Did you guys know Romo though 09-16 won 15 games?

ondaedg

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He had a caliber starting QB in Dak. Point is if Garrett didn’t have a very good starting QB the team wouldn’t win 5 games. Yet we see plenty of examples of teams losing their QB’s with below average QB’s taking over and still compete. See the Steelers of last year. There are plenty of examples.

Packers and Pats both have made playoff runs with extended play from backup QBs.
 

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That’s what I’m saying though. If you brought up his W/L record as a “Dak Boy”....why wouldn’t you still do it? His record is still good.

I think bringing up “W/L record” for any QB is point blank stupid.

It was paraded around for Dak at the start of the season because up until this season Dak didn’t have comparable raw statistical totals to bring up against other starters in the league.

Of course, after this season the Dak Boyz have abandoned that course of action and are now trumpeting his passing yard total for 2019 as the end-all, be-all.

That’s just how it works.
 

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With a good qb yes we did. Point is it takes a very good qb to win under Garrett.
All it takes is a good qb with good team and coach around him. We lost in 14 because of the defense caved we lost in 16 because the defense caved we lost in 18 because the defense caved.

we don’t need a Patrick mahomes to win the SB and that good because he isn’t available all we need is a better D and a few breaks here and there

if you look back at the season and see the critical calls at critical times that didn’t go our way or the dropped passes or the off target throws or the V Witten and zeke fumbles. not to mention pollards

every game is different every year is different next year can be a great one if they fix the D at all 3 levels
 

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I think bringing up “W/L record” for any QB is point blank stupid.

It was paraded around for Dak at the start of the season because up until this season Dak didn’t have comparable raw statistical totals to bring up against other starters in the league.

Of course, after this season the Dak Boyz have abandoned that course of action and are now trumpeting his passing yard total for 2019 as the end-all, be-all.

That’s just how it works.
You do realize that whether you like Dak or not.....there’s some truth on both sides of the argument. And Dak had solid stats on prior to this year. On par or better with quarterbacks in his class.
 

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This thread perfectly, and I mean perfectly, explains why the Cowboys fanbase is considered the most clueless in all of professional sports.

Fans that simply don't understand the game they are watching.
 

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You do realize that whether you like Dak or not.....there’s some truth on both sides of the argument. And Dak had solid stats on prior to this year. On par or better with quarterbacks in his class.

I’m not debating Romo vs. Dak.

I’m arguing the invalidity of QB “W/L record.”

There is no convincing argument of that particular statistic.
 

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Who’s arguing about that though? You brought up what the Dak boys brought up a season ago.

Who brought it up?

The entire premise of this thread is QB “W/L record” over a specific span of time; the QB names are listed next to the W/L columns.
 

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True. He’s no Bellicheat but I don’t think anyone ever thought he was.

Right but you have to bring innovation to the table each and every season. BB seems to be constantly changing something each season. These new young OCs bring fresh new looks that take a couple of seasons for DCs to figure out. JG struggled to figure out a way to help Chaz Green not give up 8 sacks in a game. He was too mentally stubborn to change and I'm not sure he even knew how to improve. Innovate or die applies perfectly to coaching in the NFL.
 

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Who brought it up?

The entire premise of this thread is QB “W/L record” over a specific span of time; the QB names are listed next to the W/L columns.
No, that’s not what the thread is about. It’s about no matter how good or bad the quarterback is....it means nothing if you lack the coaching. As you can see Cam is at the bottom and he’s actually been to a Super Bowl.
 

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Right but you have to bring innovation to the table each and every season. BB seems to be constantly changing something each season. These new young OCs bring fresh new looks that take a couple of seasons for DCs to figure out. JG struggled to figure out a way to help Chaz Green not give up 8 sacks in a game. He was too mentally stubborn to change and I'm not sure he even knew how to improve. Innovate or die applies perfectly to coaching in the NFL.
You’re right. He struggled with something as simple as watching Chaz Green get beat all game long. Insane.
 

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Completely different teams and different rules. So many factors not taken into account e.g. Romo played with some horrible defenses including historically one of the worst in the history of the NFL. His best o-line was in 2014 which Prescott has enjoyed throughout his tenure.

My gripe with Prescott was that last season someone like Brian Hoyer would have won the same eight games. Prescott was unable to carry the team and win any games over an entire season. He only had to do it once for us to win the division and make the play offs. He had more than enough talent around him and I'm not allowing the coaches to be blamed for every single loss - were they responsible for continually missing wide open receivers?

He wants to be paid like a QB that can carry a team to a few wins...well over an entire season he didn't do that.

If people are unable to understand such a basic point then God help you in life generally.
Nice little cheap insult. Not understanding why you would think it necessary, but I guess you got your little numnums aroarin', hey?

You ever thought that there is, in all likelihood, much more to the equation than the QB? If you can't understand such a basic point, you may need several gods to help you in life. Generally!
 

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I don't think anyone consciously expects QBs to be perfect all the time, but when the team loses, they turn to the mistakes the QBs made as reasons. I remember Romo being blamed for the loss to Denver because of a mistake he made in the 51-48 game.

Brady is definitely a perfect example of a really good quarterback being surrounded by what it takes to succeed. I don't think it's all due to Brady taking a home-team discount.

Of course not, a lot of it is because of great coaching but all you need to do is look at the teams playing in the bowl this year. They are not overly invested in QB. Because of that, they were able to build a good team. Pats did that for years. Look at all the FAs they were able to sign. They would never have been able to do that if they were using a huge percentage of their cap on Brady. That's just the truth.
 

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Against winning teams?

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Does this mean anything?
Yeah, it’s hard to win when you put up 48 but your rotten stinking putrid D gives up 51. That’s what it means.
 

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Yeah, it’s hard to win when you put up 48 but your rotten stinking putrid D gives up 51. That’s what it means.
That was 1 time. And in a high scoring affair, the goal is to have the ball last, with an opportunity to win the game. We were in that exact situation...48-48 tie, ball in hand, all we have to go do is score a FG on a defense we shredded all day to win the game. Instead we turn the ball over and allow Denver to kick the game winning FG.
 

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Terry Glenn? You mean for a half of season that Romo started in 06? How many games did Romo play with him in his career maybe 8 total? You’re forgetting Glenn missed the 07 season.
Glenn played 16 games in 2006, including the playoff loss at Seattle.

Romo played 2 playoff games with Glenn and Dallas lost them both.
 
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