a team selling out to not let Zeke gain an Inch, Dak is incapable of dropping a pass in a tight window. And the defense knows this the Book is out.

I am 44 years old I love football and have studied it extensively.

The Oline is one of the greatest units ever assembled in NFL History. I am judging Lb Secondary DLINe Lbers.

Cowboys Oline was a unique weapon no other team ever had.

2014 was special (robbed).

2015 was tragic (lost NFL leading rusher and Romo).

2016 was sureal but squandered (Elite weapon abandoned for no good reason)

2017 stumbling block (Distraction of the looming and eventual Suspension of up and coming NFL star based on hersey and no convictions)

2018 drama (Dez is unceramoniously dumped ala Romo)

2019 pay the piper (Drama from Zeke holdout with Dak entering his final Year Zeke makes a preemptive strike to ensure he is paid while there is money left. Dak plays beyond his capabilities and team falters. If he would have embraced the Bus Driver role. The Cowboys will have been more successful and Dak would be paid genourously.

Instead Dak throws for 5000 yds Cowboys beat 1 team with winning record and Dak is refusing top Money because he got 5000 yds on his resume

Is Dak worth 3x as much as Zeke. And we all thought Zeke was greedy.

So now the greatest Weapon in NFL history has been squandered with No Rings to prove they were the best.

All they got on thier resume is that they elevated an average QB to become the receipant of 35 million a year.

But to be honest that may be thier greatest accomplishment.

But I am a Fan of the Coboys and Not Dak. I wish to see another QB . . . a QB with NFL Caliber starting QB qualities become elevated by this O-Line

Do you understand what 6th in scoring means? It means we were 6th.

You’re saying we climbed all the way to 6th with the 2nd most passing yards, 65% pct., and they were empty stats? (We also were at the top of the league in drops)

Really man. Listen to what you’re saying.

Add this into your 44 years of research please:
“A deep dive into Prescott’s first 50 starts reveals some staggering results. According to Pro Football Reference, nearly 200 quarterbacks have made at least 50 starts in the modern era of the NFL (post 1950). Prescott’s 26 interceptions are the fewest of any quarterback during their first 50 starts.

Is that number skewed by limited throws? Nope. Prescott also owns the best interception rate (1 per 59.1 passes) in NFL history for a quarterback’s first 50 starts.

Prescott’s 2.8 TD/INT ratio ranks second to Aaron Rodgers (2.9).

Doesn’t throw the ball downfield? Nah. Prescott’s 7.72 adjusted yards per attempt ranks seventh in first 50 history, one spot behind Dan Marino (7.84) and ahead of Ben Roethlisberger (7.67), Peyton Manning (6.88) and a slew of Hall of Famers”
https://www.shreveporttimes.com/sto...historic-numbers-early-his-career/2374370001/

I guess those kind of achievements are empty also?

DogFace · Jan 25, 2020

InTheZone said:
not saying it was you, but there were tons of posts and probably even threads trying to blame defense and special teams when we lost games this year by the scores of:

10-12
9-13
9-17

It was sad reading those arguments that somehow Dak wasn't the bigger issue in those games and that somehow a single special teams play or their play in general, despite some of these low scoring games, was the bigger issue. It's like looking at a full grown bear and someone says, no that's a twinkie.

Just 3 games, but absolutely pathetic on Daks part. Don't read this as "I'm only blaming Dak" as some of you (again, not saying it's you) quickly choose to. He had many other games where he was flat for a half or 3 quarters, this is just a sample size. I don't give a darn about him lighting up the league for 3 games, I look at consistency and tendencies. He is more often than not below average or average more than he is above average.

What are the metrics that lead you to say he’s inconsistent?

“A deep dive into Prescott’s first 50 starts reveals some staggering results. According to Pro Football Reference, nearly 200 quarterbacks have made at least 50 starts in the modern era of the NFL (post 1950). Prescott’s 26 interceptions are the fewest of any quarterback during their first 50 starts.

Is that number skewed by limited throws? Nope. Prescott also owns the best interception rate (1 per 59.1 passes) in NFL history for a quarterback’s first 50 starts.

Prescott’s 2.8 TD/INT ratio ranks second to Aaron Rodgers (2.9).

Doesn’t throw the ball downfield? Nah. Prescott’s 7.72 adjusted yards per attempt ranks seventh in first 50 history, one spot behind Dan Marino (7.84) and ahead of Ben Roethlisberger (7.67), Peyton Manning (6.88) and a slew of Hall of Famers”
https://www.shreveporttimes.com/sto...historic-numbers-early-his-career/2374370001/

That stuff seems good to me. And now he was second in passing with 65% and the most drops(or one of)

I don’t get your reasoning.

DogFace · Jan 25, 2020

black label said:
hes like wacky dacky, the wild street thrower, cant teach wild man to be a pure pocket accurate passer, it comes natural with elite qb's

We both know what elite means. By definition the vast majority of teams won’t have them.

Bullflop · Jan 25, 2020

I'll be hoping that the staff sees fit to at least add a promising new QB in the draft this year.
Perhaps one who's reasonably likely to develop into an intriguingly hopeful backup! :thumbup:

It wouldn't necessarily have to be an early pick but one more in the area of a #4 or #5.

Hadenough · Jan 25, 2020

Kwyn said:
No, not anything to do with Keenum specifically, but rather your ridiculous and suggestion that any business would ever operate this way.

Your scenario is more like a 13 year old kid who wheedles and cajoles the girl down the street into agreeing to a kiss and then, when he tries for second base and gets slapped, cries and complains saying “Not Fair! You already said you would! No take backs!!!”

That is no more far fetched than overpaying Dak. By the way did that girl really slap you when you were 13?

Kwyn · Jan 25, 2020

Hadenough said:
That is no more far fetched than overpaying Dak. By the way did that girl really slap you when you were 13?

I chose that metaphor to put it in terms that a 13 year old might understand since your “plan” couldn’t possibly be devised by an adult.

(this is the part where you still don’t get it and tell us how 2nd base for you was when you were 8 and by the time you were 13 you were slaying high school chicks.)

Hadenough · Jan 25, 2020

Redball Express said:
if our past in resigning and replacing players is reflective with Zeke and Tank and our plans to replace Dez by Committee are representative..

It will feature wasted time and paying too much for Dak.

I think were all expecting that move which really is no big deal. Its been that way for so long you get used to it. What people dont realize is you can hone the talent you have but you cant coach talent into a QB.

Kwyn · Jan 25, 2020

Mr_C said:
What are the metrics that lead you to say he’s inconsistent?

“A deep dive into Prescott’s first 50 starts reveals some staggering results. According to Pro Football Reference, nearly 200 quarterbacks have made at least 50 starts in the modern era of the NFL (post 1950). Prescott’s 26 interceptions are the fewest of any quarterback during their first 50 starts.

Is that number skewed by limited throws? Nope. Prescott also owns the best interception rate (1 per 59.1 passes) in NFL history for a quarterback’s first 50 starts.

Prescott’s 2.8 TD/INT ratio ranks second to Aaron Rodgers (2.9).

Doesn’t throw the ball downfield? Nah. Prescott’s 7.72 adjusted yards per attempt ranks seventh in first 50 history, one spot behind Dan Marino (7.84) and ahead of Ben Roethlisberger (7.67), Peyton Manning (6.88) and a slew of Hall of Famers”
https://www.shreveporttimes.com/sto...historic-numbers-early-his-career/2374370001/

That stuff seems good to me. And now he was second in passing with 65% and the most drops(or one of)

I don’t get your reasoning.

Don’t bother. Kinda frustrating but too many posters confuse their opinion with fact

had a guy yesterday who said that Dak is a fumbler when he is under pressure and that it was the knock on him coming out of college

when he was corrected by being shown that Dak was 23rd amongst starting QB’s for fumbles, the poster stated “I said “WHEN PRESSURED”.

pretty sure the vast majority of fumbles happen when you are under pressure. You know, getting sacked and stuff, but this guy somehow was able to rationalize his position, which defied the laws of reality, by using some crazy eyeball test that only he can understand and inevitable changes play to play and player to player, depending on his own agenda..

Mobinvans · Jan 25, 2020

Whoever is cheaper

Pants · Jan 25, 2020

There is absolutely no one on the OP's list other than Dak that could or should start for Dallas

some have said Brady? he is slower than molasses in winter, no
Brees? love him but he is NEVER leaving NO so why is he even on the list
Winston? sucks - too int-prone
Rivers? get his walker out
Tannehill? had a nice run with the Titans, can't imagine him leaving there, but Dak >> Tannehill anyway
the rest of the list? c'mon, they were jokes, right?

IMO, Dak was held back by Garrett and his pathetically vanilla scripted plays; why did Dak seem to have big 2nd halfs? because Moore was in charge at that point; I am pretty excited to see what Dak can do with this new coaching staff....Dak is the guy...

Hadenough · Jan 25, 2020

This isnt about bashing Dak its more about why Dallas should look at all their options at QB vs paying Dak what ever he wants. Some will blame coaching and it could be part of it but the coach cant make the throws or catch the ball and Dak did miss some wide open guys that could of changed the outcome beating a winning team.

Since taking over as a starter in 2016, Prescott has a 36-20 record. He's never had a losing season and has led the Cowboys to two playoff appearances and one playoff win. All good, right?

Dig deeper in those numbers, however, and there is a disturbing trend. In his career as a starter against teams with a winning record, Prescott is 10-14 (that could change depending on the Packers and Saints record at the end of the season). He went 5-3 in 2016 against winning teams, but since then he's only 5-11.

While that's not his fault alone, and while beating good teams is obviously tougher, the dichotomy between his performances this year against bad teams vs. good teams has been noticeable. In his first three games, he completed 74.7 percent of his passes for 920 yards and 9 TDs against 2 INTs. In his two losses, he's completed 64.1 percent of his passes for 686 yards and 2 TDs against 4 INTs. The contrast couldn't be more obvious.

Prescott has plenty of season to adjust and change these numbers, but the trend is working against him. As he seeks a new contract, this is the kind of leverage the Cowboys might use to squeeze a few bucks back. But regardless, as they get ready to pay him a hefty sum, the Cowboys have to wonder whether he can win a Super Bowl by stringing together three or four straight wins against winning teams when history shows beating good teams isn't their quarterback's strong suit.

Flamma · Jan 25, 2020

lonestar2288 said:
I would transition tag Dak. If I remember correctly, that would give Dallas right to match. If so, can find out his "true" market value and at least not bidding against ourselves

This is exactly what they should do. It's what anyone would do if it were a computer sim. But in real life this could and probably would be seen as disrespectful. He's asking for top dollar. There is no downside to the Transition tag at this point.

I'm probably seen as a Dak hater on here but I like Dak. I would not be surprised if under a new coach and system he improves dramatically just from a better system in place. We had Romo out there tossing it left and right and he posted a bunch of 8-8s. I'd like to see what Prescott can do in this new system. But I'm still for transition tagging him. There is absolutely no reason for a franchise tag in this situation.

Flamma · Jan 25, 2020

the_h0wey said:
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Drew, he's pretty good.

Jameis is garbage.

Kwyn · Jan 25, 2020

Hadenough said:
That is no more far fetched than overpaying Dak. By the way did that girl really slap you when you were 13?

Btw, I enjoy your posts where you give thoughtful answers like the one this morning about Dak’s win rate vs winning teams and opinions about the staff’s ability to coach him up. Maybe you were just joking about tricking Keenum, but if not, give us more like the former and less of the latter!

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