How would you feel about Henry Ruggs at 17?

CATCH17 · Jan 28, 2020

What do you see his overall potential as? Potentially a #1? Tyreek Hill type?

I think if all of the players we like are off the board then he is on my short list of players I would draft.

If we keep Cooper and we get back to running the ball like we used to then the matchups Ruggs would get with the speed he has would put a huge amount of pressure on defenses to defend.

I'm sure Jeudy and Lamb will be long gone by 17.

I question how much of an impact the DE's Espenesa Iowa and the Penn State guy will have at the next level.

I don't think Dallas would take Ruggs. I think they'll let Byron walk and take a corner over a lot of these other guys anyways.

Sydla · Jan 28, 2020

CATCH17 said:
What do you see his overall potential as? Potentially a #1? Tyreek Hill type?

I think if all of the players we like are off the board then he is on my short list of players I would draft.

If we keep Cooper and we get back to running the ball like we used to then the matchups Ruggs would get with the speed he has would put a huge amount of pressure on defenses to defend.

I'm sure Jeudy and Lamb will be long gone by 17.

I question how much of an impact the DE's Espenesa Iowa and the Penn State guy will have at the next level.

I don't think Dallas would take Ruggs. I think they'll let Byron walk and take a corner over a lot of these other guys anyways.

I just did a mock and the exact same dilemma unfolded on the simulator. Ruggs was there along with Espenesa and the Matos kid from PSU on the board along with Delpit. I took Ruggs. Kinlaw went early, inside the Top 10.

I think it was Future who said yesterday and might be true, the best player at 17 might be a WR if Kinlaw is off the board early.

CATCH17 · Jan 28, 2020

Sydla said:
I just did a mock and the exact same dilemma unfolded on the simulator. Ruggs was there along with Espenesa and the Matos kid from PSU on the board along with Delpit. I took Ruggs. Kinlaw went early, inside the Top 10.

I think it was Future who said yesterday and might be true, the best player at 17 might be a WR if Kinlaw is off the board early.

Yeah.. There is just so many quality receivers in this draft and we're kind of locked into Cooper and Gallup for awhile most likely.

I don't think Ruggs could ever validate the investment but that speed and the matchups he would get could be a heck of a weapon for us.

Do you think Ruggs has the potential to be a true #1 WR?

Also, was the Louisville offensive tackle on the board?

I struggle with evaluating D Ends who have that Joey Bosa look to them coming out of college. The athleticism just isn't that great so i'm not great at evaluating how that will translate with guys like them.

To me Taco, Greg Ellis, and Joey Bosa all kind of look the same and you never know which one you will get when you draft a Espenesa or Matos type.

JIMMYBUFFETT · Jan 28, 2020

Great. He's a home run hitter similar to Hill but a little bigger and is a fantastic route runner. I've had him in several of my mocks because he's almost always the best player still on the board at 17. He's a guy I can see moving up to the 12-15 spot after he tests at the combine. He's going to be track fast.

cnuball21 · Jan 28, 2020

I would feel sick...we have holes everywhere on defense and WR is one of the strongest units on the teams (if we sign Cooper).

Sydla · Jan 28, 2020

cnuball21 said:
I would feel sick...we have holes everywhere on defense and WR is one of the strongest units on the teams (if we sign Cooper).

That's an overstatement. You need more than 2 WRs. If you let Cobb walk, you have two WRs and a bunch of JAGs left. Ruggs would make sense then at 17.

A lot will depend on what they do with Cooper and Cobb in FA.

The other point here is that while defense will have needs, you shouldn't force a pick at 17 just for defense. If WR is the best player on the board at that spot and you can use a WR, you take the WR. You don't take a DE or CB that isn't as highly rated as other players on the board.

That logic is how you end up with Taco Charlton.

DFWJC · Jan 28, 2020

If Cooper walks and we free the $ up for improving defense?
Yes

If Cooper stays?
No. Use the 1st rounder elsewhere, assuming the value is there

Carson · Jan 28, 2020

I just can’t spend a 1 on a WR.

Lock up Cooper, Gallup will be due in a few years and resign Cobb to a nice two year deal.

We need to invest elsewhere.

CATCH17 · Jan 28, 2020

cnuball21 said:
I would feel sick...we have holes everywhere on defense and WR is one of the strongest units on the teams (if we sign Cooper).

I agree about the holes on the team but if you get into a mindset of drafting for holes on the team then you end up with Taco Charltons and Trysten Hill's.

Every team drafts for need but sometimes you have to look past that and if Zeke is Zeke again then just having Cooper, Gallup, and Ruggs on the field would be so difficult for the defense to match up without giving up a big play downfield or Zeke just running all over you.

Look at it as potentially adding Tyreek Hill to an offense where defenses have to focus on the run. That's the type of speed and talent we're talking about here. Rare.

CATCH17 · Jan 28, 2020

DFWJC said:
If Cooper walks and we free the $ up for improving defense?
Yes

If Cooper stays?
No. Use the 1st rounder elsewhere, assuming the value is there

If Cooper walks then Lamb or Jeudy become a must if we keep Dak. I would go Jeudy for Dak because Dak likes his great route runner types.

Since 2018 the team goes as Amari Cooper goes and that goes double for Dak.

Future · Jan 28, 2020

LOVE IT lol

I don't really think it's a given than Jeudy AND Lamb are gone though.

Future · Jan 28, 2020

Sydla said:
I just did a mock and the exact same dilemma unfolded on the simulator. Ruggs was there along with Espenesa and the Matos kid from PSU on the board along with Delpit. I took Ruggs. Kinlaw went early, inside the Top 10.

I think it was Future who said yesterday and might be true, the best player at 17 might be a WR if Kinlaw is off the board early.

Yep. I like Ruggs there, he's an absolutely perfect compliment to Gallup/Cooper, with his deep speed.

There are a few WRs, depending on how things fall, that I think give value at 17. My favorite is Jalen Reagor. He's the Tyreek Hill clone and I think he can be a little bit more dangerous than Ruggs b/c of how dangerous he is with the ball in his hands. Good as Cooper/Gallup is as a 1-2 combo, neither of them is going to take a screen, make a man miss, and turn it into a huge gain on their own. Reagor gives you that type of plamaking.

Creeper · Jan 28, 2020

I need to see how he tests at the combine. If he run sub 4.35 then I would definitely consider him. The Cowboys can use that kind of speed on offense. It changes everything when a guy like that is in the game.

But I also worry about the defense - a lot. Until they get through free agency and I see who they have playing on the DL I am unwilling to let go of the idea they must go defense in round 1 no matter what.

Sydla · Jan 28, 2020

Future said:
Yep. I like Ruggs there, he's an absolutely perfect compliment to Gallup/Cooper, with his deep speed.

There are a few WRs, depending on how things fall, that I think give value at 17. My favorite is Jalen Reagor. He's the Tyreek Hill clone and I think he can be a little bit more dangerous than Ruggs b/c of how dangerous he is with the ball in his hands. Good as Cooper/Gallup is as a 1-2 combo, neither of them is going to take a screen, make a man miss, and turn it into a huge gain on their own. Reagor gives you that type of plamaking.

Reagor at 17 seems rich for my blood. Although I have seen some mocks with him in the 20s, so I guess it wouldn't be that big a reach.

Future · Jan 28, 2020

Sydla said:
Reagor at 17 seems rich for my blood. Although I have seen some mocks with him in the 20s, so I guess it wouldn't be that big a reach.

Idk, maybe a little bit, but I think there are teams that are going to rank Reagor higher than Ruggs (in general, I think Ruggs is overrated).

Ideally, they trade down and then grab Reagor, but I'd rather reach for a guy you like that has a high ceiling than settle for a lower-ceiling player just b/c they're more projected at that spot.

America's Cowboy · Jan 28, 2020

Picking a WR like Henry Ruggs III (6'0", 190 lbs) based solely on his speed (4.25 40 yd dash) is a luxury similar to having a veteran super fast WR like Tavon Austin, but those types of receivers are not used that much, hence Ruggs never caught for more than 746 yards in a collegiate season. Sure a WR with such speed can supposedly help spread defenses open for other WRs by consistently going deep, but how often will they get the ball in their hands? Why use a 1st round pick on such a WR that very likely is seldom is going to receive the ball?

If we're going to draft a super fast WR for such limited opportunities, why not wait until the 3rd or 4th round and pick someone like Baylor's WR Jalon Reagor (5'11", 195 lbs, 4.29 40 yd dash) instead? He could do the same things Ruggs III can but cost much less. More bang for the buck. Also, Reagor has shown he can catch for over 1,000 yards in a season.

If we truly are willing to use our 1st round pick on a WR, I say trade down several picks (pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder) and use it on a playmaker who has size, speed, quickness, hands, ability, determination and outright plays with anger whenever he is on the field. Colorado WR Laviska Shenault Jr. (6'2", 220 lbs, upper 4.3s 40 yd dash).

CATCH17 · Jan 28, 2020

America's Cowboy said:
Picking a WR like Henry Ruggs III (6'0", 190 lbs) based solely on his speed (4.25 40 yd dash) is a luxury similar to having a veteran super fast WR like Tavon Austin, but those types of receivers are not used that much, hence Ruggs never caught for more than 746 yards in a collegiate season. Sure a WR with such speed can supposedly help spread defenses open for other WRs by consistently going deep, but how often will they get the ball in their hands? Why use a 1st round pick on such a WR that very likely is seldom is going to receive the ball?

If we're going to draft a super fast WR for such limited opportunities, why not wait until the 3rd or 4th round and pick someone like Baylor's WR Jalon Reagor (5'11", 195 lbs, 4.29 40 yd dash) instead? He could do the same things Ruggs III can but cost much less. More bang for the buck. Also, Reagor has shown he can catch for over 1,000 yards in a season.

If we truly are willing to use our 1st round pick on a WR, I say trade down several picks (pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder) and use it on a playmaker who has size, speed, quickness, hands, ability, determination and outright plays with anger whenever he is on the field. Colorado WR Laviska Shenault Jr. (6'2", 220 lbs, upper 4.3s 40 yd dash).

I don't like your argument of one guy going for a 1000 yards and the other going for 750.

We draft on potential upside and value.

I'm all for Reagor > Ruggs if you're telling me he is better value with similar talent but one guy plays in the SEC and the other plays in a conference thats never heard of defense.

America's Cowboy · Jan 28, 2020

CATCH17 said:
I don't like your argument of one guy going for a 1000 yards and the other going for 750.

We draft on potential upside and value.

I'm all for Reagor > Ruggs if you're telling me he is better value with similar talent but one guy plays in the SEC and the other plays in a conference thats never heard of defense.

The Big 12 has never heard of defense? It's very obvious you don't know what you are talking about.

https://www-tulsaworld-com.cdn.ampp...ion_ea42aff8-2a36-555b-8002-eb00daaf0a3e.html

Future · Jan 28, 2020

CATCH17 said:
I'm all for Reagor > Ruggs if you're telling me he is better value with similar talent but one guy plays in the SEC and the other plays in a conference thats never heard of defense.

Well, if we're going to start playing this game - Reagor had horrible quarterback play, too. If he had Tua, or even Jones, he might have had 2,000 yards lol.

I think Reagor is a much better prospect than Ruggs, but it's not because of production, it's the way he gets it.
Speed, contested catch, elusiveness.

John813 · Jan 28, 2020

If Cooper gets tagged then I wouldn't mind a guy like Ruggs in round 1.

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