News: LVE update, Prognosis is good

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LVE wont admit if the prognosis is poor. Any good agent, looking after his clients interests, will always advise a player to be optimistic........until his yearly salary is guaranteed by making the opening week 53 man roster.
In a case like this, liability might demand full disclosure.
 

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Barry Sanders never won anything. Maybe he should have had some celebration

Emmitt Smith also too his helmet off in the endzone after every TD to the point it was outlawed.

We arent talking about Jaylon Smith, we are talking about LVE and that you seem to take offense to his nickname

Oh boy I can see where this is going. Sanders may not have won anything but he was one of the best to ever play. This Dallas Cowboys team has also not won anything. Call me old school but I wish players would save the nicknames and dances until they were established, winning players. I don’t take offense to LVE’s nickname at all. It could be a good one the day he earned the right to have one. He and this Defense were an embarrassment this past season. They should be limiting the dances until they can figure out how not to get smoked by the Buffalo Bills at home on national TV.
 

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Here's the article:

Speaking at the Senior Bowl, Cowboys chief operating officer Stephen Jones told reporters that linebacker Leighton Vander Esch's recent neck surgery went well.

"I feel good about it, really good about him making a full recovery and being ready to participate in everything," Jones said.

Vander Esch missed the final six games of the season with a neck issue. The Cowboys opted for him to rest and try to let the inflammation calm down first before considering a minor procedure as an option. He'll point toward participating in the voluntary offseason program this spring, which starts in April.


Note: Jones says the SURGERY WENT WELL! There is no quote from a doctor speculating about his prognosis beyond the surgery.
Note: Stephen expresses his HOPE! "I feel good about it, really good about him making a full recovery …" This is his OPINION. He doesn't say that the doctors have said this.

A neck injury is very serious, especially if you're playing a violent game like football. I hope LVE can play at 100 percent, but there's no indication that this is the case. So while this news is promising, I can't get too excited. We're not talking about a leg injury. We're talking about a neck injury brought on by a spinal condition. :eek:
 

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Here's the article:




Note: Jones says the SURGERY WENT WELL! There is no quote from a doctor speculating about his prognosis beyond the surgery.
Note: Stephen expresses his HOPE! "I feel good about it, really good about him making a full recovery …" This is his OPINION. He doesn't say that the doctors have said this.

A neck injury is very serious, especially if you're playing a violent game like football. I hope LVE can play at 100 percent, but there's no indication that this is the case. So while this news is promising, I can't get too excited. We're not talking about a leg injury. We're talking about a neck injury brought on by a spinal condition. :eek:
How often is the doctor ever directly quoted when a player has surgery? Doctors don't hold press conferences every time they perform surgery on an athlete. The teams are the ones that release info.
 

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How often is the doctor ever directly quoted when a player has surgery? Doctors don't hold press conferences every time they perform surgery on an athlete. The teams are the ones that release info.

First, every time is the operative phrase. They have addressed the public about highly publicized celebrities.
Second, my point isn't that the doctor doesn't publicly give a prognosis. My point is that Jones is saying the surgery went well. He doesn't include a prognosis from the doctor about LVE's future. If the doctors gave such a prognosis, don't you think Stephen would have said so? All we have from Jones about what the doctors said is that the surgery went well. That's all we can go on. That, really, was my point.
 

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First, every time is the operative phrase. They have addressed the public about highly publicized celebrities.
Second, my point isn't that the doctor doesn't publicly give a prognosis. My point is that Jones is saying the surgery went well. He doesn't include a prognosis from the doctor about LVE's future. If the doctors gave such a prognosis, don't you think Stephen would have said so? All we have from Jones about what the doctors said is that the surgery went well. That's all we can go on. That, really, was my point.

lol - so once in awhile with "celebrities" being covered by the Star and similar TV celebrity gossip programs the patient allows the doctor to talk to the media so that celebrity can get more media attention …. I don't see the application to LVE.

I'm sure you know the doctors cannot talk to the media, or anyone else, about a patient unless that patient gives him permission. There is no reason LVE would have done that.

As for Stephen's comments on it, I think you are reading way too much into him saying "the prognosis is good" rather than "the doctor says the prognosis is good". The prognosis comes from the doctor, so the way Stephen said it indicates that it is the doctor who said the prognosis is good.
 

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lol - so once in awhile with "celebrities" being covered by the Star and similar TV celebrity gossip programs the patient allows the doctor to talk to the media so that celebrity can get more media attention …. I don't see the application to LVE.

First, doctors can address general information, especially if it involves a public figure. And LVE is a public figure by virtue of his status with the Dallas Cowboys. Second, I've witnessed doctors hold press conferences after surgery and procedures, particularly if it involved a famous person, i.e., a public figure or a public medical situation.

I'm sure you know the doctors cannot talk to the media, or anyone else, about a patient unless that patient gives him permission. There is no reason LVE would have done that.

Yes, I know. I used to be a reporter. Unless the patient gives permission, is the operative phrase. Second, we don't know whether in players contracts, they (players) agree to waive their rights in certain situations. Because players get injured and there is a reason for disclosing injuries (which the league does weekly during the season), it could be that the disclosing of injuries connected to football is something that is automatic to NFL contracts. So it wouldn't matter whether LVE gave consent or not. It could be a contractual issue. I suspect this is the case, which is the reason why Stephen Jones can address LVE's situation PUBLICLY.


As for Stephen's comments on it, I think you are reading way too much into him saying "the prognosis is good" rather than "the doctor says the prognosis is good". The prognosis comes from the doctor, so the way Stephen said it indicates that it is the doctor who said the prognosis is good.

I'm reading what was said. Stephen doesn't say the prognosis is good. He says the surgery went well. Those are two separate statements. Now, there may have been a forecast. But we don't know that. And that's my point. Stephen is given enough information to say the surgery went well. But he doesn't say that the doctors said the prognosis is good. Rather, he says "I feel good" LVE can play. Again, the doctor may have told LVE this, but we don't know.
 

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First, doctors can address general information, especially if it involves a public figure. And LVE is a public figure by virtue of his status with the Dallas Cowboys. Second, I've witnessed doctors hold press conferences after surgery and procedures, particularly if it involved a famous person, i.e., a public figure or a public medical situation.



Yes, I know. I used to be a reporter. Unless the patient gives permission, is the operative phrase. Second, we don't know whether in players contracts, they (players) agree to waive their rights in certain situations. Because players get injured and there is a reason for disclosing injuries (which the league does weekly during the season), it could be that the disclosing of injuries connected to football is something that is automatic to NFL contracts. So it wouldn't matter whether LVE gave consent or not. It could be a contractual issue. I suspect this is the case, which is the reason why Stephen Jones can address LVE's situation PUBLICLY.




I'm reading what was said. Stephen doesn't say the prognosis is good. He says the surgery went well. Those are two separate statements. Now, there may have been a forecast. But we don't know that. And that's my point. Stephen is given enough information to say the surgery went well. But he doesn't say that the doctors said the prognosis is good. Rather, he says "I feel good" LVE can play. Again, the doctor may have told LVE this, but we don't know.
Being a public figure has nothing to do with it. A public figure doesn't somehow have any less ability to control what a doctor reveals to the public about their health than your next door neighbor does

As for info being revealed to the NFL, that occurs through the teams, not through the player's doctor talking to the media, and the media passing it on to the league office. I assume the NFL has some right to confirm with the doctors, but that's not the same as the media confirming with the doctors.

As for Stephen only saying the surgery went well instead of adding that that prognosis is good, I apologize for missing that point, although there is a very fine distinction because he did say he feels really good about LVE's chances of a full recovery and being able to participate in whatever the team does. Accordingly, maybe we should tap the breaks a little on the "prognosis", but it's not unreasonable to assume that Stephen comments were based on what the doctor has indicated.
 

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Do you have Google where you live?

yeah sure. But i am not the one who made a claim without sources. Nor am I the one that posted the source...opinions... from a month ago rather than using new information from post-surgery.
 

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yeah sure. But i am not the one who made a claim without sources. Nor am I the one that posted the source...opinions... from a month ago rather than using new information from post-surgery.

I showed the source. It's your problem if you don;t like or can;t handle what it says, not mine.

No, you're the one that comes with nothing and foolishly tries to pick apart info that someone else does bring.

And here's another bit of news for the clueless:

No surgery is going to change the fact that the player has spinal stenosis. But stick your head in the sand on that too.

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Player was injured.
Player had surgery.
Player may regain his form or not.
Player may have a long career or not
Player may be injured again or not.

It's actually a really simple story. We all hope he has a long and effective career for the Cowboys. If not, the world still spins, and we find another starting LB.
 

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If Smith and LVE fail again in 2020 we draft two linebackers with our 1st and 2nd round pick next year.
 

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I showed the source. It's your problem if you don;t like or can;t handle what it says, not mine.

No, you're the one that comes with nothing and foolishly tries to pick apart info that someone else does bring.

And here's another bit of news for the clueless:

No surgery is going to change the fact that the player has spinal stenosis. But stick your head in the sand on that too.


Okay....cool. You have a good day.
 

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Can't wait to see the Wolfhunter on the field again. He's a special player. With competent coaches and a new defense I'm convinced we will see the 2018 version of him again.

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I'm wondering if the trio will still include Lee.
 
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