Does Dak want non-exclusive tag?

Future · Jan 28, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
There is no proof of this. I mean, even if there were, signing him to 30 or 32 is even better cap management in 2025 so I give the entire sticker shock argument little credence, where I am concerned.

The proof is the way salaries have exploded for the last decade. You think QB salaries are all of a sudden going to start getting smaller?

cowboy_ron · Jan 28, 2020

I'd hate to lose him but 2 #1's wouldn't be a bad consolation prize.

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 28, 2020

Future said:
The proof is the way salaries have exploded for the last decade. You think QB salaries are all of a sudden going to start getting smaller?

Perhaps, but you don't know where the numbers will be. They could be more, they could be less. Yes, salaries have exploded but that has been driven by TV revenue. The NFL is no longer the draw it once was. Lots of fans streaming or just not watching games but instead, just watching clips. If this does not rebound, I don't know what the TV contracts do over the next few years.

I think a lot can happen around salaries. I think that if this trend continues, where you don't see mega contract QBs winning Championships, then yeah, I can definitely see QB contracts normalize. I do see that as a possible outcome but again, nothing is certain and we don't know where things will be in a few years. Could be more, could be less....

Swagger · Jan 28, 2020

The longer no contract is agreed the closer we get to the draft and the more chance there is of a sensational long term outcome for us...Prescott not being on the roster next season.

Future · Jan 28, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
Perhaps, but you don't know where the numbers will be. They could be more, they could be less. Yes, salaries have exploded but that has been driven by TV revenue. The NFL is no longer the draw it once was. Lots of fans streaming or just not watching games but instead, just watching clips. If this does not rebound, I don't know what the TV contracts do over the next few years.

I think a lot can happen around salaries. I think that if this trend continues, where you don't see mega contract QBs winning Championships, then yeah, I can definitely see QB contracts normalize. I do see that as a possible outcome but again, nothing is certain and we don't know where things will be in a few years. Could be more, could be less....

Ratings are up for the second year in a row: https://apnews.com/48216a4290c2573c570ad564bd3f608b

Someone like Amazon could come in and literally double the current network deals.

OmerV · Jan 28, 2020

CATCH17 said:
lol nobody would sign him for the amount of money he wants and give up picks as well.

If they did it would be a huge win for Dallas.

The only team I see that will come close to giving him what he wants is Dallas.

I personally would love to see him not tagged and just go on the open market and see what his true market value is.

But then you run the risk of not having anything close to a capable NFL QB next year. I doubt Dallas wants to go that route. I doubt any team would.

OmerV · Jan 28, 2020

Swagger said:
The longer no contract is agreed the closer we get to the draft and the more chance there is of a sensational long term outcome for us...Prescott not being on the roster next season.

You expect to find a sensational QB with the 17th pick?

CATCH17 · Jan 28, 2020

OmerV said:
But then you run the risk of not having anything close to a capable NFL QB next year. I doubt Dallas wants to go that route. I doubt any team would.

Oh we could get a guy that could replicate Dak Prescott's ability on the field pretty easy.

OmerV · Jan 28, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Oh we could get a guy that could replicate Dak Prescott's ability on the field pretty easy.

From where? There aren't even enough solid NFL starting QBs to go around all 32 teams, and though Dak is not an elite QB, he is far from a bottom level starter.

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 28, 2020

Future said:
Ratings are up for the second year in a row: https://apnews.com/48216a4290c2573c570ad564bd3f608b

Someone like Amazon could come in and literally double the current network deals.

Perhaps Amazon might do this but why would they? I mean, we don't know what this content actually represents to them. The point is, nobody knows.

With regards to the ratings, I believe the NFL, on the whole, increased 5% or something like that but if you break those numbers down, they are still way down from like the last 5 years and more importantly, the area in which the increase came from this year was from older viewers. However, if you look at viewers between 18-24, viewership continues to decline. What that could mean is that it's popularity is in decline, going forward. So we don't know what's going to happen there. I think we are far from saying that TV contracts are going to explode with more cash, year over year. I mean, that could happen but it could also go the other way IMO.

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 28, 2020

OmerV said:
From where? There aren't even enough solid NFL starting QBs to go around all 32 teams, and though Dak is not an elite QB, he is far from a bottom level starter.

I'd guess that the only way Dak is out of Dallas is if somebody steps up and agrees to pick up the tag. That would mean that we have 4 first round picks over the next few years. That would put us in a position to be able to move up and get a replacement QB IMO. Now, will that guy be "The Guy"? I don't about that but with the draft picks we have, if somebody didn't fall to us, we would have enough to go up and get somebody IMO. Also, we would have significant cap to be able to sign an FA QB. They don't all play for 35 mil so I think it's certainly reasonable to assume we could get somebody to play QB for us.

Thats just my opinion.

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 28, 2020

Future said:
Ratings are up for the second year in a row: https://apnews.com/48216a4290c2573c570ad564bd3f608b

Someone like Amazon could come in and literally double the current network deals.

And yet, they are still well below 5 years ago. I mean, that's just the turth Future.

OmerV · Jan 28, 2020

ABQCOWBOY said:
I'd guess that the only way Dak is out of Dallas is if somebody steps up and agrees to pick up the tag. That would mean that we have 4 first round picks over the next few years. That would put us in a position to be able to move up and get a replacement QB IMO. Now, will that guy be "The Guy"? I don't about that but with the draft picks we have, if somebody didn't fall to us, we would have enough to go up and get somebody IMO. Also, we would have significant cap to be able to sign an FA QB. They don't all play for 35 mil so I think it's certainly reasonable to assume we could get somebody to play QB for us.

Thats just my opinion.

I don't think there is any real chance of that. I think there are teams that would like to have Dak, but not at the expense of forfeiting 2 1st round draft picks. I would be shocked if Dallas and Dak don't work something out without the tag being used, or if it is used my guess is it will be just to preserve rights to Dak while they work out the contract, much like with D-Law last year.

ABQCOWBOY · Jan 28, 2020

OmerV said:
I don't think there is any real chance of that. I think there are teams that would like to have Dak, but not at the expense of forfeiting 2 1st round draft picks. I would be shocked if Dallas and Dak don't work something out without the tag being used, or if it is used my guess is it will be just to preserve rights to Dak while they work out the contract, much like with D-Law last year.

Exactly, but as I said, there is no way I see Dak getting out of Dallas outside of a team stepping up and paying that price. I mean, the Cowboys are not gonna just let him go. That won't happen IMO.

CATCH17 · Jan 28, 2020

OmerV said:
From where? There aren't even enough solid NFL starting QBs to go around all 32 teams, and though Dak is not an elite QB, he is far from a bottom level starter.

Dak is on a rock solid foundation. We could easily find our Tannehill. If it were him making everyone better I would have a different opinion but this is a QB thats just along for the ride.

This is an optimal place for any QB to play. Dak's 20ish TD's with 10-15ish INT's is replaceable.

OmerV · Jan 28, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Dak is on a rock solid foundation. We could easily find our Tannehill. If it were him making everyone better I would have a different opinion but this is a QB thats just along for the ride.

This is an optimal place for any QB to play. Dak's 20ish TD's with 10-15ish INT's is replaceable.

Who? If it's as easy as that it should be easy to point someone else out. Stories like Tannehill's are rare - certainly not just a common, every year occurrence that any team can assume they can duplicate at will.

CATCH17 · Jan 28, 2020

OmerV said:
Who? If it's as easy as that it should be easy to point someone else out. Stories like Tannehill's are rare - certainly not just a common, every year occurrence that any team can assume they can duplicate at will.

A story like Tannehill wouldn't be rare here.

Heck Phillip Rivers could come in and do what Dak did this year.

Any QB that doesn't completely suck will do fine here.

OmerV · Jan 28, 2020

CATCH17 said:
A story like Tannehill wouldn't be rare here.

Heck Phillip Rivers could come in and do what Dak did this year.

Any QB that doesn't completely suck will do fine here.

Phillip Rivers is #6 on the all time passing yardage list and has had a career that is miles above what Tannehill has had. There is no comparison. And even if he could have done as well as Dak, the man is 38 years old and will likely be trending downward.

Dak is at a minimum a top 12-14 QB, and could easily be argued as a top 7-10 QB. Outside of the elite guys like Rodgers, Mahomes, Brees, Wilson and Brady (although some may drop him out of the "elite" group), Dak is easily comparable with the next level of guys. That really isn't as easy to replace as you think, and certainly not to improve upon. Shooting to capture what happened with Tannehill is a shot in the dark and is at least as likely to work out like Flacco in Denver, or Matt Schaub at every stop after Houston.

HungryLion · Jan 28, 2020

AAV is meaningless.

All that matters are the guarantees. Even a high base salary in 3-4 years is meaningless, if the team can painlessly cut a player or choose to extend their contract and lower the cap hit relative to the salary cap.

People are way way Waaaaaaaay too caught up in AAV.

Ranched · Jan 28, 2020

I believe it's more on what Dallas wants. Since Dallas didn't get the deal done w/Dak last year, the ideal scenario would be to get a contract in place before the Boys need to use the franchise tag on March 10.

There are two reasons why that is in the Boys' best interest. First, teams always want to take care of their qb situation. That's why the Boys had urgency to get a deal done in September. Well, that and the chance to use Daks final year under contract to spread out some of the salary-cap responsibilities.

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