25 years, let it go

visionary · Jan 26, 2020

Diehardblues said:
I criticized Garrett on numerous occasions over the years with his Game Day flaws and Puppetry. I truly thought he was the best Puppet we’ve had but not a great HC. You simply either haven’t read all of my post are just summarizing because I defended him on many fronts .

And why can’t I take on Fat Mikey. Everyone thinks he’s our Savior. It’s hilarious. Fans are so desperate for hope. lol

The more you talk the more you prove @CowboyRoy correct

:lmao:

CowboyRoy · Jan 26, 2020

visionary said:
The more you talk the more you prove @CowboyRoy correct

Diehardblues · Jan 26, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Obviously it wasn't hopeless as the VERY next coach Jerry hired MM and gave him the powers to hire his own staff.

ANOTHER BAD prediction you were dead wrong about.

I felt hopeless after 25 years and why I created the phrase. We’ll see how this all shakes out.

Diehardblues · Jan 26, 2020

visionary said:
The more you talk the more you prove @CowboyRoy correct

Jerry hired a legit HC after all of these years. Congratulations. Sorry if I’m not as excited. My hope has been exhausted after 25 years.

If he wants to hang his hat that after all these years Jerry made a better hire. Go ahead. I don’t care.

Sure didn’t look like it for a couple decades and why I argued against it.

nobody · Jan 26, 2020

Diehardblues said:
All I did was place the pressure to win now. Unless you think this hire was to build for the future?

Are fans simply going to be pleased with similar results because we have a better HC?

When the results come in more favorable then I’ll provide my accolades.

Fair enough, but it really all depends on how the Cowboys react to the new culture shift, if Jerry allows one.

nobody · Jan 26, 2020

408Cowboy said:

SMH

Diehardblues · Jan 26, 2020

DeathMonkey said:
Fair enough, but it really all depends on how the Cowboys react to the new culture shift, if Jerry allows one.

Ultimately the results will be measured well into next January.

In the end he needs more success than the last Puppet.

408Cowboy · Jan 26, 2020

DeathMonkey said:
SMH

I read your post to my 11 year old and she suggested I hit you with it again.

Rockport · Jan 26, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Jerry hired a legit HC after all of these years. Congratulations. Sorry if I’m not as excited. My hope has been exhausted after 25 years.

If he wants to hang his hat that after all these years Jerry made a better hire. Go ahead. I don’t care.

Sure didn’t look like it for a couple decades and why I argued against it.

It's called giving up. It's easy to do and takes a huge amount of intestinal fortitude not to.

Diehardblues · Jan 26, 2020

Rockport said:
It's called giving up. It's easy to do and takes a huge amount of intestinal fortitude not to.

I waved my white flag to Jerry years ago when I walked away from my season tickets after 4 decades.

It’s his show. The rest of us are fools feeding his selfish ways.

Im impressed he felt the public pressure again like with Bill but I wouldn’t get too excited yet.

Kwyn · Jan 26, 2020

Diehardblues said:
There is no erasing bad history. You can only begin new history.

Winning a championship now or in the future would be great with Jerry but we can never get the last 25 or whatever years back.

We are no doubt in a long dry spell since we had anything that could be considered major success

this got me thinking.

How frequently does a team need to win the Super Bowl before they can be considered a failure

There are obviously different tiers of failure

Current playoff appearance droughts

Browns - 17
Bucs - 12
Jets - 9

Years since last playoff win - 18 teams with a longer drought than the Cowboys. Seven other teams tied with the Cowboys at 1 year.

Here are some really long streaks

Bengals - 29
Lions - 28
Bills - 28

Years since last Conference Championship appearances

Bengals - 31
Commanders - 28
Lions - 28
Browns - 27
Dolphins - 27
Bills - 26
Cowboys - 24

Years since last NFL
Championship/Super Bowl appearance

Lions - 62
Jets - 51
Browns - 47
Vikings - 43
Dolphins - 35
Bengals - 31
Commanders - 28
Bills - 26
Jaguars - 25 (never)
Chargers - 25
Cowboys - 24

Years since a Super Bowl Win

Never won

Cardinals
Lions
Chargers
Titans
Bills
Vikings
Falcons
Bengals
Browns
Panthers
Jaguars
Texans

Last Super Bowl win

Jets - 51
Chiefs - 50
Dolphins - 46
Raiders - 36
Bears - 34
Commanders - 28
49ers - 25
Cowboys - 24

Old'Boyfan · Jan 26, 2020

Guardedly optimistic. MM was not my 1st choice but then I don't think Jerry would ever have hired my 1st choice, Urban Meyer. Just too strong a personality for Jerry to deal with.
That said I think MM might improve the team 1-2 wins a year over Garrett by just being Mike McCarthy. One thing I'm curious about though. Did McCarthy really want to keep K. Moore or was that a concession? Did Jerry make it a requirement or did McCarthy offer it to get the job? We'll probably never know for sure. To me it's significant. There's a hint of the old Wade Phillips/Jason Garrett scenario that I just can't dismiss.

Diehardblues · Jan 26, 2020

Kwyn said:
We are no doubt in a long dry spell since we had anything that could be considered major success

this got me thinking.

How frequently does a team need to win the Super Bowl before they can be considered a failure

There are obviously different tiers of failure

Current playoff appearance droughts

Browns - 17

Bucs - 12

Jets - 9

Years since last playoff win - 18 teams with a longer drought than the Cowboys. Seven other teams tied with the Cowboys at 1 year.

Here are some really long streaks

Bengals - 29

Lions - 28

Bills - 28

Years since last Conference Championship appearances

Bengals - 31

Commanders - 28

Lions - 28

Browns - 27

Dolphins - 27

Bills - 26

Cowboys - 24

Years since last NFL
Championship/Super Bowl appearance

Lions - 62

Jets - 51

Browns - 47

Vikings - 43

Dolphins - 35

Bengals - 31

Commanders - 28

Bills - 26

Jaguars - 25 (never)

Chargers - 25

Cowboys - 24

Years since a Super Bowl Win

Never won

Cardinals

Lions

Chargers

Titans

Bills

Vikings

Falcons

Bengals

Browns

Panthers

Jaguars

Texans

Last Super Bowl win

Jets - 51

Chiefs - 50

Dolphins - 46

Raiders - 36

Bears - 34

Commanders - 28

49ers - 25

Cowboys - 24

It’s not the number of years that’s a concern . It’s the obstacle .

And the Cowboys aren’t a failure just because they haven’t returned to glory. They have just become another mediocre football franchise. The rest don’t have to overcome an owner who’s determined to be a football guy though.

visionary · Jan 26, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Ultimately the results will be measured well into next January.

In the end he needs more success than the last Puppet.

MM will be “measured by results”

but Garrett was measured by “what can he do? He’s the best puppet we can have under Jerry so results don’t matter”

just stop it, you’re killing me

:lmao2:

Ranched · Jan 26, 2020

408Cowboy said:
@Rockport be like

That's brutal.

CowboysFaninHouston · Jan 26, 2020

CouchCoach said:
It's like some kind of a cross some drag around, a curse, the last 25 years of futility overshadows everything and becomes the response to optimism and positivity.

With not enough changes in coaching, I can buy the malaise that set in but this is almost an entirely new coaching staff and picked by the new HC.

There are signs of change already here with the GM, seemingly, granting this HC more room and that seemed to be the course he wanted by wanting only a NFL proven HC.

The NFL is a year to year thing, look at the Niners, they weren't picked to win their own division, let alone the conference.

There is nothing to carry forward. The players have a clean slate with the coaches and even if the guy you wanted didn't get picked, why pick on this guy? The man has proven he can coach and he had a year off to reflect and take a good hard look at what his part might have been in the breakdown in GB. A man out to prove something is a most serious man to watch,

Big Mike had no part of those past 25 years, except maybe to kick us out of the playoffs, so he comes in with no baggage.

Life is hard, me buckos, take happiness when it's available. Instead of expecting him to fail, expect him to succeed and let the performance be the proof. This team is more talented than 8-8, we know it and he knows it. Let's let this unfold and play out and maybe those 25 years just become a fading memory.

until we make it to the superbowl, nothing matters and its business as usual. Parcells started out the same way. hired his own coaches. ran the show and in two years Jerry was at it again...doing his meddling thing...so lets see what jerry does in 2 years...if he starts to meddle. if he still gives interviews. if he comes down to the field to talk tot he coaches and players...if he still running the draft and trying to choose a johnny manziel type of player.....

no. nothing has changed as far as I am concerned.....until we actually see it. talk is cheap.

Diehardblues · Jan 26, 2020

visionary said:
MM will be “measured by results”

but Garrett was measured by “what can he do? He’s the best puppet we can have under Jerry so results don’t matter”

just stop it, you’re killing me

Didn't have high expectations for a Puppet. Shoot, Jerry didn’t even want to replace him. It was hilarious.

Diehardblues · Jan 26, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
until we make it to the superbowl, nothing matters and its business as usual. Parcells started out the same way. hired his own coaches. ran the show and in two years Jerry was at it again...doing his meddling thing...so lets see what jerry does in 2 years...if he starts to meddle. if he still gives interviews. if he comes down to the field to talk tot he coaches and players...if he still running the draft and trying to choose a johnny manziel type of player.....

no. nothing has changed as far as I am concerned.....until we actually see it. talk is cheap.

I give Jerry credit for at least presenting the perception things are changing. Thanks to Troy and the media pressure.

He was forced into a corner. We all saw how miserable he was letting his perfect puppet go.

I always thought it’d take empty seats and a threat to his revenue but in the end it was his own calling him out. I’m still suspect things aren’t changing as much as we think.

408Cowboy · Jan 26, 2020

daboyzruleperiod said:
That's brutal.

I do what I can

Ranched · Jan 26, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
Parcells started out the same way. hired his own coaches. ran the show and in two years Jerry was at it again...doing his meddling thing...so lets see what jerry does in 2 years.

True.
Quick! Somebody tell Big Mac he only has 2 years.

25 years, let it go

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