Did you guys know Romo though 09-16 won 15 games?

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OK. Well, I guess I'd ask who the last team was who one the Super Bowl with just a really good QB? I honestly don't know. I am a believer in cap management and team structure. Can you win a lot of ways in the NFL? Yes, you can. Can you win consistently and do the numbers show that it is the better way to do it or do you look at doing this in a more balanced, team oriented way? I believe the answer to each of those questions is No and absolutely, more balanced.
Philadelphia Eagles, the NY Giants, the Baltimore Ravens, the Denver Broncos (Manning was over the hill and ineffective. The defense won it for them) the Seattle Seahawks (Wilson wasn’t considered elite then. Lynch and the defense won it for them)..... How about runners ups? Carolina. Atlanta. SF with Kap. The Rams.... Need more?
 

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Philadelphia Eagles, the NY Giants, the Baltimore Ravens, the Denver Broncos (Manning was over the hill and ineffective. The defense won it for them) the Seattle Seahawks (Wilson wasn’t considered elite then. Lynch and the defense won it for them)..... How about runners ups? Carolina. Atlanta. SF with Kap. The Rams.... Need more?

Of you, no. I don't even think you understand what is being discussed here.
 

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I think there’s a argument to be made. Like if Garrett had Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees would he only have one playoff win?

On the other hand, if Romo or Dak for that matter had Belichick, Sean Payton, Shannahan, Tomlin, Reid, Harbaugh or other top coaches would he only have 2 playoff wins? It goes both ways.
Look at it this way, if the niners had Garrett this season and the Cowboys had Shannahan what would their records look like? Coaching matters and Garrett sucks
 

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I don’t disagree about the concept of wins. I think the quarterback effects them more than any other position on the team but at the same time you can lose with great qb play. See Dak in the Vikings game last year.
Agree
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On the other hand, if Romo or Dak for that matter had Belichick, Sean Payton, Shannahan, Tomlin, Reid, Harbaugh or other top coaches would he only have 2 playoff wins? It goes both ways.
Look at it this way, if the niners had Garrett this season and the Cowboys had Shannahan what would their records look like? Coaching matters and Garrett sucks
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On the other hand, if Romo or Dak for that matter had Belichick, Sean Payton, Shannahan, Tomlin, Reid, Harbaugh or other top coaches would he only have 2 playoff wins? It goes both ways.
Look at it this way, if the niners had Garrett this season and the Cowboys had Shannahan what would their records look like? Coaching matters and Garrett sucks
Oh I agree 100 percent. It goes both ways. I’m not sure how good of a coach Shanahan is but I know he’s better than Garrett. He’s shown me that in 2 years already.
 

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You claimed to not know SB winners that had ok quarterbacks. I provided a list with SB contenders included.

No, I said that I didn't know who the last Top QB in the league with a huge Contract was that won the Super Bowl. You posted just the opposite.

Now, to be fair, I did say "Just a really good QB" as in a Rodgers or Wilson etc. However, I can see where you might have thought just OK but that is not what I said.
 

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Nepotism and poor timing is why we didn't win anything with dak on a cheap contract. Romo cost us over 20m in dead money. This team refused to separate from expensive jags, witten, lee, ty craw, and actually invest in free agency positions of need. That is why the teams that have a cheap qb and spend a bunch of $$ in FA start to do well. Look at the chiefs and what they did in the offseason. The romo and dez contract killed our ability to capitalize on a cheap QB.
 

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Your part about 'running QB' has me concerned.

This shoulder injury seems to have been around since college.

So it's something to be aware of. I think the team knew about this but never made it known.

Therefore all the emphasis on shifting Dak to pocket passing more and over-use of the shotgun for Dak was all about protecting him.

I now understand this better as time has passed.

If you see what happened to Mahomes and Jackson with their injuries it just underlines things.

The WCO should help Dak.

But it's another learning curve for Dak.

He is a better, smarter player now.

We hope and we cross fingers.

This is an unproven staff now as a new group.

If Dak's *throwing shoulder* is considered a chronic injury risk, there is *no way* we should extend him to the kind of money they're talking about.

First, that shoulder can be hurt in the pocket just as much as running.

Second, Dak is not a pocket passer. If we have to play him like one, he just isn't nearly as valuable.
 

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I do wonder I’d Dak not using his feet more is a Garrett thing a Moore thing or a Dak thing I guess we will know more in 2020

it seemed to me the cowboys stubbornly ran against defenses the should have passed more on and visa versa

Me too on all.
 

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No, I said that I didn't know who the last Top QB in the league with a huge Contract was that won the Super Bowl. You posted just the opposite.

Now, to be fair, I did say "Just a really good QB" as in a Rodgers or Wilson etc. However, I can see where you might have thought just OK but that is not what I said.
Ok. That’s fair. But my statement is factual and proves that most quarterbacks are deemed elite after winning championships. More GOOd quarterbacks win rings than the so called elite ones.
 

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Nepotism and poor timing is why we didn't win anything with dak on a cheap contract. Romo cost us over 20m in dead money. This team refused to separate from expensive jags, witten, lee, ty craw, and actually invest in free agency positions of need. That is why the teams that have a cheap qb and spend a bunch of $$ in FA start to do well. Look at the chiefs and what they did in the offseason. The romo and dez contract killed our ability to capitalize on a cheap QB.
All are facts.
 

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Why are you people so upset with Dak, while praising Romo for almost mirrored performances? What’s really behind the angst?

Who's upset with Dak? Dak is Romo at this point of time. A good Quaterback that was being wasted by the System that Jerrah has going here. The whole bringing up the Clutch thing has to do with people who were praising Dak at the expense of Romo saying that Dak is Clutch and Romo was not. Now Dak has been brought down to being Human again, and isn't anymore Clutch than Romo given this season, where we lost against the good teams. Dak has proven himself to be good by the improvements in his game he has made, but he has also proven himself to be human. The great thing is that Dak supposedly has someone better than a puppet coach now to help improve him. I mean this is sort of what happens when people make bold claims saying one player is clutch while the other is not, and then saying that, that player is a leader of men while the other player is not, and then what many of us expected to happen happens, that being the system in place here, with the head coach and the front office, the way the club is run, leads to a good quarterback wasting away here.
 

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What the????? Dak didn’t come in with The Tuna as his head coach. Dak didn’t have Witten and TO in their primes. What are you talking about? The only thing you could give Dak the nod with is Zeke. But Marion Barber and Murray weren’t far behind in terms of production. You people need to stop. It’s sickening.
I was on board with you until you inserted the “Tean Dak inherited” bs. That’s just another way to belittle Dak.

Sorry the Barbarian never had a 1000 yard season. I mean I love the guy, but to say he is not far off from Zeke... Murray is another story, but unfortunately like Romo he was a bit fragile so the production was consistent every season. Also Romo had The Tuna early on his career, and then he left. He would've been a better QB if he had stayed instead of getting Wade, Garrett afterwards. Zeke on the other hand started with Garrett, but now has the supposed good coach. I rather get the good coach when Dak is getting him, than to have him for a little at the beginning and then leave right before the good season of 2007 when coaching could be paramount in the playoffs. Well I always feel talent can get you to the playoffs, but good coaching is needed in the playoffs to beat the good teams.
 

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Sorry the Barbarian never had a 1000 yard season. I mean I love the guy, but to say he is not far off from Zeke... Murray is another story, but unfortunately like Romo he was a bit fragile so the production was consistent every season. Also Romo had The Tuna early on his career, and then he left. He would've been a better QB if he had stayed instead of getting Wade, Garrett afterwards. Zeke on the other hand started with Garrett, but now has the supposed good coach. I rather get the good coach when Dak is getting him, than to have him for a little at the beginning and then leave right before the good season of 2007 when coaching could be paramount in the playoffs. Well I always feel talent can get you to the playoffs, but good coaching is needed in the playoffs to beat the good teams.
We would have had Parcells longer if Romo could have held on to a fg snap. Or Witten who's allergic to yac couldn't get a half yard against a smaller player. 2006 loss is one of the worst losses in this franchises history.
 

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Glenn played 16 games in 2006, including the playoff loss at Seattle.

Romo played 2 playoff games with Glenn and Dallas lost them both.


Romo wasn’t the starter until what week 7 in 2006? The second playoff loss Glenn missed the entire year and then came back for that 1 game were he was a shell of himself. Your acting like Romo had all this time with a prime Terry Glenn you are completely mistaking.
 

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Romo wasn’t the starter until what week 7 in 2006? The second playoff loss Glenn missed the entire year and then came back for that 1 game were he was a shell of himself. Your acting like Romo had all this time with a prime Terry Glenn you are completely mistaking.
Romo had a Hall Of Fame WR in TO and a Hall of Fame TE in Witten. Stop with the BS excuses
 

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Romo had a Hall Of Fame WR in TO and a Hall of Fame TE in Witten. Stop with the BS excuses


What excuse am I giving? Go back and read my posts. I’m just correcting the fact that he didn’t play much with Terry Glenn. But I do firmly believe Jason Garrett has been a huge factor in holding this franchise back and he was a big part of Romo’s career.
 
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