Dallas Cowboys: A sobering two-deep defensive look before free agency

Ranched · Jan 26, 2020

rocyaice said:
~~Jesus~~.....Trysten Hill starting....omg.

Why he's still on this team is baffling. Look up laziness in Webster's and Hill's picture appears.

Ranched · Jan 26, 2020

CCBoy said:
How about starting a discussion without just using a decades old *****...

Lol. You know how it is CCB, some things just never change for certain posters.

ESisback · Jan 26, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
To each his own but just saying, this is exactly the approach this team has taken for years. If they continue to do that this time, with a new Coaching Staff, what has really changed. Be easy if that is what you want to do but you can't complain in you are complicit in acceptance of the problem. That's all I'm saying.

I’m complicit?!? I haven’t invested a nickel, they don’t consult me, I’m just an old ******* rooting for laundry. Also, I can complain whenever I want, considering the fact that my opinion is irrelevant to everyone except me!

My opinion is this...the Cowboys are gonna be very different in 2020, and I’m intrigued by the possibilities!

ESisback · Jan 26, 2020

daboyzruleperiod said:
Lol. You know how it is CCB, some things just never change for certain posters.

Ha! Ask AC how he feels about Dak!

RoboQB · Jan 26, 2020

daboyzruleperiod said:
Lol. You know how it is CCB, some things just never change for certain posters.

Any chance you would be so kind as to explain to me what was wrong
with the post you are referring to?

I'm not familiar with the phrase and can't understand what the issue is.
Apparently, this CCB member is refusing to enlighten anyone on the meaning.

Was there a post that was deleted?

Blackrain · Jan 27, 2020

ESisback said:
But we endure WHATEVER they like to avoid a big fight!

Nope too old to endure bought another TV and put it in another room . Wife and kids got theirs I got mine

Blackrain · Jan 27, 2020

Runwildboys said:
I'm absolutely baffled. What did he say that had anything to do with some decades old prejudice...and prejudice against what?

Im takin a stab at this Runny. CC was speaking on the depth of our defensive roster when using Skeleton , Woodson turned it to the decades old complaint of us not having beef up front to be able to stop the run with his skeletons comment .
CC took exception because his comment had nothing to do with the original subject of defensive roster depth just a dig at the defense .

Ok I tried but may be way off base

Runwildboys · Jan 27, 2020

Blackrain said:
Im takin a stab at this Runny. CC was speaking on the depth of our defensive roster when using Skeleton , Woodson turned it to the decades old complaint of us not having beef up front to be able to stop the run with his skeletons comment .
CC took exception because his comment had nothing to do with the original subject of defensive roster depth just a dig at the defense .

Ok I tried but may be way off base

Okay, well that's 100x better than I could have come up with! Lol

Still have no clue what he was saying to me...or why. :huh:

Rockport · Jan 27, 2020

CCBoy said:
Dallas Cowboys: A sobering two-deep defensive look before free agency
https://thelandryhat.com/2020/01/23/dallas-cowboys-defensive-two-deep-free-agency/

DEFENSIVE TWO-DEEP
Left Defensive End – DeMarcus Lawrence, Joe Jackson
Left Defensive Tackle – Trysten Hill, N/A
Right Defensive Tackle – Antwaun Woods, N/A
Right Defensive End – Dorance Armstrong, Joe Jackson
Strong Side Linebacker – Luke Gifford, Chris Covington
Middle Linebacker – Jaylon Smith, Chris Covington
Weak Side Linebacker – Leighton Vander Esch, Chris Covington
Left Corner – Chidobe Awuzie, Deante Burton
Right Corner – Jourdan Lewis, Deante Burton
Strong Safety – Donovan Wilson, N/A
Free Safety – Xavier Woods, N/A

SKELETON CREW ON DECK
Of course there will be multiple signings, re-signings, and draft additions to fill in the holes, but still … wow. Talk about a skeleton crew manning the deck guns.

Three defensive ends and two defensive tackles is scary seeing the 2019 Cowboys roster was carrying 10 players at those positions. Only two of the five remaining were significant factors on the latest defense. Linebacker has four players remaining with only two who played regularly. Covington took 28 defensive snaps and Gifford had zero. It’s worth mentioning Vander Esch will be coming off a concerning neck surgery. Only two starting corners remain while Burton recorded just three snaps. Safety is depleted down to one returning starter, Wilson with his 16 snaps, and zero depth...

The defense needs a lot of changes personnel wise. Trysten Hill has been a bust so far but you don’t give up on a 2nd rd pick after 1 year. If he has a chance of changing his mental outlook, then good coaching can make that happen. As for the rest of the defense, there are some good players to build around. DL, Jaylon, LVE. I think Luke Gifford is going to have an impact if he can stay healthy. He’s kinda small for a LB which is the same I said about Sean Lee when he was drafted. Anxious to see how Awuzie and Jourdan Lewis play with new coaching. No doubt though there are going to be many changes on the defensive side of the ball this year.

shabazz · Jan 27, 2020

CCBoy said:
Ring tap stereotype...carry on as usual.

Coded message solved;

It was around that time that jazz tap dance developed as a musical form parallel to jazz ... Jigging competitions featuring buck-and-wing dances, shuffling ring dances, and ... The step also refers to the minstrel stereotype of the old and shuffling ...

Blackrain · Jan 27, 2020

Runwildboys said:
Okay, well that's 100x better than I could have come up with! Lol

Still have no clue what he was saying to me...or why.

I really dont have a clue either just took a blind stab . Maybe he will clear this mystery up later or at least let me know how far off base I am LOL

jterrell · Jan 27, 2020

Mr_437 said:
Yeah the 2 deep is crap and some of the starters need to be replaced: #25, #24...#54, #55 might be injury concerns just to add to the situation.

All you hear is when Dak n Amari getting signed. This organization refuses to field a good defense. They have habitually neglected defense in favor of offense and that strategy has been fruitless. This season DAL had a top ranked offense, yet finished 8-8.

Offense is fine... actually they've gone overboard on offensive resources. Time to build a tough, nasty defense...it's past time.

drafthistory suggests you are very wrong.

2015:
R1. D
R2. D
R3. O

2016:
R1: O
R2: D
R3: D

2017:
R1: D
R2: D
R3: D

2018:
R1: D
R2: O
R3: O

2019:
R1: Trade for O
R2: D
R3 O

That's 9 out of 15 premium draft resources used on this defense.

They just haven't had the same luck they did on offense with Dak.
That'd be akin to finding a double digit sack guy in R4 and hasn't happened.

All that said, yes the offense is largely complete. You need a TE and then just to resign your own guys.
The defense is an overhaul but the key pieces are in place if they will actually play more aggressively.

ESisback · Jan 27, 2020

Wishful thinking? Well, YEAH....
At DT, resign Woods and Collins, develop Hill, sign FA Billings and draft one.
At DE, keep Lawrence, Quinn, Jackson, 1 draft, 1 FA
At LB, keep LVE, Jaylon, Thomas, and Gifford. One more year of Lee as depth, draft one.
At DB, move Awuzie to safety, keep Lewis, Woods, Heath, Brown, Olumba, draft 2, pick up a FA.

Coach up, stir.

Missed one or two, I’m not a GM, just an old doofus who can’t stand the thought of EIGHT FREAKIN’ MONTHS!

quickccc · Jan 27, 2020

DL:
- Quinn status and questionable return and re-signing will be the big matter to watch.
- Armstrong just has not displayed big time skills. Jackson totally in developmental stage.
- Would have figured seeing Hill in the right DT role (3 tech) .. than left DT (1 tech) .. vet or rookie, there’s gonna be a new competitor here vs Hill.

LBs
Luke has zero game experience and durability is now n question. Expect a re-signed Lee, Thomas or new vet FA here in SLB role.
Expect a couple more new contestants here for depth come camp time. I’d like to upgrade over useless March Lillard

DBs
- We’ll have someone competing vs Wilson who is another still an unknown with zero game experience
- Jordan is just not a starter material, imo – already having his issues with slot coverage
- Besides immediately replacing likely departed FA Byron,
yes, we need an immediate upgrade over Awuzie too, but will team decide to chance letting new coach staff to coach him vs immediately replacement ?

CCBoy · Jan 27, 2020

shabazz said:
Coded message solved;

It was around that time that jazz tap dance developed as a musical form parallel to jazz ... Jigging competitions featuring buck-and-wing dances, shuffling ring dances, and ... The step also refers to the minstrel stereotype of the old and shuffling ...

Just stick to the tip and get some soul...

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 27, 2020

ESisback said:
I’m complicit?!? I haven’t invested a nickel, they don’t consult me, I’m just an old ******* rooting for laundry. Also, I can complain whenever I want, considering the fact that my opinion is irrelevant to everyone except me!

My opinion is this...the Cowboys are gonna be very different in 2020, and I’m intrigued by the possibilities!

Yeah, if the status quo is OK with you and you, then I'd describe that as complicit but hey, if you don't like that term, thats fine.

If we are waiting to sign players or make moves that late into the Off Season, that's not much of a change. It's a bit of a status quo situation. Those things need to change in order for us to get better IMO. If you don't love how we've done things in the past, then this will not represent change. If you are OK with it, then expect more of the same things, regardless of regime change.

Mr_437 · Jan 27, 2020

jterrell said:
drafthistory suggests you are very wrong.

2015:
R1. D
R2. D
R3. O

2016:
R1: O
R2: D
R3: D

2017:
R1: D
R2: D
R3: D

2018:
R1: D
R2: O
R3: O

2019:
R1: Trade for O
R2: D
R3 O

That's 9 out of 15 premium draft resources used on this defense.

They just haven't had the same luck they did on offense with Dak.
That'd be akin to finding a double digit sack guy in R4 and hasn't happened.

All that said, yes the offense is largely complete. You need a TE and then just to resign your own guys.
The defense is an overhaul but the key pieces are in place if they will actually play more aggressively.

Players on 2020 roster making $3M or more:
Offense 6
Defense 4
After Dak n Amari sign that'll be 8/4. Also, it's not cool that #98 is making $9M, but I suspect he'll take a pay cut or be released outright.

Again, most of the resources are spent on the offensive side. Where's most of the money allocated offense or defense?

ScipioCowboy · Jan 27, 2020

I am sobered.

ESisback · Jan 27, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
Yeah, if the status quo is OK with you and you, then I'd describe that as complicit but hey, if you don't like that term, thats fine.

If we are waiting to sign players or make moves that late into the Off Season, that's not much of a change. It's a bit of a status quo situation. Those things need to change in order for us to get better IMO. If you don't love how we've done things in the past, then this will not represent change. If you are OK with
it, then expect more of the same things, regardless of regime change.

Complicit implies something’s wrong, like a mistake was knowingly made. Guilty by association. The only thing I expect is some people will remain consistently positive, while others will gravitate towards perpetual misery.

Optimistic folks can still have standards.

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 27, 2020

ESisback said:
Complicit implies something’s wrong, like a mistake was knowingly made. Guilty by association. The only thing I expect is some people will remain consistently positive, while others will gravitate towards perpetual misery.

Optimistic folks can still have standards.

Doing a thing in a way you know doesn't work would constitute "wrong" IMO. I mean, you can be positive while the house is burning down around you. You can say, well, at least I'm not going to have to worry about fixing the roof anymore but your still gonna end up burnt to a crisp. Yeah, you can be happy 24x7 but that doesn't mean it's right.

Further, I can't blame the fan base for taking a "Show Me" attitude. We've seen this before and we've heard this kind of talk form Jerry and Co. in the past. Proof is in the pudding. If you would rather believe it, that's OK with me but I don't blame on fan for not buying in. It's a Show Me thing for a lot of them.

No problem with that.

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