Twitter: This shows what’s wrong with Jaylon

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Really not getting this BS on Jaylon, he was 6th in the NFL in tackles. Overall defense played poorly and yes at times including Jaylon. I hope to see him and the rest step it up under Nolan.
 

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I put the majority of the defenses problems (including Jaylon's) on Marinelli/Richard. Jaylon is best when he is attacking. He didn't do that at all this year. He was constantly moving backwards, which tells me it is the scheme. If people are going to dog Jaylon for his poor play, then they need to include LVE (who was much worse) and the entire scheme that they were using.
 

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I put the majority of the defenses problems (including Jaylon's) on Marinelli/Richard. Jaylon is best when he is attacking. He didn't do that at all this year. He was constantly moving backwards, which tells me it is the scheme. If people are going to dog Jaylon for his poor play, then they need to include LVE (who was much worse) and the entire scheme that they were using.

You mean the same scheme he played in 2018?
 

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I don't think he's a total fraud. Last year, he played really well. This year, he stunk. He's got weaknesses in his game, for sure, but I think our D coaches really crapped the bed, especially when you consider LVE was also playing terribly before getting hurt.

I'm willing to give him another year to see which Jaylon we get. And that has nothing to do with his story. It's because I've seen him make plays--sacks, FF, TFL etc--and that tells me he's got some major positives as a player.
I have that same HOPE. BUT....he did things on the field this year that have NOTHING to do with coaching. He did things that simply do not happen on a football field at the NFL level. And it's not a one off....he CONSISTENTLY did things that do not belong on a NFL field.

If he does not repeat them next year....then he played injured all last year....or the Cowboys coaching staff is an embarrassment to the profession.

If he repeats them...then he is damaged goods that pulled a Same Bowie on the Dallas Cowboys. And if you don't know what Sam Bowie did...go read his account on how he hid his injury from the Portland Trailblazers....and tricked them into drafting him in front of Micheal Jordan!
 

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I watched this guy almost every single defensive snap. This video is his season in a nut shell. He made Cowboys football almost unwatchable.
So did I. This is why I know the people defending him did NOT watch him play. They watched the END of plays...which is generally when he showed up. Anyone who WATCHED him play....and defend him....are as big a reason as Jerry for the last 25 years!
 

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He might break Larry's bench press record but the fact that he can not even take on a tackling back with power is most definitely a concern. His leg is not right. It has never been right. His play last year was just as bad if not worse than his second year when pretty much everyone agreed that he was a liability but he was getting a free pass because of the come back story. Well folks the come back is over. He was paid top MLB money and look where we are. This is 100% Jerry Jones. No other GM can get away with this kind of thing. He cost us a second round pick that was bad. He is costing big salary cap space that is bad. Now he is killing us on the field and absolutely nothing comes of it. Unbelievable.
This X 1000. And if the new staff cannot take him off the field...the Mike McCarthy regime will end the same way all the regimes post Jimmy Johnson have ended. If he plays like this in training camp and pre-season...and retains his starting spot....we will know Jerry is STILL calling the shots!
 

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Watch how heywood blasts through those bags and Jaylon is struggling with one. He doesn’t have any power.

Watch it and tell me I’m wrong.


Are we to base this observation on just a quick snippet of Jaylon with the bag?

What it looked like to me is that Smith actually went into it too low, like he would tackle a running back. Heywood attacked it high to get the chain moving then switched to a driving position to keep it moving. Smith hitting the bag lower just lifted up the bag, but didn't get it moving so he was left trying to pull it to start it moving with it essentially on his shoulders. Just poor technique for the task, which isn't anything like tackling a player. (If you hit a player who is up in the air like that, he isn't holding on to something above him.)
 

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Really not getting this BS on Jaylon, he was 6th in the NFL in tackles. Overall defense played poorly and yes at times including Jaylon. I hope to see him and the rest step it up under Nolan.

Tackles are a pretty shoddy way to evaluate a LB. Like judging CBs by interceptions. Or DEs by simply sacks.

Smith had a so-so year IMO. He definitely, at times, looked crappy out there. Now I think the criticisms of him by some are over the top and weird and bizarre but the reality is, he was not nearly as good in 2019 and he was in 2018.

However, none of the LBs really played that well including LVE, who appears to be the fan favorite of those that rip Smith. So I wonder how much did scheme, coaching and defensive issues overall affect LB play overall?
 

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Tackles are a pretty shoddy way to evaluate a LB. Like judging CBs by interceptions. Or DEs by simply sacks.

Smith had a so-so year IMO. He definitely, at times, looked crappy out there. Now I think the criticisms of him by some are over the top and weird and bizarre but the reality is, he was not nearly as good in 2019 and he was in 2018.

However, none of the LBs really played that well including LVE, who appears to be the fan favorite of those that rip Smith. So I wonder how much did scheme, coaching and defensive issues overall affect LB play overall?

I don't think they had a great season and I think play of DT plays into it, as they allowed OL to get to that 2nd level. Normally if you can keep your LB clean and allowed to flow to the ball it becomes a lot easier to make the plays.
 

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Are we to base this observation on just a quick snippet of Jaylon with the bag?

What it looked like to me is that Smith actually went into it too low, like he would tackle a running back. Heywood attacked it high to get the chain moving then switched to a driving position to keep it moving. Smith hitting the bag lower just lifted up the bag, but didn't get it moving so he was left trying to pull it to start it moving with it essentially on his shoulders. Just poor technique for the task, which isn't anything like tackling a player. (If you hit a player who is up in the air like that, he isn't holding on to something above him.)
Lets say that is the case. He is a MLBer...who has to be able to tackle in space...and you are saying a DL...who works in a phone booth....used BETTER technique than our MLB? Because if you are a MLB...who is supposed to go low....but the runner....is already low...you would need to adjust your approach on the fly. Right? Aggressive pursuit...then breaking down as you reach the runner...to make any adjustments you need based on the runners positioning....is a REQUIREMENT of a MLBer.

At the end of the day...we are all Cowboys fans. I WANT him to succeed. But the excuses for this guy never end. I want to be WRONG about him...but he seems like a gigantic bust to me.
 

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Lets say that is the case. He is a MLBer...who has to be able to tackle in space...and you are saying a DL...who works in a phone booth....used BETTER technique than our MLB? Because if you are a MLB...who is supposed to go low....but the runner....is already low...you would need to adjust your approach on the fly. Right? Aggressive pursuit...then breaking down as you reach the runner...to make any adjustments you need based on the runners positioning....is a REQUIREMENT of a MLBer.

At the end of the day...we are all Cowboys fans. I WANT him to succeed. But the excuses for this guy never end. I want to be WRONG about him...but he seems like a gigantic bust to me.
Who cares how he did in an obstacle course??? I guess we can just go ahead and say Jarvis Landry is a better QB than Lamar Jackson after what happened there right?
 
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Lets say that is the case. He is a MLBer...who has to be able to tackle in space...and you are saying a DL...who works in a phone booth....used BETTER technique than our MLB? Because if you are a MLB...who is supposed to go low....but the runner....is already low...you would need to adjust your approach on the fly. Right? Aggressive pursuit...then breaking down as you reach the runner...to make any adjustments you need based on the runners positioning....is a REQUIREMENT of a MLBer.

At the end of the day...we are all Cowboys fans. I WANT him to succeed. But the excuses for this guy never end. I want to be WRONG about him...but he seems like a gigantic bust to me.

It's really silly to look at this clip of players trying to drive a heavy bag on a chain and draw any conclusions from it. It has no bearing on tackling during a game, so there's really no need for excuses.

I'm just offering my observations from the little bit that we can see. In a game, you don't tackle high because a running back will put his helmet into your chest and drive you back. You get your pads lower than his so you can win the leverage battle. There is never a situation where you tackle a player who is in the air but chained to an obstacle, so what form they used isn't really relevant to real life.

Jaylon went lower in this task which allowed him to drive the bottom of the bag up, but all that did was leave the bag on his shoulder without getting it moving at the top. His form would have worked well if he was tackling the bag. The other player hit the bag near the top, which caused it to start moving, then shifted to a driving position. I don't even know if he did that on purpose or it just happened to be how he hit the bag.

Anyone looking at this to draw any conclusions other than Jaylon didn't know the best way to drive a bag on a chain or perhaps underestimated how hard it would be is looking too deep for a reason to criticize him.
 

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Who cares how he did in an obstacle course??? I guess we can just go ahead and say Jarvis Landry is a better QB than Lamar Jackson after what happened there right?
There is a LOT that goes into being a QB...so no....something like this would not be a good indicator of QB play. But something as basic as hitting the bag and driving it.....that is a simple drill to indicate whether or not you can make contact and drive with your legs. All it did was CONFIRM what a lot of have felt based on what we see on Sundays. And it actually should convince a lot of you all that cannot see it. People say get him some space eaters so he can stay clean and attack. Well....the bag had ZERO traffic around it...the area was COMPLETELY clean....he hit it and got stonewalled. Now does that say anything about his ability to make calls....or diagnose a play? No! But it does give us a good indicator of his "strength". From what I have observed...his brakes are almost shot...which is why he is constantly overrunning plays. For those of us that once played sports (high school or college)...we know what it is like as you age and discover that landing when jumping becomes an adventure. And stopping once you reach full speed is a process. This is due to loss of cushion between joints.

Like I said...I hope we hear Jaylon has been playing with an injury all season...and is having a procedure this off-season. Because if this is who he is....changing schemes will not matter.
 
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