How would you feel about Henry Ruggs at 17?

baltcowboy · Jan 28, 2020

CATCH17 said:
What do you see his overall potential as? Potentially a #1? Tyreek Hill type?

I think if all of the players we like are off the board then he is on my short list of players I would draft.

If we keep Cooper and we get back to running the ball like we used to then the matchups Ruggs would get with the speed he has would put a huge amount of pressure on defenses to defend.

I'm sure Jeudy and Lamb will be long gone by 17.

I question how much of an impact the DE's Espenesa Iowa and the Penn State guy will have at the next level.

I don't think Dallas would take Ruggs. I think they'll let Byron walk and take a corner over a lot of these other guys anyways.

The arrogant draft guy on 105.3 says Riggs could be Tyreek Hill on the field and we would average 40 a game. If he is that special sign me up.

Sydla · Jan 28, 2020

Future said:
Idk, maybe a little bit, but I think there are teams that are going to rank Reagor higher than Ruggs (in general, I think Ruggs is overrated).

Ideally, they trade down and then grab Reagor, but I'd rather reach for a guy you like that has a high ceiling than settle for a lower-ceiling player just b/c they're more projected at that spot.

The trade down would be ideal but how likely? Who knows.

But I can live with Reagor at 17 more than Matos or Delpit or Fulton. I want Kinlaw but am resigned to the fact I will be disappointed.

Future · Jan 28, 2020

Sydla said:
The trade down would be ideal but how likely? Who knows.

But I can live with Reagor at 17 more than Matos or Delpit or Fulton. I want Kinlaw but am resigned to the fact I will be disappointed.

Lol, that's pretty much where I am. I wouldn't be disappointed with WR there though. I think it's a huge need.

I'm assuming Kinlaw is gone, haven't really been convinced on the other DL (though I don't hate Chaisson there), and don't see the value of the DBs there.

the_h0wey · Jan 28, 2020

CATCH17 said:
What do you see his overall potential as? Potentially a #1? Tyreek Hill type?

I think if all of the players we like are off the board then he is on my short list of players I would draft.

If we keep Cooper and we get back to running the ball like we used to then the matchups Ruggs would get with the speed he has would put a huge amount of pressure on defenses to defend.

I'm sure Jeudy and Lamb will be long gone by 17.

I question how much of an impact the DE's Espenesa Iowa and the Penn State guy will have at the next level.

I don't think Dallas would take Ruggs. I think they'll let Byron walk and take a corner over a lot of these other guys anyways.

I'd be fine with it as he is an absolute game changer with the ball in his hands. We have a lot more holes on defense so I would only take him if he was the top player left on our board.

CATCH17 · Jan 28, 2020

Sydla said:
The trade down would be ideal but how likely? Who knows.

But I can live with Reagor at 17 more than Matos or Delpit or Fulton. I want Kinlaw but am resigned to the fact I will be disappointed.

I'm there too.

I think we only see Kinlaw if he has injuries.

In fact I think NFL teams may value his pass rush ability more then Brown's ability to just control the LOS and we could see Kinlaw be the first DT taken.

visionary · Jan 28, 2020

Sydla said:
I just did a mock and the exact same dilemma unfolded on the simulator. Ruggs was there along with Espenesa and the Matos kid from PSU on the board along with Delpit. I took Ruggs. Kinlaw went early, inside the Top 10.

I think it was Future who said yesterday and might be true, the best player at 17 might be a WR if Kinlaw is off the board early.

this is why we should not sign Cooper or Jones

With that money

sign 2 best DTs (1T SBs 3T)
Best available safety
Best available TE
Back up vet QB
Best available PR/KR

then draft BPA
I would still take Espenesa depending on his measurables because to me we have to put pressure on opposing QBs but if Ruggs is BPA, take him

Have a plan to build a team not a team of WRs

Hardline · Jan 28, 2020

If Ruggs can give us what Deshawn Jackson did for the iggles early in his career I'm all for it

bewp7 · Jan 28, 2020

if he is bpa then i am fine with it! take the highest graded player and do not draft for need...take the superior talent always! it’s also not like he is a OT or something sitting behind tyron and la’el...he would be on the field and contributing from day 1.

Beaker42 · Jan 28, 2020

John813 said:
If Cooper gets tagged then I wouldn't mind a guy like Ruggs in round 1.

I’d take Reagor before Ruggs. IMO Ruggs’ hands are suspect.

Flamma · Jan 28, 2020

If it's a waste to draft a WR at #1 then why isn't the same applied to DB? I think in this draft there is a better chance to have an impact player at WR than we do at DB picking at #17. I don't trust any of these defensive back at pick 17. Last year was the time to pick one as they were ignored until mid 2nd round due to the heavy picks at DL. But this year I'd rather wait until 2nd or 3rd round for a DB. I'd go DT/WR or WR/DT for the first two rounds depending on who's available. I certainly wouldn't pass up Lamb if he's there.

Offense can do a lot. Last year the Chiefs D sucked and they were a neutral zone infraction away from going to the SB. Out D won't suck if we don't draft all defense right away.

CalPolyTechnique · Jan 28, 2020

I’m calling my shot now. If Ruggs gets to the Eagles pick they are gonna take him. DeSean is at the end of the line and they’ll be looking for a guy for Wentz to air it out to.

darthseinfeld · Jan 28, 2020

CATCH17 said:
What do you see his overall potential as? Potentially a #1? Tyreek Hill type?

I think if all of the players we like are off the board then he is on my short list of players I would draft.

If we keep Cooper and we get back to running the ball like we used to then the matchups Ruggs would get with the speed he has would put a huge amount of pressure on defenses to defend.

I'm sure Jeudy and Lamb will be long gone by 17.

I question how much of an impact the DE's Espenesa Iowa and the Penn State guy will have at the next level.

I don't think Dallas would take Ruggs. I think they'll let Byron walk and take a corner over a lot of these other guys anyways.

Wouldnt mind it. As a fan you go into a draft wanting a specific thing, but you have to keep an open mind. Ruggs is a stud, and if he is BPA when we pick then I would be fine with it. Gives you flexibility with contracts, not just with Cooper but with Gallup. We will have to make an decision on him soon.

darthseinfeld · Jan 28, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Yeah.. There is just so many quality receivers in this draft and we're kind of locked into Cooper and Gallup for awhile most likely.

I don't think Ruggs could ever validate the investment but that speed and the matchups he would get could be a heck of a weapon for us.

Do you think Ruggs has the potential to be a true #1 WR?

Also, was the Louisville offensive tackle on the board?

I struggle with evaluating D Ends who have that Joey Bosa look to them coming out of college. The athleticism just isn't that great so i'm not great at evaluating how that will translate with guys like them.

To me Taco, Greg Ellis, and Joey Bosa all kind of look the same and you never know which one you will get when you draft a Espenesa or Matos type.

We have Gallup on a rookie deal for 2 more years. However, if even keeps the same production as last year he will be expensive to keep. If you draft Ruggs, then you have him on his rookie contract for 3 more years after Gallups contract is up. Something to consider.

stilltheguru · Jan 28, 2020

Yes stock up receivers on a team with Zeke :facepalm:

reddyuta · Jan 28, 2020

nothing against the player but we will be using 2 1st RD picks on a WR back to back,i cant stomach that.

Daygoboy6191 · Jan 28, 2020

McCathey is supposedly bringing in a westcoast offense, that doesn't mesh with Ruggs skillset. Ruggs on back-shoulder passes I don't see as being a good match, not a great route runner... Am I missing something on him being a fit for this team?

darthseinfeld · Jan 28, 2020

Future said:
Lol, that's pretty much where I am. I wouldn't be disappointed with WR there though. I think it's a huge need.

I'm assuming Kinlaw is gone, haven't really been convinced on the other DL (though I don't hate Chaisson there), and don't see the value of the DBs there.

With no other options, they may extended Gallup in 2021. If they give Cooper a big deal, that could be a very expensive WR group. Thats why I wouldn't sleep on a WR

Chaisson is an interesting projection for me. He is a player that would really suit a hybrid style defense as he should be able to play both from a 3 point as well as standing up. The high end production isnt there yet, but he is also still very young. He would look alot better in an odd front than Quinn would if we retain him. Quinn wasnt a very good stand up rusher in St.L. Odd front looks would be a good place for Chaisson to get on the field.

However, I dont know if Ive seen anything that definitively stated we are going to run multiple fronts

DallasBlockersClub · Jan 28, 2020

CATCH17 said:
What do you see his overall potential as? Potentially a #1? Tyreek Hill type?

I think if all of the players we like are off the board then he is on my short list of players I would draft.

If we keep Cooper and we get back to running the ball like we used to then the matchups Ruggs would get with the speed he has would put a huge amount of pressure on defenses to defend.

I'm sure Jeudy and Lamb will be long gone by 17.

I question how much of an impact the DE's Espenesa Iowa and the Penn State guy will have at the next level.

I don't think Dallas would take Ruggs. I think they'll let Byron walk and take a corner over a lot of these other guys anyways.

Ruggs would be an excellent pick at 17

Sydla · Jan 28, 2020

visionary said:
this is why we should not sign Cooper or Jones

With that money

sign 2 best DTs (1T SBs 3T)
Best available safety
Best available TE
Back up vet QB
Best available PR/KR

then draft BPA
I would still take Espenesa depending on his measurables because to me we have to put pressure on opposing QBs but if Ruggs is BPA, take him

Have a plan to build a team not a team of WRs

Frankly, I am thinking we should bring Jones back and then go WR in Rd 1. Use Cooper's money to sign some DL like you suggested.

I know Jones doesn't get interceptions but he has shown he can take a WR out of the game. His advanced stats have him as a Top 10 CB the last two years. If I can get him for like $14MM AAV, I'd do it.

Epenesa doesn't strike me as that terror pass rusher at the NFL level. A few of the scouting guides I read suggested he lacks elite burst or bend around the edge.

darthseinfeld · Jan 28, 2020

reddyuta said:
nothing against the player but we will be using 2 1st RD picks on a WR back to back,i cant stomach that.

Money wise, its the 3rd most valuable position in football

How would you feel about Henry Ruggs at 17?

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Intramural Legend

Well-Known Member

1st Round Pick

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Groupthink Guru

Groupthink Guru

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Groupthink Guru

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Groupthink Guru