Did you guys know Romo though 09-16 won 15 games?

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 27, 2020

LocoBates said:
That both QBs have the same number of PO wins and SB rings. If both have achieved the same 0 SB wins, shouldn't the same positive or negative be shared equally? if 0 = 0 why one would get it and not the other?
although you mention TEAM on the 23rd page, earlier on the thread you mentioned your disagreement on how people criticize Dakota for not being able to beat winning teams this season, yet people forget about the stat you posted, thus effectively making this a QB comparison (hence my comment about the equal results for both QBs).

TEAM and learn from our mistakes (got it - check)

Funny, but don't tell us, tell Dakota, he is the one that wants to be the best player paid ever in the NFL. He doesn't want to take a lower contract to allow the FO to address other TEAM needs. It seems as if everybody but Dakota knew how much he needs that TEAM in order to put some descent games.

Not long ago the 1st excuse was that #4 needs his RB back (Zeke suspension), Second was then #4 needed receivers (fire Dez give 1st round pick for Coop),then OC sucks (Fire SL promote Moore the genius that later in the season sucked and got figured) latest one was #4 needs a new coach (fire Garret, hire a GB fired MC), now he wants to be the best QB ever payed in NFL, pending to fulfill his latest request everything has been served in silver plate, yet no playoffs or SB ring, I know only time will tell.... but honestly I can't think what the next excuse will be, maybe that "playing tagged distracted him all season not allowing him to focus on accuracy"? the only sure thing is that J Jones will not base his decision on a TEAM and he will repeat his own mistakes over and over again so most likely the QB will get what he wants... at the expense of the TEAM.

What's your other username on this site? Let's get that stated before I even reply to this.

LocoBates · Jan 27, 2020

keysersoze said:
When people have been raised a certain way they only see things that excuse their way of thinking or berate and disrespect what they oppose. It’s a sickness bro. Deep rooted with ignorance. This Lame fails to realize that vast improvement can take place within the next few years and Dak may wind up with the better team resume and possibly a championship. He has 6 more seasons before it’s his tenth and regardless to what these yeehaws say, Dak can end up quarterbacking a championship team. Only time will tell.

Your double standard is indeed disrespectful. Scroll up and see how you (disrespect what they oppose) called Clowns those who don't share the same opinion of yours. And may I remind you that no one has 6 years of their life guaranteed, not Tomorrow, not even the next hour, so to assume that x player will win x future games means nothing until it happens. Only time will tell.

keysersoze · Jan 27, 2020

LocoBates said:
Your double standard is indeed disrespectful. Scroll up and see how you (disrespect what they oppose) called Clowns those who don't share the same opinion of yours. And may I remind you that no one has 6 years of their life guaranteed, not Tomorrow, not even the next hour, so to assume that x player will win x future games means nothing until it happens. Only time will tell.

I didn’t ASSUME anything. I said he had 6 years left before being a 10 year vet and it could happen. Is that a false statement? The way you and others post here it’s obvious you want him to fail. Why?

LocoBates · Jan 28, 2020

rocyaice said:
What's your other username on this site? Let's get that stated before I even reply to this.

Hey Rocy, this is my only username, I apologize if this bursts the conspiracy bubble, I have no other user name. I usually visit and read, but I took note on your post so I decided to write. I am sorry if this bothers you.

Peace

LocoBates · Jan 28, 2020

keysersoze said:
I didn’t ASSUME anything. I said he had 6 years left before being a 10 year vet and it could happen. Is that a false statement? The way you and others post here it’s obvious you want him to fail. Why?

Nope, not false, last time I checked 10-6 =4. I don't want him to fail, it is just that I know what I see and I don't buy hype. There are some on this forum who have an extreme over the top fan love for Dakota, and that is fine until they start trying to convince others that he is the second coming (i.e. Blaming the HC for bad throws, inaccuracy, etc) . The same can be said for those on the other extreme over the top non-sense critics normally labeled as haters (Blaming Dakota for Maher missing FG... or even for Maher making FGs) . Neither side is good

keysersoze · Jan 28, 2020

LocoBates said:
Nope, not false, last time I checked 10-6 =4. I don't want him to fail, it is just that I know what I see and I don't buy hype. There are some on this forum who have an extreme over the top fan love for Dakota, and that is fine until they start trying to convince others that he is the second coming (i.e. Blaming the HC for bad throws, inaccuracy, etc) . The same can be said for those on the other extreme over the top non-sense critics normally labeled as haters (Blaming Dakota for Maher missing FG... or even for Maher making FGs) . Neither side is good

Well this particular post is about the hypocrisy and unfair comparisons between Dak and Romo. What the op is saying is that all the things people say to discredit Dak can be said about Romo. And I’m saying that all the excuses given TO ROMO should apply to Dak as well. You know? Like when an interception happens and the receivers get blamed for allegedly running the wrong routes. Or that he had to carry the team because none of the 45 other men dressed to play were NFL caliber players? Although he had TO and Witten in their primes along with other decent role players that folks claim Romo MADE. LOL. Like Patrick Crayton. Right? But in reality it was because he played opposite one of the most dominant WRs of that time that Crayton was making plays. TO left and Crayton was not the same. Besides neither him or Robinson were number one receivers. That’s why they didn’t prosper elsewhere. Because they were only good number twos.
But since Romo made them, can we say Dak made Gallup and Jarwin? It’s only fair. It’s amazing how you guys don’t see this? Are you that naive? Or are you being ignorant just because?

Hennessy_King · Jan 28, 2020

LocoBates said:
That both QBs have the same number of PO wins and SB rings. If both have achieved the same 0 SB wins, shouldn't the same positive or negative be shared equally? if 0 = 0 why one would get it and not the other?
although you mention TEAM on the 23rd page, earlier on the thread you mentioned your disagreement on how people criticize Dakota for not being able to beat winning teams this season, yet people forget about the stat you posted, thus effectively making this a QB comparison (hence my comment about the equal results for both QBs).

TEAM and learn from our mistakes (got it - check)

Funny, but don't tell us, tell Dakota, he is the one that wants to be the best player paid ever in the NFL. He doesn't want to take a lower contract to allow the FO to address other TEAM needs. It seems as if everybody but Dakota knew how much he needs that TEAM in order to put some descent games.

Not long ago the 1st excuse was that #4 needs his RB back (Zeke suspension), Second was then #4 needed receivers (fire Dez give 1st round pick for Coop),then OC sucks (Fire SL promote Moore the genius that later in the season sucked and got figured) latest one was #4 needs a new coach (fire Garret, hire a GB fired MC), now he wants to be the best QB ever payed in NFL, pending to fulfill his latest request everything has been served in silver plate, yet no playoffs or SB ring, I know only time will tell.... but honestly I can't think what the next excuse will be, maybe that "playing tagged distracted him all season not allowing him to focus on accuracy"? the only sure thing is that J Jones will not base his decision on a TEAM and he will repeat his own mistakes over and over again so most likely the QB will get what he wants... at the expense of the TEAM.

He gave the team 4 years on a crazy team friendly deal. Why should he do it again?

Aviano90 · Jan 28, 2020

Galian Beast said:
Let's play a game.

Let's add up the relative rankings for Romo's rush offenses and defenses (ppg)

Now let's do the same for Dak Prescott...

Here are the rushing stats:

Will show Year - Total Ranking - Average Yards Per Carry (Ranking) - Rushing Attempts (Ranking)

2006 - 13 overall / 4.1 ypc (15) / 472 attempts (12)
2007 - 17 overall / 4.2 ypc (10) / 419 attempts (21)
2008 - 21 overall / 4.3 ypc (12) / 401 attempts (25)
2009 - 7 overall / 4.8 ypc (2) / 436 attempts (17)
2010 - 16 overall / 4.2 ypc (15) / 428 attempts (16)
2011 - 18 overall / 4.4 ypc (9) / 408 attempts (24)
2012 - 31 overall / 3.6 ypc (30) / 355 attempts (31)
2013 - 24 overall / 4.5 ypc (8) / 336 attempts (31)
2014 - 2 overall / 4.6 ypc (3) / 508 attempts (3)
2015 - 9 overall / 4.6 ypc (5) / 408 attempts (18)
2016 - 2 overall / 4.8 ypc (3) / 499 attempts (1)
2017 - 2 overall / 4.5 ypc (3) / 480 attempts (1)
2018 - 10 overall / 4.5 ypc (14) / 439 attempts (10)
2019 - 5 overall / 4.8 ypc (5) / 449 attempts (8)

Interesting info, if you ask me. Dak has definitely had the better rushing attack but that is to expected considering the change in offensive philosophy in 2014. However, Romo's rushing attack wasn't quite as bad as I had anticipated. With the exception of 2012, we've had average at worst rushing attack for an efficiency standpoint but several times were below average in rushing attempts.

I'll spend some time and compile some comparative defensive numbers in a bit.

Aviano90 · Jan 28, 2020

Galian Beast said:
Let's play a game.

Let's add up the relative rankings for Romo's rush offenses and defenses (ppg)

Now let's do the same for Dak Prescott...

And here are the defensive numbers.
It will show: Year / Overall Ranking / Yards per drive (ranking) / Points per drive (ranking) -- This will help compare the defenses on a per drive basis to account for impact of ball control offense.

2006 - 13 Overall / 29.21 yards per drive (19) / 1.82 points per drive (22)
2007 - 9 Overall / 27.85 yards per drive (13) / 1.64 points per drive (14)
2008 - 8 Overall / 25.88 yards per drive (7) / 1.78 points per drive (14)
2009 - 9 Overall / 28.44 yards per drive (11) / 1.35 points per drive (3)
2010- 23 Overall / 30.98 yards per drive (24) / 2.13 points per drive (28)
2011 - 14 Overall / 31.98 yards per drive (23) / 1.84 points per drive (19)
2012 - 19 Overall / 34.11 yards per drive (27) / 2.14 points per drive (26)
2013 - 32 Overall / 36.48 yards per drive (30) / 2.31 points per drive (30)
2014 - 19 Overall / 32.45 yards per drive (27) / 1.89 points per drive (16)
2015 - 17 Overall / 32.64 yards per drive (21) / 1.99 points per drive (17)
2016 - 14 Overall / 33.04 yards per drive (23) / 1.89 points per drive (13)
2017 - 8 Overall / 32.28 yards per drive (25) / 1.85 points per drive (17)
2018 - 7 Overall / 31.71 yards per drive (14) / 1.93 points per drive (13)
2019 - 9 Overall / 31.82 yards per drive (15) / 1.91 points per drive (14)

gimmesix · Jan 28, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
OK. Well, I guess I'd ask who the last team was who one the Super Bowl with just a really good QB? I honestly don't know. I am a believer in cap management and team structure. Can you win a lot of ways in the NFL? Yes, you can. Can you win consistently and do the numbers show that it is the better way to do it or do you look at doing this in a more balanced, team oriented way? I believe the answer to each of those questions is No and absolutely, more balanced.

I don't really care about consistently winning. Few teams that win Super Bowls can do that (mainly just New England). Look at the Eagles a couple of years ago or just at the history of the big game other than New England.

No team wins with just a good quarterback, but it generally takes having a good quarterback to win. I just want to put everything we can into winning now and let the following years take care of themselves. If we have to suck several years because we pour everything into a Super Bowl run, I can live with that.

Ideally, you go for it before you have to pay your quarterback big money (and I believe Dallas essentially did this in 2019, although I would have fortified a few more positions), but you can't not pay your quarterback and just expect to easily find a replacement for the most important player on the field.

gimmesix · Jan 28, 2020

Aviano90 said:
Here are the rushing stats:

Will show Year - Total Ranking - Average Yards Per Carry (Ranking) - Rushing Attempts (Ranking)

2006 - 13 overall / 4.1 ypc (15) / 472 attempts (12)
2007 - 17 overall / 4.2 ypc (10) / 419 attempts (21)
2008 - 21 overall / 4.3 ypc (12) / 401 attempts (25)
2009 - 7 overall / 4.8 ypc (2) / 436 attempts (17)
2010 - 16 overall / 4.2 ypc (15) / 428 attempts (16)
2011 - 18 overall / 4.4 ypc (9) / 408 attempts (24)
2012 - 31 overall / 3.6 ypc (30) / 355 attempts (31)
2013 - 24 overall / 4.5 ypc (8) / 336 attempts (31)
2014 - 2 overall / 4.6 ypc (3) / 508 attempts (3)
2015 - 9 overall / 4.6 ypc (5) / 408 attempts (18)
2016 - 2 overall / 4.8 ypc (3) / 499 attempts (1)
2017 - 2 overall / 4.5 ypc (3) / 480 attempts (1)
2018 - 10 overall / 4.5 ypc (14) / 439 attempts (10)
2019 - 5 overall / 4.8 ypc (5) / 449 attempts (8)

Interesting info, if you ask me. Dak has definitely had the better rushing attack but that is to expected considering the change in offensive philosophy in 2014. However, Romo's rushing attack wasn't quite as bad as I had anticipated. With the exception of 2012, we've had average at worst rushing attack for an efficiency standpoint but several times were below average in rushing attempts.

I'll spend some time and compile some comparative defensive numbers in a bit.

The main issue during most of Romo's years wasn't inability to run the ball. It was that we ignored the running game at times and went pretty much all out pass, having Romo shoulder the load. In 2014, when we finally decided we needed to take some of the load off Romo, we rushed the ball 499 times. It was his best year because teams had to respect the running game.

(I do think this is evidence for the quantity being more important than the quality. As this shows, we had decent averages most of those years, but teams protected against the pass because they knew we were more likely to throw it than run it.)

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 28, 2020

keysersoze said:
Ok. That’s fair. But my statement is factual and proves that most quarterbacks are deemed elite after winning championships. More GOOd quarterbacks win rings than the so called elite ones.

I have no idea what your statement was or is. Don't care. It has nothing at all to do with what I was talking about. You do you.

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 28, 2020

gimmesix said:
I don't really care about consistently winning. Few teams that win Super Bowls can do that (mainly just New England). Look at the Eagles a couple of years ago or just at the history of the big game other than New England.

No team wins with just a good quarterback, but it generally takes having a good quarterback to win. I just want to put everything we can into winning now and let the following years take care of themselves. If we have to suck several years because we pour everything into a Super Bowl run, I can live with that.

Ideally, you go for it before you have to pay your quarterback big money (and I believe Dallas essentially did this in 2019, although I would have fortified a few more positions), but you can't not pay your quarterback and just expect to easily find a replacement for the most important player on the field.

Good doesn't get paid 40 a year. Good gets paid 30 or so. That's the whole point. It's misleading to say, "you can't not pay our quarterback". The team has tried to "pay" Prescott. It's Prescott and his agent who have declined to accept.

I agree you can't expect to easily find a replacement QB, which is why you do everything in your power to plan for such things. We haven't done that because we don't want to bring in comp to challenge Dak. We should be developing young talent at QB as a matter of course. We don't do that. The other thing is that you can't allow players to force the team into a bad financial situation with the cap. Sometimes you gotta go out and find a QB and that's just how it works. If you can't afford to pay a guy, then you gotta go find one. We were looking for a QB when we found Dak. When we found Tony. This is who the NFL works.

keysersoze · Jan 28, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
Good doesn't get paid 40 a year. Good gets paid 30 or so. That's the whole point. It's misleading to say, "you can't not pay our quarterback". The team has tried to "pay" Prescott. It's Prescott and his agent who have declined to accept.

Do you have a link to verify this bs you’re saying? It just bothers you guys to even imagine Dak getting that money. Why? Are you paying his salary? Are you an investor or something? You people are so sick it’s laughable.

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 28, 2020

keysersoze said:
Do you have a link to verify this bs you’re saying? It just bothers you guys to even imagine Dak getting that money. Why? Are you paying his salary? Are you an investor or something? You people are so sick it’s laughable.

If I do, I don't own it to you. I've told you already, you might as well ghost yourself. You don't rate with me so I don't have conversation with you. It's bad enough I have to explain this again.

NumOneQB · Jan 28, 2020

loublue22 said:
OP blamed Tony for that Broncos game

I blame Romo for the Cowboys’ consistent mediocrity during his tenure. Well, him and Garrett....

erod · Jan 28, 2020

How many of those losses did he put up 24+ points?

erod · Jan 28, 2020

NumOneQB said:
I blame Romo for the Cowboys’ consistent mediocrity during his tenure. Well, him and Garrett....

Asinine.

Historically some of the worst defenses in NFL history was the reason.

Gangsta Spanksta · Jan 28, 2020

keysersoze said:
Ok. You have no proof. Thanks!!!

yeah sure, now ya just trolling.

Swagger · Jan 28, 2020

Aviano90 said:
And here are the defensive numbers.
It will show: Year / Overall Ranking / Yards per drive (ranking) / Points per drive (ranking) -- This will help compare the defenses on a per drive basis to account for impact of ball control offense.

2006 - 13 Overall / 29.21 yards per drive (19) / 1.82 points per drive (22)
2007 - 9 Overall / 27.85 yards per drive (13) / 1.64 points per drive (14)
2008 - 8 Overall / 25.88 yards per drive (7) / 1.78 points per drive (14)
2009 - 9 Overall / 28.44 yards per drive (11) / 1.35 points per drive (3)
2010- 23 Overall / 30.98 yards per drive (24) / 2.13 points per drive (28)
2011 - 14 Overall / 31.98 yards per drive (23) / 1.84 points per drive (19)
2012 - 19 Overall / 34.11 yards per drive (27) / 2.14 points per drive (26)
2013 - 32 Overall / 36.48 yards per drive (30) / 2.31 points per drive (30)
2014 - 19 Overall / 32.45 yards per drive (27) / 1.89 points per drive (16)
2015 - 17 Overall / 32.64 yards per drive (21) / 1.99 points per drive (17)
2016 - 14 Overall / 33.04 yards per drive (23) / 1.89 points per drive (13)
2017 - 8 Overall / 32.28 yards per drive (25) / 1.85 points per drive (17)
2018 - 7 Overall / 31.71 yards per drive (14) / 1.93 points per drive (13)
2019 - 9 Overall / 31.82 yards per drive (15) / 1.91 points per drive (14)

Statistically top ten defense two of the past three seasons yet only made the play offs on one occasion...

Did you guys know Romo though 09-16 won 15 games?

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