K'Lavon Chaisson

Rayman70 · Jan 25, 2020

he's a project. I see a kid that's still raw. But I think on the right team, he can develop into a stud. Dunno if we have the time to develop a project. He DOES have raw natural ability, but we need heavy handed big boys first and foremost. The guy will get owned at the NFL level.

darthseinfeld · Jan 25, 2020

Rayman70 said:
he's a project. I see a kid that's still raw. But I think on the right team, he can develop into a stud. Dunno if we have the time to develop a project. He DOES have raw natural ability, but we need heavy handed big boys first and foremost. The guy will get owned at the NFL level.

If we re-up Quinn for two years and add some big bodies on the DL, Chaisson could be a good fit. They want to run multiple fronts, and you would prefer not to stand Quinn up. For the start are his career, Chaisson could replace Quinn in odd fronts as a stand up rusher. Would give him both time in the field and time to grow into a player that can play more with his hand in the dirt

Rayman70 · Jan 25, 2020

darthseinfeld said:
If we re-up Quinn for two years and add some big bodies on the DL, Chaisson could be a good fit. They want to run multiple fronts, and you would prefer not to stand Quinn up. For the start are his career, Chaisson could replace Quinn in odd fronts as a stand up rusher. Would give him both time in the field and time to grow into a player that can play more with his hand in the dirt

AGREE TOTALLY. That's the caveat..IF we can sure up the interior..then I can see it working.

darthseinfeld · Jan 25, 2020

Rayman70 said:
AGREE TOTALLY. That's the caveat..IF we can sure up the interior..then I can see it working.

I think you will see FA activita there. Nothing splashy. No massive first day signings. But Malcolm Brown signed for 3 years, 15 million last year. That should be the market for guys like Shelton and Billings that we could target. I live near Buffalo, and alot of local talk is Phillips value should be around 7 AAV despite 9 sacks (1 year of production), and that they will let him walk after drafting Oliver. He could be a target as well

Daygoboy6191 · Jan 25, 2020

cnuball21 said:
Man gotta disagree here, I think he’s a stud.

I agree in that he’s not going to be an elite athlete or speed rusher, but there ls more than one way to win. He’s not Watt, but he’s got some of those traits and it sounds like he really loves the game off the field.

He’s got great size, length, power and 2 years of great production against quality opponents. He also shows surprising bend for someone that big.

I’ll be anxious to see what his 10 yard split and 3 cone look like, but he looks like a solid option at 17 for me.

I think he’s someone that’ll give you around 8 sacks a year with a lot of pressures and be well above average against the run.

If we needed a LE I would love Espenesa, but Lawrence isn't as productive at RE as he is at LE and Espenesa is what you want from a LE at the NFL level and not RE which is the problem I see with drafting him for us.

Chaisson is more of a ROLB, and his weigh-ins are going to be crucial determining his position initially will be in the NFL. If he is sniffing the mid 240's I think you need to take a very close look.

I think he can be your base sam and come in and play RE on pass-rushing downs until he bulks up with a season of NFL strength and conditioning to man the RE spot full time if that is what you decide to do with him. I also heard in the new scheme the DE's are going to play wider which will allow him to use his athleticism where he won't have to outmuscle the OT off the snap. I think he could be a stud if this is the case.

cnuball21 · Jan 25, 2020

Daygoboy6191 said:
If we needed a LE I would love Espenesa, but Lawrence isn't as productive at RE as he is at LE and Espenesa is what you want from a LE at the NFL level and not RE which is the problem I see with drafting him for us.

Chaisson is more of a ROLB, and his weigh-ins are going to be crucial determining his position initially will be in the NFL. If he is sniffing the mid 240's I think you need to take a very close look.

I think he can be your base sam and come in and play RE on pass-rushing downs until he bulks up with a season of NFL strength and conditioning to man the RE spot full time if that is what you decide to do with him. I also heard in the new scheme the DE's are going to play wider which will allow him to use his athleticism where he won't have to outmuscle the OT off the snap. I think he could be a stud if this is the case.

I think the whole RE/LE thing is a joke. All I care about is can the player rush the passer and play the run. It shouldn’t matter how they do it.

Espenesa can do both at a high level and think he could be a great DL player with flex.

reddyuta · Jan 25, 2020

Rayman70 said:
he's a project. I see a kid that's still raw. But I think on the right team, he can develop into a stud. Dunno if we have the time to develop a project. He DOES have raw natural ability, but we need heavy handed big boys first and foremost. The guy will get owned at the NFL level.

I wouldnt call him a project,he needs technique work .He has trouble finishing ,he had the same problem in the championship game.

darthseinfeld · Jan 25, 2020

cnuball21 said:
I think the whole RE/LE thing is a joke. All I care about is can the player rush the passer and play the run. It shouldn’t matter how they do it.

Espenesa can do both at a high level and think he could be a great DL player with flex.

You dont need to be a speed rusher to play RDE. Epenasa has the bend to project as a right side DE. Especially in a 7 gap, which is you main 4 man front DE gap. Speed rushers can play at 8 and 9 gaps as well as a 7, but that may not be a great fit with Lawrence. Lawrence is devastating from and 8 and 9 gap on the left side, and you usually want both rushers in wide gaps. Epenasa could be a good fit because he can 6 and 7 gaps in an even front, as well as a 5 on an odd front. A power rusher that can bring pressure from a 6 gap is a great fit opposite Lawrence

Daygoboy6191 · Jan 25, 2020

cnuball21 said:
I think the whole RE/LE thing is a joke. All I care about is can the player rush the passer and play the run. It shouldn’t matter how they do it.

Espenesa can do both at a high level and think he could be a great DL player with flex.

I disagree, although it is becoming closer to equal than it has in years past.
RE's in a 4-3 have typically been more athletic with speed and bend who might not be as stout against the run but more athletic to get to the QB.
LE's are usually slightly bigger to hold up against the run and able to walk the RT back while creating that RE space to clear the LT on his path to the QB.

With RT being paid in the same ballpark as LT the RT has become a more demanding spot to be a quality pass blocker than before where they were typically bigger and more road graders.

With all that being said we have our LE, and IMO that is Espenesa's position so I don't see him as a fit in this draft.

If Chaisson weighs in the 240's he should be a guy we look at closely because he has all the tools but is a bit raw.

cnuball21 · Jan 25, 2020

Daygoboy6191 said:
I disagree, although it is becoming closer to equal than it has in years past.
RE's in a 4-3 have typically been more athletic with speed and bend who might not be as stout against the run but more athletic to get to the QB.
LE's are usually slightly bigger to hold up against the run and able to walk the RT back while creating that RE space to clear the LT on his path to the QB.

With RT being paid in the same ballpark as LT the RT has become a more demanding spot to be a quality pass blocker than before where they were typically bigger and more road graders.

With all that being said we have our LE, and IMO that is Espenesa's position so I don't see him as a fit in this draft.

If Chaisson weighs in the 240's he should be a guy we look at closely because he has all the tools but is a bit raw.

Basically what I’m saying is a DE that can rush the passer and play the run I don’t care what side he’s on. DLaw can do both and Espenesa can do both. If we draft him, they’ll both be effective.

If we’re talking about a mid round guy that is great against the run and an average pass rusher, sure, play him at LE.

Daygoboy6191 · Jan 25, 2020

cnuball21 said:
Basically what I’m saying is a DE that can rush the passer and play the run I don’t care what side he’s on. DLaw can do both and Espenesa can do both. If we draft him, they’ll both be effective.

If we’re talking about a mid-round guy that is great against the run and an average pass rusher, sure, play him at LE.

Do you think Espenesa could be around 10 sacks per season guy if we can get some guys in the middle who can take on blocks?

I think they are going to focus heavy on the front 7 in the draft, but I wonder if DT is something they look to address in FA and a mid-round pick. If they need someone to eat blocks I am not sure they will focus on DT as a 1st round pick.
in a 4-3 alignment, I think there is going to be a huge difference in philosophies which there is always a ton of value in the mid-rounds for DT's.

805BoysInBlue · Jan 26, 2020

beware_d-ware said:
Yeah, the risk is he's a Beasley, Barkevious Mingo type 240 lb speed rusher who just gets washed out.

His measurables comp (or should comp) almost identically with Danielle Hunter if you're feeling optimistic, or Mingo if you're feeling pessimistic. I think what sets him aside is his hustle and his production at such a young age, but there is always risk with being a redshirt sophomore with only one good year.

I see a lot of Dee Ford in this guy

cnuball21 · Jan 26, 2020

Daygoboy6191 said:
Do you think Espenesa could be around 10 sacks per season guy if we can get some guys in the middle who can take on blocks?

I think they are going to focus heavy on the front 7 in the draft, but I wonder if DT is something they look to address in FA and a mid-round pick. If they need someone to eat blocks I am not sure they will focus on DT as a 1st round pick.
in a 4-3 alignment, I think there is going to be a huge difference in philosophies which there is always a ton of value in the mid-rounds for DT's.

I think he can give you a few seasons in that ballpark, but don’t think he’ll be a perennial 10+ sack guy.

The more I watch him the more I think he might be the kind of dude that you kick inside on 3rd and long and move him along the line.

beware_d-ware · Jan 26, 2020

cnuball21 said:
I think he can give you a few seasons in that ballpark, but don’t think he’ll be a perennial 10+ sack guy.

The more I watch him the more I think he might be the kind of dude that you kick inside on 3rd and long and move him along the line.

That's what I see; kind of a Crawford tweener type, but he could be a lot better player than Crawford is. The best-case comparison is probably Cam Jordan.

cnuball21 · Jan 26, 2020

beware_d-ware said:
That's what I see; kind of a Crawford tweener type, but he could be a lot better player than Crawford is. The best-case comparison is probably Cam Jordan.

I agree. I think Cam Jordan / Michael Bennet is a good comp as his ceiling which would be great.

beware_d-ware · Jan 26, 2020

Also, for the people wondering if Chaisson is big enough, people were saying the same thing about Tyron when he was a 20 yo 290 pound right tackle. Believe it or not, scouting reports of the day questioned Tyron's playing strength

I don't think that Chaisson is quite the physical ball of clay that Tyron was, but you can bet on a 20 yo athlete growing and getting stronger.

cnuball21 · Jan 27, 2020

What’s everyone’s take on Gros Matos?

He seems to be an intriguing prospect but I don’t know much about the hazing scandal.

Daygoboy6191 · Jan 27, 2020

cnuball21 said:
What’s everyone’s take on Gros Matos?

He seems to be an intriguing prospect but I don’t know much about the hazing scandal.

Lacks pass rush moves, pretty good get off but I don't see a next speed once he gets going and might have character issues.

I am not a fan of his or Weavers, and I know I don't seem too high on Espenesa but he is significantly higher in my quick eval of both of those. I watch them for about 5 minutes each know they aren't it. Where we are picking guys need to flash a bit and theres no flash there.

cnuball21 · Jan 28, 2020

Daygoboy6191 said:
Lacks pass rush moves, pretty good get off but I don't see a next speed once he gets going and might have character issues.

I am not a fan of his or Weavers, and I know I don't seem too high on Espenesa but he is significantly higher in my quick eval of both of those. I watch them for about 5 minutes each know they aren't it. Where we are picking guys need to flash a bit and theres no flash there.

Yea I don’t have them in the top 20, but Matos and Weaver are guys I like in the top 50.

CATCH17 · Jan 28, 2020

Rayman70 said:
he's a project. I see a kid that's still raw. But I think on the right team, he can develop into a stud. Dunno if we have the time to develop a project. He DOES have raw natural ability, but we need heavy handed big boys first and foremost. The guy will get owned at the NFL level.

He's not even 21 years old and the natural instincts just jump off the screen.

I would draft this guy in a second. In 2 or 3 years I think we'll look at him as a steal at pick 17.

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