Interesting Romo stat I ran across

SultanOfSix · Jan 25, 2020

I'm not sure why people keep moving the goal posts. No one said Romo never had a defense or never had a shot.

The fact of the matter is, Romo's defenses where primarily average to mediocre in points allowed and he still led a team to 42 wins during that time frame. The offense had to compensate more for a poor defense than vice versa in order to win. The SB winning QBs who are considered great in the OP's stats rarely had to do that by comparison (except for Peyton), which shows that they typically had better teams. It would be interesting to know how quantitatively good Romo's offensive lines were too during these seasons, because from memory and the eye test, they were just as mediocre to bad.

Winning percentages in elimination games are such a stupid stat, especially if you're fighting to make the playoffs. That you're doing the latter means you have a little better than average team. Whether that's due to the defense, offense, coaching has to be assessed on a team by team basis.

Aviano90 · Jan 25, 2020

SultanOfSix said:
I'm not sure why people keep mving the goal posts. No one said Romo never had a defense or never had a shot.

The fact of the matter is, Romo's defenses where primarily average to mediocre in points allowed and he still led a team to 42 wins during that time frame. The offense had to compensate more for a poor defense than vice versa in order to win. The SB winning QBs who are considered great in the OP's stats rarely had to do that by comparison, which shows that they typically had better teams. It would be interesting to know how quantitatively good Romo's offensive lines were too during these seasons, because from memory and the eye test, they were just as mediocre to bad.

Winning percentages in elimination games are such a stupid stat, especially if you're fighting to make the playoffs. That you're doing the latter means you have a little better than average team. Whether that's due to the defense, offense, coaching has to be assessed on a team by team basis.

That is typically what happens when you spend more resources on offense than you do on defense. It’s how the Cowboys chose to build their team. I guess it sold more tickets.

Techsass · Jan 25, 2020

The OP had an interesting take worth sharing. I think it's funny how some of y'all need to spin it into a Romo/Dak contest.

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Jan 25, 2020

rocyaice said:
Elway played in a much different era. I can’t compare those two guys and do justice to Elway. Eli should be compared to the Romo’s or Phillip Rivers. Guys in his actual era.

Agree, same when you here some on here talking about Troy numbers. There numbers especially Troy's are going to be lighter, especially when you have ES and that beast of an OL and TD did the same for John.

Flamma · Jan 25, 2020

Aviano90 said:
One game was against Philly in 2013 and Romo was hurt for the week 17 game. Kyle Orton played that game and we had a chance late in the 4th quarter to win that game, but Orton threw an interception. We just 24-22.

I am not sure how many we were favored to win. I just know the team did have opportunities to win those games and it wasn’t just bad defense that caused losses in those games. That’s why I don’t subscribe to the theory Romo never had a shot.

Oh crap, I guess you pay more attention to detail. I forgot about Orton. So he was 0-7 as away dogs and 2-0 as home favorites. Peyton Manning was 3-6 as underdogs. One of those wins came as a home dog. Not nearly as bad as Romo, but also not a record you'd hang up on a wall. Bottom line is it's not easy going on the road and winning with an inferior team. It's like that for almost any quarterback to some extent. A lot of these QBs everyone bends over for usually win at home, when they are expected to win at home. Even though I know point spread is not always indicative of who is the better team. Or else the Cowboys would have 10 Super Bowls by now. As I'm pretty sure they have the most playoff losses going in as the favorite than any other team in the NFL.

Aviano90 · Jan 25, 2020

Flamma said:
Oh crap, I guess you pay more attention to detail. I forgot about Orton. So he was 0-7 as away dogs and 2-0 as home favorites. Peyton Manning was 3-6 as underdogs. One of those wins came as a home dog. Not nearly as bad as Romo, but also not a record you'd hang up on a wall. Bottom line is it's not easy going on the road and winning with an inferior team. It's like that for almost any quarterback to some extent. A lot of these QBs everyone bends over for usually win at home, when they are expected to win at home. Even though I know point spread is not always indicative of who is the better team. Or else the Cowboys would have 10 Super Bowls by now. As I'm pretty sure they have the most playoff losses going in as the favorite than any other team in the NFL.

Interesting point. Admittedly I am not a big better after Steve Spurrier threw a Hail Mary pass in the final seconds of a blowout win against Kentucky costing me $100.

That said, many of those point spreads were 3 points or less on the road. From what I understand the norm is the home team gets 3 points as a general rule of thumb so a 3 point spread in favor of the home team is essentially thought of as a “pick em” game. Anything less than that for the visiting team is thought of as more favorable for the visiting team. Is that true?

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 25, 2020

Cowboysheelsreds053 said:
Agree, same when you here some on here talking about Troy numbers. There numbers especially Troy's are going to be lighter, especially when you have ES and that beast of an OL and TD did the same for John.

100% right. Troy got the best stats of them all. He has 3 rings.

DFWJC · Jan 25, 2020

Qcard said:
Romo had Parcells, Wade and Garrett

Dak had Garrett has McCarthy

Romo 06 Fumbled Snap Seattle
Romo 07 R.W. McQuarters End Zone pick
Romo 08 1 Playoff Win 104.9 Rating Eagles
Romo 08 Vikings 3 Fumbles Pick Sacked 6x

These are the stats that matter.

Romo will get Ring Of Honor and a place in history for building new Stadium.

This is VERY disingenuous

Unbelievably so

For starters (but just tip of iceberg) you left out 2014 entirely

Gorgon · Jan 25, 2020

Aviano90 said:
How many of those wins were against teams with a winning record? That is a big stat around here recently.

Yah, but ya gotta remember: if it's NFC East, and the Cowboys are winning, then SIX of those wins "cause" the other teams to have losing records.
I get the stat---but it's a tad misleading. For ex., if the NYGians end up 7-9 and we gave them two losses in the season, we were more than partly responsible for them having a "losing record."

Runwildboys · Jan 25, 2020

big dog cowboy said:

That'll always be one of my favorite Cowboys plays.

Flamma · Jan 25, 2020

Aviano90 said:
That said, many of those point spreads were 3 points or less on the road. From what I understand the norm is the home team gets 3 points as a general rule of thumb so a 3 point spread in favor of the home team is essentially thought of as a “pick em” game. Anything less than that for the visiting team is thought of as more favorable for the visiting team. Is that true?

Those are more or less evenly matched games with the home team winning the majority of them. That's why the 3 points. But yeah, once you get under those 3 points it says a lot about the opinion of the away team, that doesn't mean they're better. For example, the Cowboys played in and lost three NFC conference championships in a row in '80, '81, and '82. They were actually favored in two of them. Every game was away. The Cowboys were not the better team in any of them. But in most cases the away team in a big game has an uphill battle. It isn't easy to overcome and most find themselves losing more than winning.

percyhoward · Jan 25, 2020

Romo has cemented his spot as the Ken Anderson of this century. Among QB with at least 2,000 attempts, here are the Top 20 in era-adjusted passer rating. Bold = HOF

1 Graham
2 Young
3 Montana
4 Baugh
5 Staubach
6 Dawson
7 Rodgers
8 Manning
9 Brees
10 Warner
11 Wilson
12 Brady
13 Romo
14 Anderson
15 Jurgensen
16 Tarkenton
17 Van Brocklin
18 Griese
19 Marino
20 Starr

An obvious point to be made is that Anderson (like the #2 and #3 QB on this list) played in Bill Walsh's system, and Romo was basically on his own.

Philmonroe · Jan 25, 2020

Techsass said:
The OP had an interesting take worth sharing. I think it's funny how some of y'all need to spin it into a Romo/Dak contest.

Insecurity is a mother bleeper

Hawkeye0202 · Jan 25, 2020

percyhoward said:
Romo has cemented his spot as the Ken Anderson of this century. Among QB with at least 2,000 attempts, here are the Top 20 in era-adjusted passer rating. Bold = HOF

1 Graham
2 Young
3 Montana
4 Baugh
5 Staubach
6 Dawson
7 Rodgers
8 Manning
9 Brees
10 Warner
11 Wilson
12 Brady
13 Romo
14 Anderson
15 Jurgensen
16 Tarkenton
17 Van Brocklin
18 Griese
19 Marino
20 Starr

An obvious point to be made is that Anderson (like the #2 and #3 QB on this list) played in Bill Walsh's system, and Romo was basically on his own.

Honest/serious question.......if you look at the HOFers or players from this list likely to get it, you think Romo gets in .......SOME DAY?

Jarv · Jan 25, 2020

rocyaice said:
Man people try and change the narrative now. Now Romo never had a defense. No matter if he had a defense or not the results were always the same. First round exit or missed out on the playoffs.

Sounds like this season.

Fletch · Jan 25, 2020

Ranching said:
Who is this Romo guy? His name sounds familiar.

Doesn’t matter. He sucks too.

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · Jan 25, 2020

12+88=7 said:
Expand for response

I thought I erased that first part where I quoted myself. Cause I was just poking the dragon on that part. But then i thought I'm not going to put words in this dudes mouth. So that's why i tried to erase it. My bad.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 25, 2020

Jarv said:
Sounds like this season.

It is. The same story for the past 20 years.

DallasEast · Jan 25, 2020

Techsass said:
The OP had an interesting take worth sharing. I think it's funny how some of y'all need to spin it into a Romo/Dak contest.

'Funny' is one way to put it. Or...

"I think it's expected how some of y'all need to spin it into a Romo/Dak contest."
"I think it's repetitive how some of y'all need to spin it into a Romo/Dak contest."
"I think it's superfluous how some of y'all need to spin it into a Romo/Dak contest."

...works just as well. Then again, 'funny' etc., applies to a significant number of Prescott threads too. lol.

WillieBeamen · Jan 25, 2020

12+88=7 said:
Romo has 42 such wins putting him 8th on the list.

Prescott has no such wins.

YOU HATE TO SEE IT :lmao:

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