Jimmy Johnson to this day could out-scheme any offense

CouchCoach · Feb 2, 2020

Booger didn't let Johnson get away and he didn't fire him or even push him away, he was only going to be there for a certain amount of time and I doubt it would have gone past that 94 season.

I don't think he ever looked at any of that as long term. Guys like Jimmy Johnson and Dick Vermeil give so much of themselves to something and they become spent. It's not a job or even a passion, it's an obession.

Jimmy is the type guy that wants that challenge and the Cowboys had he stayed and won 3 in a row, he would have left anyway. There was no more challenge to stay inland.

I didn't know his son was going through some problems, knew about his Mom passing, but that explains how he could just walk away after losing a game 62-7, it was no longer in him.

blueblood70 · Feb 2, 2020

PA Cowboy Fan said:
4 years in Miami vs a decade in Dallas. 3 playoff births in 4 years vs 3 playoff births in 10. You are right no difference,

still no AFCCG APPREARCES..YUP, NO DIFFERENCE

at least JG can stay in one place longer then 4-5 years we wouldn't know what Jimmy record wot; f be because he doesnt stay committed long enough to fail and rebuild..he QUITS

CouchCoach · Feb 2, 2020

The difference that Jimmy found is Dallas and Miami was exactly what Saban, Spurrier and Petrino found, if you can't build it yourself, you need to get out. Jimmy got to build and mold Dallas from the ground floor up and won with the youngest team in NFL history, young as in still not far out of college and used to coaching. In college, the HC has the power, in the NFL, it's the highly paid players.

College football really hasn't changed, the coach is still the guy and the dog but in the NFL, the HC can quickly become the tail as Jimmy discovered in Miami with Mario.

I can't think of a more nonsense HC in the NFL than Tomlin and for a player to think it's OK to send video out of the locker room speaks volumes to how the NFL has changed with the "stars" running the show. Tomlin's just lucky he works for Rooney, Booger wouldn't have let him do anything to Brown.

Bob-Lillys-War · Feb 2, 2020

Jimmy could not out scheme any offense today .

No .

GMO415 · Feb 2, 2020

Bob-Lillys-War said:
The great Jimmy Johnson couldn't win a SB with a stacked Marino/Dolphins team .

Oh, that was "Jerry's fault" too ! I betcha ..

The ineptitude of some jimmy lovers is embarrassing .

He didn't have a running team to go with his over the hill Marino.

Bob-Lillys-War · Feb 2, 2020

GMO415 said:
He didn't have a running team to go with his over the hill Marino.

Why not ? He was the the strategic man responsible for the SBs in Dallas ? Why didn't he do that in Miami ?

Jerry did nothing.

Why did Jimmy have no 'running team' in miami ? he knew how to win SBs, didn't he?

Jimmy picked all the players, did everything from coaching to GM in dallas, won SBs. What happened ?

Couldn't Jimmy just pick another running team ?

CouchCoach · Feb 2, 2020

CouchCoach said:
The difference that Jimmy found is Dallas and Miami was exactly what Saban, Spurrier and Petrino found, if you can't build it yourself, you need to get out. Jimmy got to build and mold Dallas from the ground floor up and won with the youngest team in NFL history, young as in still not far out of college and used to coaching. In college, the HC has the power, in the NFL, it's the highly paid players.

College football really hasn't changed, the coach is still the guy and the dog but in the NFL, the HC can quickly become the tail as Jimmy discovered in Miami with Mario.

I can't think of a more nonsense HC in the NFL than Tomlin and for a player to think it's OK to send video out of the locker room speaks volumes to how the NFL has changed with the "stars" running the show. Tomlin's just lucky he works for Rooney, Booger wouldn't have let him do anything to Brown.

That is no nonsense HC, Tomlin PM'd me and told me to correct that. Wasn't cheerful about it either, that no nonsense extends beyond coaching.

Kaiser · Feb 2, 2020

Bob-Lillys-War said:
Couldn't Jimmy just pick another running team ?

Because Jerry Jones took all the good RBs out on the party bus. Duhhh....

Cowboyfanforlife · Feb 2, 2020

NickZepp said:
96 he had Terrell Buckley who was a pretty solid CB for a decade. He had over 50 INTs but never made a pro bowl. That has to be the only person in NFL history to have that happen
Louis Oliver was a solid hand at DB for about 7 or 8 years but nothing great.

1998-99 Sam Madison and Buckley were two really top of the line corners. Brock Marion was added as a safety. He would have his best years in Miami after Johnson left. They also had Patrick Surtain who was a good corner around this time.

Pass defense stats

1996 24th in pass defense 29th in TDs
1997 25th in pass defense 18th in TDs
1998 6th in pass defense 3rd in TDs
1999 5th in pass defense 7th in TDs

So they got better but they had some decent talent.

Yea along with HOF jason Taylor and potential HOF Zach Thomas.....they WOULD have been playing for dallas.....along with the triplets and offensive line.........3 out 4 superbowls? more like 5 or 6 out of 8...........

Bob-Lillys-War · Feb 2, 2020

Wouldn't it be cool if the mods made a pre-game superbowl thread ?

quickccc · Feb 2, 2020

Different era ... offenses expand and more advanced nowadays... and thats where the old schoolers may have their limits. whereas in jimmie's 90's days - he could just do what garrrett only knows - just man up and go after them do what we do ... the " hit a gorilla with all you got " theme.

visionary · Feb 2, 2020

tyke1doe said:
Jimmy Johnson was like Chris Pines' Captain Kirk. Calculated recklessness that dumbfounded friends and foes alike but had both marveling when he and his team succeeded.
He planted success and then was so unpredictable that it stunned folks. And it was hilarious too.
Like Johnson calling the radio station promising a win in the NFC Championship. Seifert and Jerry Rice were so taken aback they didn't know what to do. Well, Rice knew what to do - start a fight at the beginning of the game. The normally level-headed Rice wanting to fight. Seifert was so speechless he had to muster the right words to respond, then latter had to concede Jimmy's brass ones. Jimmy played them like fiddles.

Or when the Cowboys shocked the Giants in a blow out and the Giants wanted to whine about Dallas running up the score. Johnson said he never complained when teams were beating up on the Cowboys, other teams shouldn't be complaining now. If you don't want the score run up, stop us from scoring.

I remember the 91 game against the undefeated Skins when the Cowboys just let it all hang out with onside kicks, Hail Marys and defeated Washington 24-21. I remember John Madden saying it was the best coach game he had ever seen.

And then our special teams were better than any I have seen on a Cowboys team. Block punts for touchdowns, punt returns for touchdowns, kickoff returns for touchdowns.

The Johnson teams played with confidence and an aura that they couldn't be beat because they were talented, disciplined and well-prepared. And that came from the COACH. Don't tell me coaching has nothing to do with winning or plays an insignificant part in winning.

I had zero doubts we were going to win Super Bowls 27 and 28.

Man, I truly miss those days.

Wait so coaching and STs are important?
Who knew

Fla Cowpoke · Feb 2, 2020

Everything was in place for Jimmy in Dallas. His coaches, his knowledge of the college players that would be entering the draft, lots of draft picks, freedom to do exactly what he wanted. It is similar to what Belichick has done in NE with Tom Brady. When Jimmy went to Miami, he completely went against his own plans and decide to try and make things fit an aging Dan Marino. THat meant different things as far as player acquisition, game planning, etc. I have no doubt that Jimmy could have gone to any other NFL team, worked his system the way he did in Dallas and built a team that was a constant challenger for the Super Bowl. Jimmy won everywhere he went, he wasn't a one hit wonder. Funny that some people seem to be suggesting that.

Number1 · Feb 2, 2020

"Jimmy Johnson to this day could out-scheme any offense"

so could I with talent he had on the field, most games are won and lost between the guards

when I can rotate Lett, Maryland, Hennings, and Casillas at will ... you can't beat me

how many games did Jimmy win before "the trade"? or with the Dolphins?

don't get me wrong, I like Jimmy, hell of a coach, but it's the guys in the pit that win or lose

atlantacowboy · Feb 2, 2020

DHCBF66 said:
ya....Haley and Irvin are 2 guys the had "character"....

They were choir boys by todays standards. If you don't like the HOFer's and all the rings they brought us, go find another team.

atlantacowboy · Feb 2, 2020

Fla Cowpoke said:
Everything was in place for Jimmy in Dallas. His coaches, his knowledge of the college players that would be entering the draft, lots of draft picks, freedom to do exactly what he wanted. It is similar to what Belichick has done in NE with Tom Brady. When Jimmy went to Miami, he completely went against his own plans and decide to try and make things fit an aging Dan Marino. THat meant different things as far as player acquisition, game planning, etc. I have no doubt that Jimmy could have gone to any other NFL team, worked his system the way he did in Dallas and built a team that was a constant challenger for the Super Bowl. Jimmy won everywhere he went, he wasn't a one hit wonder. Funny that some people seem to be suggesting that.

One correction, Jimmy didn't want Marino, but the owner wouldn't let Jimmy trade him.. So, Jimmy was stuck trying to win with his defense and whatever Marino could do at the end of his career.

Also, whatever was "in place" for Jimmy in Dallas was mostly brought there by him..........including all those coaches.

atlantacowboy · Feb 2, 2020

Bob-Lillys-War said:
So Jerrah is responsible for the worst only .

Gotcha ,... & Yes, you make a lot of sense.

You are just completely clueless. Go find a thread where you know enough to actually contribute a fact or 2.

SSoup · Feb 2, 2020

Jimmy wasn't out-scheming many people with the Dolphins. He slunk away from the game after a pathetic 7-62 loss in which nobody from the opposing team was bewildered by his schemes.

Jimmy just wasn't built to last at the pro level.

The people who act like our early '90s dynasty was robbed of another half a decade of dominance because we lost him willfully ignore that he himself wasn't anything special as a coach or as a personnel man during those years anyway. We just would've watched him deteriorate and struggle and flail like the rest of the relics of our early '90s team did.

He'd have been better than Switzer, sure. But he wasn't good enough to stop the rising tide of other teams. The Packers and the Falcons and the Vikings and the Rams? Those teams still rise up in the late '90s while Jimmy looks on from our sideline if he stayed here. Just like Jimmy's Dolphins teams watched helplessly as other AFC teams rose up.

Jimmy left the Dolphins with the same lukewarm 9-7 caliber team he was handed there four years previously. Whatever he used to have, he lost it. He made no appreciable mark there. He was unable to anymore.

zerofill · Feb 2, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
Okay Jerry. Jimmy just laid out for you what to look for in players.

1. Intelligence - Jimmy wanted smart players
2. Playmakers - Jimmy didn't care about about how many tackles a guy made. He wanted guys who made plays and impacted the game . Strips, INTS, TDs ect
3. Gym Rat. He wanted guys who lived and breathed football and loved competing. He wanted passionate hard workers.
4. Character - "because you can't win with bums".

Man... Jerry taught him all of that... where were you? :lmao:

zerofill · Feb 2, 2020

I know the old videos of Jimmy at practice... he was intense and expected 110%.

Clappy, just wanted to be your friend.

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