Copycat league: Dallas needs to copy San Fran

Dallasfann · Feb 3, 2020

Jake said:
I was hoping this thread would at least mention their defense but it's offense, offense, offense around here.

The Cowboys haven't shown they can play championship caliber defense in a long time. Until that changes all the offensive tweaks in the world won't get them there.

Ironically, our defense and offensive stats mirror the Chiefs. The only difference really between the two teams is they have a MUCH better QB.

foofighters · Feb 3, 2020

CATCH17 said:
The Cowboys roster on offense is similar to San Fran's.. That Shanahan system is actually perfect for our personel.

The balance between the run and pass is what we have been trying to achieve and the way they scheme things just creates natural running lanes and the Shanahans do this with just about any team they have.

Now they have added that sweep with the WR and I would think that would be a new staple for all teams. The Debo samuel play. Dallas needs to make that play a priority in the offseason. (I think we may have done it a few times this year)

I know Jay Glazer told Jerry we needed a leader of men.. Blah blah.. But if I could have any coach in the league right now for our team it would probably be Shanahan. Zeke would probably set records in that offense.

Absolutely not. We need to find our own identity.

phildadon86 · Feb 3, 2020

CATCH17 said:
The guy is 40 years old. He’s an unbelievable coach and a couple of 2nd half’s in the Super Bowl doesn’t change that.

The biggest comeback in Super Bowl history and another comeback don’t change that? Ok

Tangle_Foot · Feb 3, 2020

Copy the 49ers? I think we are a lot closer than most think. Having the game within your grasp then letting it slip away, seems like we nailed it. I'm sure they even have fans that I think after the loss they would have been better off had they not defeated Green Bay and lost draft position :laugh:

CATCH17 · Feb 3, 2020

foofighters said:
Absolutely not. We need to find our own identity.

Its obvious what this team needs to be if you look at the personnel.

visionary · Feb 3, 2020

The reality is that there are different ways to build a team. KC did what they did because they have Mahomes. If we follow them we will be in a world of hurt because Dak has a tough time deciphering defences quickly let alone actually getting the ball to the playmakers accurately

If Dak is our QB we will have to build our team like the Niners and hope we get lucky. Better surround Dak with a lot of talent, a great great run game and a truly great defense if we want a chance at winning a SB

CATCH17 · Feb 3, 2020

phildadon86 said:
The biggest comeback in Super Bowl history and another comeback don’t change that? Ok

Nope.. Great young coach.

JoeKing · Feb 3, 2020

The Cowboys already copy cat what the 49ers do when they throw the ball when they should be running the ball. They throw away a game they should have won by doing this.

CATCH17 · Feb 3, 2020

visionary said:
If Dak is our QB we will have to build our team like the Niners and hope we get lucky. Better surround Dak with a lot of talent, a great great run game and a truly great defense if we want a chance at winning a SB

Someone gets it..

People are actually in here saying not to copy their style because they blew a lead, lol.

Newsflash.. We don't have Mahomes or an elite QB for that matter. We have to play that brand of football and nobody does it better then they do.

Manwiththeplan · Feb 3, 2020

CATCH17 said:
The Cowboys roster on offense is similar to San Fran's.. That Shanahan system is actually perfect for our personel.

The balance between the run and pass is what we have been trying to achieve and the way they scheme things just creates natural running lanes and the Shanahans do this with just about any team they have.

Now they have added that sweep with the WR and I would think that would be a new staple for all teams. The Debo samuel play. Dallas needs to make that play a priority in the offseason. (I think we may have done it a few times this year)

I know Jay Glazer told Jerry we needed a leader of men.. Blah blah.. But if I could have any coach in the league right now for our team it would probably be Shanahan. Zeke would probably set records in that offense.

Yea, if I could have any coach it would be Shanahan

Manwiththeplan · Feb 3, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Someone gets it..

People are actually in here saying not to copy their style because they blew a lead, lol.

Newsflash.. We don't have Mahomes or an elite QB for that matter. We have to play that brand of football and nobody does it better then they do.

Fans really don’t understand how tough it is to get to a Super Bowl, let alone win it. Yesterday was a great cherry on top of the cake for Andy Reid, but he’s not suddenly a better coach today than he was this time yesterday. He routinely does things like 90% right, and the only difference is this time he had a 4 week stretch where things broke his way.

And before anyone chimes in saying good teams create their own luck, no they don’t. Good teams put themselves in position to mitigate bad luck, which is something we have not done.

charron · Feb 3, 2020

I like how Kyle typically runs the ball. His run scheme is very good. But so was ours during Zeke's 1st 3 years.

Proof · Feb 3, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Nope.. Great young coach.

he is. and for now he'll be known for folding under pressure. unfortunate for him, and hopefully it doesn't hang over his head too long, because he's pretty great.

foofighters · Feb 3, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Its obvious what this team needs to be if you look at the personnel.

If it's that obvious to you, then why aren't you doing it then? Seriously, where's your resume with your coaching achievements? I'd like to see it.

Rockport · Feb 3, 2020

visionary said:
The reality is that there are different ways to build a team. KC did what they did because they have Mahomes. If we follow them we will be in a world of hurt because Dak has a tough time deciphering defences quickly let alone actually getting the ball to the playmakers accurately

If Dak is our QB we will have to build our team like the Niners and hope we get lucky. Better surround Dak with a lot of talent, a great great run game and a truly great defense if we want a chance at winning a SB

dwmyers · Feb 3, 2020

Dallasfann said:
Ironically, our defense and offensive stats mirror the Chiefs. The only difference really between the two teams is they have a MUCH better QB.

This is an interesting comment, and I thought I'd try some comparisons.

Code:

NAME   W  L  T    SRS    MOV    SOS   OSRS   OMOV   OSOS   DSRS   DMOV   DSOS
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
KC    12  4  0   9.14   8.94   0.20   5.48   5.48   0.00   3.54   3.46   0.09
DAL    8  8  0   5.29   7.06  -1.77   2.58   4.42  -1.84   2.64   2.64   0.00

The teams are comparable on defense, within 1 point of each other in DSRS, but KC is three points better in OSRS (OSRS is a defense adjusted points scored per game stat).

Code:

Rank  Team    Median  GP   W   L   T  Pct   Pred   SRS    MOV   SOS
------------------------------------------------------------------------
6     KC       7.0    16  12   4   0  75.0  73.2   9.14   8.94  0.20
14    DAL      3.0    16   8   8   0  50.0  68.9   5.29   7.06 -1.77

This is the more telling set of data. Pythagorean expectation is that a team that scored like Dallas should have won close to 70% of its games, and instead won 50% of this game. This delta is almost a record in the modern era for underperformance. Not necessarily my own observation, as Aaron Schatz saw it with DVOA expectations as well and reported it on twitter.

D-

kskboys · Feb 3, 2020

CATCH17 said:
The Cowboys roster on offense is similar to San Fran's.. That Shanahan system is actually perfect for our personel.

The balance between the run and pass is what we have been trying to achieve and the way they scheme things just creates natural running lanes and the Shanahans do this with just about any team they have.

Now they have added that sweep with the WR and I would think that would be a new staple for all teams. The Debo samuel play. Dallas needs to make that play a priority in the offseason. (I think we may have done it a few times this year)

I know Jay Glazer told Jerry we needed a leader of men.. Blah blah.. But if I could have any coach in the league right now for our team it would probably be Shanahan. Zeke would probably set records in that offense.

OK, but the flipside of that is that you MUST have a good D w/ a concentration on the DLine, or that O doesn't work.

kskboys · Feb 3, 2020

cowboy_ron said:
On how to lose a super bowl?.........I would rather copy the team that just won it.

There's only 1 best QB in the NFL, and he's taken.

Sydla · Feb 3, 2020

The one thing I noticed that caught my eye was just how good the San Fran front four was.

They have invested a lot in that front.

Buckner - 1st
Bosa - 1st
Thomas - 1st
Armstead - 1st
Ford - FA (but was a first round pick)

Three of those guys were Top 10 picks too.

John813 · Feb 3, 2020

dwmyers said:
This is an interesting comment, and I thought I'd try some comparisons.

Code:

NAME W L T SRS MOV SOS OSRS OMOV OSOS DSRS DMOV DSOS ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- KC 12 4 0 9.14 8.94 0.20 5.48 5.48 0.00 3.54 3.46 0.09 DAL 8 8 0 5.29 7.06 -1.77 2.58 4.42 -1.84 2.64 2.64 0.00

The teams are comparable on defense, within 1 point of each other in DSRS, but KC is three points better in OSRS (OSRS is a defense adjusted points scored per game stat).

Code:

Rank Team Median GP W L T Pct Pred SRS MOV SOS ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 6 KC 7.0 16 12 4 0 75.0 73.2 9.14 8.94 0.20 14 DAL 3.0 16 8 8 0 50.0 68.9 5.29 7.06 -1.77

This is the more telling set of data. Pythagorean expectation is that a team that scored like Dallas should have won close to 70% of its games, and instead won 50% of this game. This delta is almost a record in the modern era for underperformance. Not necessarily my own observation, as Aaron Schatz saw it with DVOA expectations as well and reported it on twitter.

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Could you add what the abbreviations mean? Seen them before but not often enough to recall what each one stands for.

Thanks.

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