Jimmy Johnson to this day could out-scheme any offense

BHendri5 · Feb 2, 2020

GMO415 said:
Listen to our Coach. Even Belichick says Jimmy's secondary scheme could bewilder today's offense.

Jerry should be ashamed that he let this brain trust out his building.

No, he couldn’t

cowboyed · Feb 3, 2020

Bob-Lillys-War said:
Jimmy could not out scheme any offense today .

No .

Exactly.

Zekeats · Feb 3, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
Troy Aikman confirmed as the HOF presenter. Great video.

Jimmy shoulda asked Jerry to present him.

atlantacowboy · Feb 3, 2020

Zekeats said:
Jimmy shoulda asked Jerry to present him.

He probably preferred someone who can speak clearly and not interject his own accomplishments into the speech. Its going to be interesting to see if Jerry shows up. You know he doesn't want to ......but Stephen and the PR guy might have to twist his arm.

cml750 · Feb 3, 2020

tyke1doe said:
Jimmy Johnson was like Chris Pines' Captain Kirk. Calculated recklessness that dumbfounded friends and foes alike but had both marveling when he and his team succeeded.
He planted success and then was so unpredictable that it stunned folks. And it was hilarious too.
Like Johnson calling the radio station promising a win in the NFC Championship. Seifert and Jerry Rice were so taken aback they didn't know what to do. Well, Rice knew what to do - start a fight at the beginning of the game. The normally level-headed Rice wanting to fight. Seifert was so speechless he had to muster the right words to respond, then latter had to concede Jimmy's brass ones. Jimmy played them like fiddles.

Or when the Cowboys shocked the Giants in a blow out and the Giants wanted to whine about Dallas running up the score. Johnson said he never complained when teams were beating up on the Cowboys, other teams shouldn't be complaining now. If you don't want the score run up, stop us from scoring.

I remember the 91 game against the undefeated Skins when the Cowboys just let it all hang out with onside kicks, Hail Marys and defeated Washington 24-21. I remember John Madden saying it was the best coach game he had ever seen.

And then our special teams were better than any I have seen on a Cowboys team. Block punts for touchdowns, punt returns for touchdowns, kickoff returns for touchdowns.

The Johnson teams played with confidence and an aura that they couldn't be beat because they were talented, disciplined and well-prepared. And that came from the COACH. Don't tell me coaching has nothing to do with winning or plays an insignificant part in winning.

I had zero doubts we were going to win Super Bowls 27 and 28.

Man, I truly miss those days.

TheSkaven · Feb 3, 2020

GMO415 said:
Listen to our Coach. Even Belichick says Jimmy's secondary scheme could bewilder today's offense.

Jerry should be ashamed that he let this brain trust out his building.

I love Jimmy Johnson, I really do, but let's not turn him into a god here. He's a very good football coach, but that team was probably the most talented roster ever put together in the NFL. We know this because Switzer went on to win a Super Bowl with that team (and to the NFC Championship game the year before).

And what did Jimmy Johnson do in Miami?

That's right, he got to the playoffs and was blown out 62-7. Sixty-Two.

This site is in Spanish, but check out the comparison of numbers between the two: https://www.vamoscowboys.com/jimmy-johnson/

Did you know that Jimmy Johnson only won his division twice in nine seasons?

Let's keep it real guys.

eromeopolk · Feb 3, 2020

GMO415 said:
Listen to our Coach. Even Belichick says Jimmy's secondary scheme could bewilder today's offense.

Jerry should be ashamed that he let this brain trust out his building.

If Jerry Jones would have stayed out of Jimmy Johnson's way and not fire him out of spite and jealousy; The Cowboys would be the Patriots and the Patriots would be the Bills. Just think under Jimmy Johnson that Charles Haley would have been replaced by Jason Taylor, Ken Norton replaced by Zach Thomas, Larry Brown replaced by Sam Madison, and Kevin Smith by Patrick Surtain. Cap money would not have been wasted on Deion Sanders and Randy Moss would have been a Cowboys (see player traits by Jimmy Johnson).

I hope I never meet Jerry Jones unless he has a check for me.

InTheZone · Feb 3, 2020

Yes he did great for a time in Dallas, but I have to question what happened in the 62-7 loss...

xwalker · Feb 3, 2020

Parcells4Life said:
So what happened with him for the Dolphins? I forget if he had personnel control. He had an aging Marino. But his final game was a 63-7 or something like that loss to Jacksonville.

The owner refused to let Jimmy dump Marino.

Marino had power over the locker-room.

Jimmy's style required Jimmy to be the unrivaled leader over the players.

Once the owner balked, Jimmy stepped back to let his buddy Dave Wannstedt take over and eventually become the new Head Coach.

Jerry never interfered with Jimmy. The Dolphins owner did interfere. Ironic...

What if Jerry had said Herschel Walker was "untouchable" like the Dolphins owner did with Mario?

At that point Marino was 2019 Jason Witten...previously great player but hanging on well past his time.

Kaiser · Feb 3, 2020

xwalker said:
What if Jerry had said Herschel Walker was "untouchable" like the Dolphins owner did with Mario?

The funniest thing I've read in a while is the post in this thread saying the Herschel Walker trade was all Jimmy and that Jerry had nothing to do with it.

gimmesix · Feb 3, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
Not to side rail this thread, but you know Jimmy had already decided to leave before all that went down...right?

Most seem to ignore that. Jimmy had accomplished what he wanted to accomplish and was ready to move on to the next challenge.

atlantacowboy · Feb 3, 2020

InTheZone said:
Yes he did great for a time in Dallas, but I have to question what happened in the 62-7 loss...

Yes, lets go back and zing every HOF coach on their worst game and let that define them........forget the back to back Super Bowl wins. I think Landry lost to the Bears 44-0 in the 80's. Get him out!

xwalker · Feb 3, 2020

Kaiser said:
The funniest thing I've read in a while is the post in this thread saying the Herschel Walker trade was all Jimmy and that Jerry had nothing to do with it.

Jerry business genius made everything possible.

Jimmy could not have won Super Bowls with Bum Bright as the owner and the team losing 10M per year which was the case when Jerry bought it.

Jerry struggled to pay the bills in the early days. He was not a Billionaire like Paul Allen that could spend whatever was required. Jerry had to make the team profitable.

What Jerry accomplished from the business side rivaled what Jimmy did with the football operations.

The problem was that fans/media only see the football side and Jerry didn't get "credit" for his accomplishments.

After already having had to receive all the criticism for firing Landry, Jerry "needed" credit but didn't get it.

Kaiser · Feb 3, 2020

xwalker said:
What Jerry accomplished from the business side rivaled what Jimmy did with the football operations.

And the same fans now saying it was all Jimmy were the ones back then saying the business moves were destroying the game. Jerry invented things like Stadium naming rights and took a lot of criticism for it. Those things are standard for every sport now and brought in the revenue to build the dynasty teams.

Jerry has plenty of faults in ego and micromanaging, but fans need to realize the net is positive.

atlantacowboy · Feb 3, 2020

Kaiser said:
And the same fans now saying it was all Jimmy were the ones back then saying the business moves were destroying the game. Jerry invented things like Stadium naming rights and took a lot of criticism for it. Those things are standard for every sport now and brought in the revenue to build the dynasty teams.

Jerry has plenty of faults in ego and micromanaging, but fans need to realize the net is positive.

And what exactly has "naming rights" done for the fans? Jerry is in the HOF for what he did to enrich others, fans not included. There is football and then there is the business of football and they are completely different conversations. Jerry is in the HOF for what did for the NFL as a businessman. He's not in there with a dual GM/Owner title. He was elected strictly as an owner. Nobody is arguing that Jimmy had anything to do with Jerry's accomplishments as a businessman. Though, it could be argued that building a winner paved the way for Jerry's success and influence.

Ranched · Feb 3, 2020

TheSkaven said:
but that team was probably the most talented roster ever put together in the NFL. We know this because Switzer went on to win a Super Bowl with that team (and to the NFC Championship game the year before).And what did Jimmy Johnson do in Miami? Let's keep it real guys.

Do you honestly think that team was just handed to him like that?! Johnson had an ability to find talent in the draft, make savvy trades (namely, the trade of Walker which yielded six high draft picks and a number of players from the Vikings), and by signing quality players such as Novacek as free agents in the age before the NFL had imposed a salary cap.

He was also the first HC to win both college & nfl championships. Never ceases to amaze me how some fans have to dig for negativity to prove their point. As far as Miami, how many NFL HC's won Championships with two different teams? But yet you had to toss that disrespectful comment in there.

YES, Switzer won w/Jimmy's team. This is why Jimmy has been inducted into the HOF. And that's keeping it real.

Kaiser · Feb 3, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
And what exactly has "naming rights" done for the fans? Jerry is in the HOF for what he did to enrich others, fans not included.

"Naming Rights" was exchanged for something called "Money". More of that "money" thing was used to pay "Players" in what is called a "Contract". In the Dynasty years Dallas gave more "Money" to players than other teams and gave "Starter" money to "Backup" players so the team would be "Better".

Hope that helps.

Kaiser · Feb 3, 2020

daboyzruleperiod said:
Do you honestly think that team was just handed to him like that?! Johnson had an ability to find talent in the draft, make savvy trades (namely, the trade of Walker which yielded six high draft picks and a number of players from the Vikings), and by signing quality players such as Novacek as free agents in the age before the NFL had imposed a salary cap.

Jimmy had a distinct advantage in his early drafts because he was drafting players that either played for his Miami team or had played against his Miami team after he tried to recruit them. As he got further from that direct experience the advantage diminished.

If you look at his drafts in Miami he used #1s on Yatil Green and Darryl Gardner, and #2s on RB JJ Johnson and Rob Konrad. That was after the advantaged of drafting his own college players was gone.

cowboyed · Feb 3, 2020

atlantacowboy said:
Yes, lets go back and zing every HOF coach on their worst game and let that define them........forget the back to back Super Bowl wins. I think Landry lost to the Bears 44-0 in the 80's. Get him out!

No just look at his body of work when he was head coach with the Miami Dolphins as well. It was good but not great and he got general management authority as well. After that 62-7 loss to the Jaguars Jimmy quit football.

McKDaddy · Feb 3, 2020

Hardline said:
Jimmy was greatly assisted by the Hershal Walker trade.

You can have all the ideas in the world but if you don't have the resources results aren't going to be the same.

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