Did you guys know Romo though 09-16 won 15 games?

Gangsta Spanksta

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Romos contract killed us because he was injured and not playing. Then retired i knew the 5 year extension was a terrible idea when they did it

That doesn't mean that one dumb contract deserves doing another dumb contract. And I think you mentioned Dez's contract too, and that is a bit of hindsight being 20/20, because who knew he would get injured right afterwards and not be the same guy.
 

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Do you have a link to verify this bs you’re saying? It just bothers you guys to even imagine Dak getting that money. Why? Are you paying his salary? Are you an investor or something? You people are so sick it’s laughable.

Yeah sure, its not like the concept of like Aaron Rodgers contract having an adverse effect on Greenbay's ability to surround him with talent has never been discussed before. That is an elite quarterback. It just doesn't make sense to drain the talent ever where else, when the Quarterback isn't good enough to make up for the talent you will lose because you can't afford to pay them because you are paying him. Dak isn't Clutch in the same way that Rodgers or Brady have been, that has been poven by this season that he is on the same level of clutch that romo was.
 

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Statistically top ten defense two of the past three seasons yet only made the play offs on one occasion...
Yep and people can quit trying to morph Romo into a great QB facing insurmountable odds without a defense and running game.
 

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They both played under an inept coaching staff and GM but one also had the benefit of a running game and a solid defense every year they were here and one didn't.

Agreed.
Troy just said this, I think he knows a bit about this stuff.

 

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Romo wasn’t the starter until what week 7 in 2006? The second playoff loss Glenn missed the entire year and then came back for that 1 game were he was a shell of himself. Your acting like Romo had all this time with a prime Terry Glenn you are completely mistaking.
Now you’re getting desperate, putting words in my mouth.

When did I ever say Romo “had all this time” with Glenn?
:laugh:

He still played with a tremendous supporting cast in those games. Hell, even without Glenn, that’s a nice list of playmakers.

Romo was a beast, but almost every QB will have trouble beating winning teams if they don’t have a strong defense/special teams.

Dak is no different.

The beauty of this thread is that it exposes the idiots who tried to say, “Dak’s mediocre because of his record vs winning teams!” Most of them love Romo... and if that statement’s true about Dak, it must apply to Romo as well.
 

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Romo put up like 50 and lost against the Broncos. So no, the stats are absolutely meaningless
 

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Now you’re getting desperate, putting words in my mouth.

When did I ever say Romo “had all this time” with Glenn?
:laugh:

He still played with a tremendous supporting cast in those games. Hell, even without Glenn, that’s a nice list of playmakers.

Romo was a beast, but almost every QB will have trouble beating winning teams if they don’t have a strong defense/special teams.

Dak is no different.

The beauty of this thread is that it exposes the idiots who tried to say, “Dak’s mediocre because of his record vs winning teams!” Most of them love Romo... and if that statement’s true about Dak, it must apply to Romo as well.
Hey Bro!!! You get it!! Great post!:hammer:
 

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Yeah sure, its not like the concept of like Aaron Rodgers contract having an adverse effect on Greenbay's ability to surround him with talent has never been discussed before. That is an elite quarterback. It just doesn't make sense to drain the talent ever where else, when the Quarterback isn't good enough to make up for the talent you will lose because you can't afford to pay them because you are paying him. Dak isn't Clutch in the same way that Rodgers or Brady have been, that has been poven by this season that he is on the same level of clutch that romo was.
I asked for a link. Not your rhetorical bs. Put up a link. Or shut your azz up. Comprendé?
 

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I asked for a link. Not your rhetorical bs. Put up a link. Or shut your azz up. Comprendé?

Why, when everyone else who is a frequent poster on this board knows what's up? Not worth the effort, finding links from the last three years for the guy who doesn't frequent this place enough, when he can just as easily do it himself. It's a nice con game, on the one hand expressing shock and questioning how anyone can be a cowboys fan if they don't support the current QB, and bringing up that people are using double standards when comparing romo to Dak. But then when it comes to people pointing out that some of the people here complaining about those double standards are guilty of them themselves but for doing it in the reverse order. Then it becomes all, "I don't believe it because I've never seen it," when there are plenty of people on the board who have witnessed the reverse. Then you suspiciously, never answer the question, questioning people's fandom when they are willing to throw any other cowboy, current or former, under the bus to prop up their guy. Again something you claim you never seen around these parts, Which either means you're new here, or that you are not arguing in good faith. I kind of find it suspicious how you can't fathom people putting down other players for the expense of Dak, or how you don't seem to see anything that doesn't fit your narrative. And I'm sure anyone who frequents these forums knows what I'm talking about. Personally, I hope that Dak has a better career under a real coach than Romo had post Tuna. He is a good Quarterback and has the potential to be better.
 

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Why, when everyone else who is a frequent poster on this board knows what's up? Not worth the effort, finding links from the last three years for the guy who doesn't frequent this place enough, when he can just as easily do it himself. It's a nice con game, on the one hand expressing shock and questioning how anyone can be a cowboys fan if they don't support the current QB, and bringing up that people are using double standards when comparing romo to Dak. But then when it comes to people pointing out that some of the people here complaining about those double standards are guilty of them themselves but for doing it in the reverse order. Then it becomes all, "I don't believe it because I've never seen it," when there are plenty of people on the board who have witnessed the reverse. Then you suspiciously, never answer the question, questioning people's fandom when they are willing to throw any other cowboy, current or former, under the bus to prop up their guy. Again something you claim you never seen around these parts, Which either means you're new here, or that you are not arguing in good faith. I kind of find it suspicious how you can't fathom people putting down other players for the expense of Dak, or how you don't seem to see anything that doesn't fit your narrative. And I'm sure anyone who frequents these forums knows what I'm talking about. Personally, I hope that Dak has a better career under a real coach than Romo had post Tuna. He is a good Quarterback and has the potential to be better.
Yea yea yea. Your weak azz can’t find a link stating Dak and his agent refused a deal. Shut that bs up. Speak know facts instead of rumors and speculation. You went off into a totally different subject. What has any of what you posted have to do with proof of your prior statement that Dak refused a deal?? You people are really twisted. SMDH
 

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Yea yea yea. Your weak azz can’t find a link stating Dak and his agent refused a deal. Shut that bs up. Speak know facts instead of rumors and speculation. You went off into a totally different subject. What has any of what you posted have to do with proof of your prior statement that Dak refused a deal?? You people are really twisted. SMDH

Can you link said prior statement out of curiosity?
 

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That doesn't mean that one dumb contract deserves doing another dumb contract. And I think you mentioned Dez's contract too, and that is a bit of hindsight being 20/20, because who knew he would get injured right afterwards and not be the same guy.
Im using those contracts as examples to why we couldnt make the most of daks cheap contract. Like what the eagles, rams, and cheifs have.
 

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No excuse. It’s a valid concern to eliminate bias.

My suggestion would be to look at the average points per drive allowed (or yards per drive) to compensate for the different style of play. Prior to 2014 we were averaging around 2:30-2:40 a drive on offense and went up to around 3 minutes per drive in 2014. Defense having to defend more drives will give up more total yards and more total points but looking at it on a per drive basis may be a better way to compare.

What are your thoughts?

I think it is a factor, but I don't think you can ignore the fact that the teams before 2014 weren't able or willing to do that.
 

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And here are the defensive numbers.
It will show: Year / Overall Ranking / Yards per drive (ranking) / Points per drive (ranking) -- This will help compare the defenses on a per drive basis to account for impact of ball control offense.

2006 - 13 Overall / 29.21 yards per drive (19) / 1.82 points per drive (22)
2007 - 9 Overall / 27.85 yards per drive (13) / 1.64 points per drive (14)
2008 - 8 Overall / 25.88 yards per drive (7) / 1.78 points per drive (14)
2009 - 9 Overall / 28.44 yards per drive (11) / 1.35 points per drive (3)
2010- 23 Overall / 30.98 yards per drive (24) / 2.13 points per drive (28)
2011 - 14 Overall / 31.98 yards per drive (23) / 1.84 points per drive (19)
2012 - 19 Overall / 34.11 yards per drive (27) / 2.14 points per drive (26)
2013 - 32 Overall / 36.48 yards per drive (30) / 2.31 points per drive (30)
2014 - 19 Overall / 32.45 yards per drive (27) / 1.89 points per drive (16)
2015 - 17 Overall / 32.64 yards per drive (21) / 1.99 points per drive (17)
2016 - 14 Overall / 33.04 yards per drive (23) / 1.89 points per drive (13)
2017 - 8 Overall / 32.28 yards per drive (25) / 1.85 points per drive (17)
2018 - 7 Overall / 31.71 yards per drive (14) / 1.93 points per drive (13)
2019 - 9 Overall / 31.82 yards per drive (15) / 1.91 points per drive (14)

Points per drive don't mean anything, because ultimately it isn't about how many drives a defense sees rather how many points they give up.
 

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My bad. I got you guys mixed up. That’s not what you and I were debating which is a mistake on my part. I’m adult enough to admit that.
Always good to have a keyser sighting.
Hope you're doing well my friend!
 
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